Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Well Skinny dont forget this news of Taylor comes just 2 days after the release of M Washington. The Redskins are expected to save in the ballpark of $4 million following the release of SLB Marcus Washington on Friday. Now we know why.

As GMScud said Springs is next. Not sure of what his cap savings is. Maybe Daniels as well.

With releasing Marcus we're still at 4 million over the cap. I don't know how much we'll save by cutting Springs but is that necessarily a good thing? If Springs is cut and we aren't able to sign Hall we'll just have Rogers as CB.

Also if we sign Hall how much space would we really have available after that?

Releasing Springs may sound like a solution to the cap space but I'm not sure I'm all gung ho for it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

With releasing Marcus we're still at 4 million over the cap. I don't know how much we'll save by cutting Springs but is that necessarily a good thing? If Springs is cut and we aren't able to sign Hall we'll just have Rogers as CB.

Also if we sign Hall how much space would we really have available after that?

Releasing Springs may sound like a solution to the cap space but I'm not sure I'm all gung ho for it.

No, we're 3.3 million under the cap after releasing Marcus.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No, we're 3.3 million under the cap after releasing Marcus.

Does that include Daniels savings.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No, we're 3.3 million under the cap after releasing Marcus.

My bad ...disregard then. I thought I caught an article that said we we're still over by 4M.

Thanks for the heads up.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

With releasing Marcus we're still at 4 million over the cap. I don't know how much we'll save by cutting Springs but is that necessarily a good thing? If Springs is cut and we aren't able to sign Hall we'll just have Rogers as CB.

Also if we sign Hall how much space would we really have available after that?

Releasing Springs may sound like a solution to the cap space but I'm not sure I'm all gung ho for it.

Brother, we better get Hall. I wish we would have got that deal done before the 27th and been done with it, we would have a clearer picture of our cap and what we should do with Springs.

I'm still waiting to get SmootSmacks input on this situation to get his POV of how and who plays what positions if we indeed put JT in RDE. and everyone else stays.

If we dont sign Hall well theres some extra $ and in that case we better hope Rogers learned how to catch a ball and has no hard feelings. And we did'nt cut Springs. Maybe Smoot makes a comeback

As far as cap goes, I think we will have a little room but not much. I'll leave that to Schneed10

Hall is complicating things a bit. Its possible we may get burnt in the end. Hope not.

[Hamoskinz]

Its great you guys are confident/hoping JT will have a great year in the B'n'G uniform. I am ticked off at what we gave up to get him and what we got instead. In between the picks we gave up and the money we gave him for the production we got, he needs to play every game like that Eagles game to see us getting any benefit from the trade.

I am hoping that with his leg being 100%, he will finally get to beat RTs on a regular basis cause i am sick of watching him getting stood up @ the line, can't push and no speed to rush the outside.

Sorry mates, I'm trying to let out some steam over this JT debacle and how we managed to give away our 2nd pick which could've addressed one of our glaring needs.

[DirtyLandry]

[quote=Hamoskinz;528923]

Its great you guys are confident/hoping JT will have a great year in the B'n'G uniform. I am ticked off at what we gave up to get him and what we got instead.

So by your standards, a player should get one year to prove himself to a franchise, despite injury.

In between the picks we gave up and the money we gave him for the production we got, he needs to play every game like that Eagles game to see us getting any benefit from the trade.

Your basically saying that Taylor needs to have 32 sacks next season to justify the picks and the money. Okay.

I am hoping that with his leg being 100%, he will finally get to beat RTs on a regular basis cause i am sick of watching him getting stood up @ the line, can't push and no speed to rush the outside.

I guess your being slightly optomistic, even though everyone else is confident/hoping that he will have a good year.

[Nflnick11]

wow im pissed, one change and were still keeping and relying on the old vets thinking that their gonna give us a year like when they were in their 6th year or something...Taylor needs to take a pay cut or be cut!

[53Fan]

I hope JT has a good year because I'm a Redskin fan and to do otherwise would be counter-productive.......but 8mil is B.S.

