Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Anyone is a better pick than Fassel to some people. The Fassel hate doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is.

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Coff

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

Meeks was a Redskin and Snyder made special mention to him at SuperBowl, he could be the sleeper pick. Tony Dungy does not run a loose ship and we know we'll get the work ethic with Meeks. Fassel may be too much of a circus show around here.......

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Coff

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.

[Beemnseven]

I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.

I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I would like to believe that Snyder is beyond making moves along those lines.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.

People are making a lot of assumptions that Cowher would want the Redskins job.. If the Panthers job is open next year, which it probably will be outside of a NFC Championship Game run, that's his first choice. Richardson can match Snyder $$ for $$ for a salary and it's closer to home.

Also, Cowher is a Scottenheimer disciple and a close personal friend of his. After seeing what Marty went thru while he was here what makes you think he'll be in a rush to be here.

Not to mention with Cerrato's new title, Cowher is only going somewhere with total control so Snyder would have to demote/fire Vinny. Do you see that happening?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

People are making a lot of assumptions that Cowher would want the Redskins job.. If the Panthers job is open next year, which it probably will be outside of a NFC Championship Game run, that's his first choice. Richardson can match Snyder $$ for $$ for a salary and it's closer to home.

Also, Cowher is a Scottenheimer disciple and a close personal friend of his. After seeing what Marty went thru while he was here what makes you think he'll be in a rush to be here.

Not to mention with Cerrato's new title, Cowher is only going somewhere with total control so Snyder would have to demote/fire Vinny. Do you see that happening?

Well, Snyder stood by while Schottenheimer fired Vinny back in '01. It's not like it's never happened. There's a small part of me that believes Snyder has basically said this is put up or shut up time for Vinny. Give him the appropriate titles, let him call (almost) all the shots, and if things don't turn around, Snyder has his scapegoat.

We all have a price. So does Cowher. Snyder has enough money to lure him here with or without complete control. There just aren't too many owners who are willing to get into a bidding war with Lil' Danny. If Danny wants him, Danny gets him unless Bill Cowher is absolutely repulsed by the idea of working for him.

Certainly it's not a foregone conclusion that this is where Cowher is headed. For the record, I'm not one of his biggest fans.

[hooskins]

Unless there really a fool proof way to make sure Spag is the real deal, I want Fassel. I know it's been mentioned before but the Giants have a really good set of defense players that can make most coaches look good.

One good thing about Spags is that he pretty much turned the secondary of the Giants around right before playoffs. They were getting torched earlier this year, and because their lineup really hasn't changed you have to give Spags props for that one.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.

There's always that chance but I don't think Fassel has done enough to earn another head coaching job.
He isn't a good coordinator, He took team to the superbowl but he then lost that same team a few years later.

I would risk getting the next spurrier if it means we might get the next jimmy johnson instead of knowing your coach is limited to mediocre success.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Coff

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything. Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything. Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.

As you point out plenty of quality coaches have been fired before. That argument really doesn't hold up with me either.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

The guy you were responding to did not say that Spagnuolo "doesn't have the potential to be the greatest ever." In fact, he was saying that the sheer chance that Spanguolo could be such a coach made him a more exciting choice for HC than a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs (the second being a coordinator job). He then qualified his comment about Spagnuolo's potential by saying that his thoughts might be "illogical," a qualification I'm guessing he thought necessary lest he get slammed by you and others for suggesting that Spanguolo had such potential.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

The guy you were responding to did not say that Spagnuolo "doesn't have the potential to be the greatest ever." In fact, he was saying that the sheer chance that Spanguolo could be such a coach made him a more exciting choice for HC than a guy who has been fired from his last two jobs (the second being a coordinator job). He then qualified his comment about Spagnuolo's potential by saying that his thoughts might be "illogical," a qualification I'm guessing he thought necessary lest he get slammed by you and others for suggesting that Spanguolo had such potential.

I think you completely misread my post

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Coff

A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely because he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

Plus he lost to the Ravens in the SB with Trent Dilfer at the helm 34-7.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Plus he lost to the Ravens in the SB with Trent Dilfer at the helm 34-7.

Fassel isn't to blame for that loss. There was nothing any coach could've done. Balt. just had a dominating defense that year.