[Schneed10]

I think back to the Eagles game late in the season when the guy had two sacks, one of which forced a fumble which London Fletcher recovered and led to a touchdown. That was a flash of what he can do for us when healthy.

I would have liked to see the cap number come down, but I'm pretty excited to see what he can do for us when healthy.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Here's the key phrase in the article: "We're not doing anything with Jason," Washington vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. "He's going to be with us and that's it. That's the plan."

That's the plan, gives VC an out with regards to any changes with JT. Keep in mind this is the same VC who told the media flat out that the Skins were not speaking to Miami regarding JT. It's just posturing at this point. Right now we have to assume that we get no help at OLB or at DE from FA or the draft. If that's the case then JT will have to fill a role for us at either postion. I don't believe Carter will be moved from RDE, JT will either play LDE on passing downs with Evans in on run plays. Or Blache may attempt to see if JT can be used at OLB.

If we get some help at LB or DE in FA or the draft then all bets are off and if we're in a position where we need JT's 8M in cap space, he'll be gone.

[Ruhskins]

Alright, here's another source of this story. I was beginning to wonder if this was just speculation.

Jason Taylor's Agent Says Defensive End Will Return to Washington Redskins for 2009 Season - washingtonpost.com

My question for the salary cap gurus, if we had restructured Jason Taylor's contract, what would that have meant? Would that have meant extended his contract so we owe money to Taylor beyond the 2009 season? If so, then wouldn't we just want to be over and done with at the end of 2009? I mean, we're in this cap hell b/c we keep restructuring the contracts of aging players, so as much as bringing JT back for his full salary pisses you off, just be glad that this won't affect our salary cap beyond 2009 (yeah I know there's the whole issue with the CBA and stuff, but that hasn't been figured out).

Finally, JT said he would play two years and he's honoring that promise. Good for him, in a time when we see players not honoring their contracts (CJ, Boldin, etc., etc.) Taylor has decided to honor his. I think (and hope) that he sees this year as his redemption year. He'll be healthy, he's not dancing with the stars, and hopefully Blache will use him better.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Alright, here's another source of this story. I was beginning to wonder if this was just speculation.

Jason Taylor's Agent Says Defensive End Will Return to Washington Redskins for 2009 Season - washingtonpost.com

My question for the salary cap gurus, if we had restructured Jason Taylor's contract, what would that have meant? Would that have meant extended his contract so we owe money to Taylor beyond the 2009 season? If so, then wouldn't we just want to be over and done with at the end of 2009? I mean, we're in this cap hell b/c we keep restructuring the contracts of aging players, so as much as bringing JT back for his full salary pisses you off, just be glad that this won't affect our salary cap beyond 2009 (yeah I know there's the whole issue with the CBA and stuff, but that hasn't been figured out).

Finally, JT said he would play two years and he's honoring that promise. Good for him, in a time when we see players not honoring their contracts (CJ, Boldin, etc., etc.) Taylor has decided to honor his. I think (and hope) that he sees this year as his redemption year. He'll be healthy, he's not dancing with the stars, and hopefully Blache will use him better.

According to the article JT didn't fit Blaches scheme last year which is stop the run first and they're looking at ways to free him up this year. I certainly hope they do, or why would you sign a pass rushing DE for 8.5 mil to play in a defense geared to stop the run which is something he's not that good at?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

According to the article JT didn't fit Blaches scheme last year which is stop the run first and they're looking at ways to free him up this year. I certainly hope they do, or why would you sign a pass rushing DE for 8.5 mil to play in a defense geared to stop the run which is something he's not that good at?

Like the article says Taylor gets down to about 240 lbs during the season... that's downright scrawny for a LDE. I think the conventional wisdom is Taylor has to play RDE to be at his very best and if we don't slide him in there then his talent/ability is somewhat wasted.

[MTK]

If we do indeed bring him back it's a complete waste of time unless we turn him loose and let him do what he does best.