Lance Briggs - Potential Free Agent

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You are already over next seasons cap by 23 million and don't have a head coach,you have other problems.

The cap won't be an issue as we've covered many times lately in other threads.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The cap won't be an issue as we've covered many times lately in other threads.

I think you might have to re -vist the cap again.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I think you might have to re -vist the cap again.

Man, we hear about our impending salary cap doom each year...yet each year we go out and sign our main targets...what don't people understand? So long as Synder is the owner, we can continue to push payments back into perpetuity...it will take fundamental monetary change (likely regime) to change this...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I think you might have to re -vist the cap again.

Cash trumps cap.. Re-structure deals, convert salary to bonuses.. That's the 10 second version.. I believe Schneed is the resident expert and will be glad to give you the full version..

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I think you might have to re -vist the cap again.

If you're going to be a fan of another team and be on this board, at least be capable of having knowledgeable discussion. Otherwise, you bring no value to us and should just go away.

You know nothing of the salary cap. Read up:

I'm going to list the ways to get the cap number down. You can debate the merit of making certain moves on this list, but if we don't cut a certain player, you can bet we'd restructure them, which would also save some money.

Expected Roster Cuts:
Phillip Daniels - $3.0 million saved
Mark Brunell - $3.4 million saved
Total Savings for Cuts: $6.4 million

Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Base Salary, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:
Randy Thomas - $4.3 million saved
Clinton Portis - $3.8 million saved
Jon Jansen - $3.7 million saved
Chris Samuels - $3.4 million saved
Cornelius Griffin - $2.8 million saved
Santana Moss - $2.4 million saved
Casey Rabach - $1.8 million saved
Total Salary Restructure Savings: $22.2 million

Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Roster Bonuses, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:
Ladell Betts - $1.7 million saved
Clinton Portis - $0.4 million saved
Andre Carter - $1.9 million saved
Antwaan Randle-El - $1.2 million saved
Total Bonus Restructure Savings: $5.2 million

So I see ways to reduce our 2008 cap number by about $34 million. So do I think armageddon is coming next year? NO.

But I wouldn't go making ALL of the moves I listed above, either. We're starting to push a little too much into the future. And if we get rid of Brandon Lloyd, that move will eat up some more space.

Bottom line, we won't have to dismantle the team, but we won't have lots of flexibility, either. We'll need to draft very well.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you're going to be a fan of another team and be on this board, at least be capable of having knowledgeable discussion. Otherwise, you bring no value to us and should just go away.

You know nothing of the salary cap. Read up:

Great.......so according to you your going to have $11.8 million to sign everyone you draft and free agents,ok. I don't think it can be done but hey I'm only a guy on a message board.............like you.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Great.......so according to you your going to have $11.8 million to sign everyone you draft and free agents,ok. I don't think it can be done but hey I'm only a guy on a message board.............like you.

To give Schneed and CrazyCanuck some credit, they are actually about as well-versed in the salary cap as actual team officials and if they are wrong it's by about .1 million.

They've talked of the Skins cap hell for years and it has never come to fruition. It's all about smart restructuring every year and basically this leaves the Skins ample room to target at least one good FA.

Sure, this approach doesn't allow cutting busts, but it definitely gives plenty of wiggle room when it comes to FA.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Great.......so according to you your going to have $11.8 million to sign everyone you draft and free agents,ok. I don't think it can be done but hey I'm only a guy on a message board.............like you.

The cap isn't rocket science, it's simple math. You can crunch the numbers yourself. Schneed laid everything out there quite nicely. Dispute his numbers if you don't agree.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The cap isn't rocket science, it's simple math. You can crunch the numbers yourself. Schneed laid everything out there quite nicely. Dispute his numbers if you don't agree.

I understand ,in his example you're savings is around 11-12 million, ok I understand that but you're telling me you will sign all the people you need for just ...12 million......,that is what I don't understand?


P.S............all the numbers are on the assumption that these players restructure their contracts,why would they now when the coachs they love playing for are gone.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand ,in his example you're savings is around 11-12 million, ok I understand that but you're telling me you will sign all the people you need for just ...12 million......,that is what I don't understand?

Depends on how aggressive they want to be. $12M certainly isn't a bad place to start. With the heavily backloaded contracts Snyder hands out you don't need much up front to sign some deals.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand ,in his example you're savings is around 11-12 million, ok I understand that but you're telling me you will sign all the people you need for just ...12 million......,that is what I don't understand?


P.S............all the numbers are on the assumption that these players restructure their contracts,why would they now when the coachs they love playing for are gone.

A simple restructure puts money in the players' pocket today vs. in the future. Why would a player say no to that?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand ,in his example you're savings is around 11-12 million, ok I understand that but you're telling me you will sign all the people you need for just ...12 million......,that is what I don't understand?


P.S............all the numbers are on the assumption that these players restructure their contracts,why would they now when the coachs they love playing for are gone.

Scheed's contract numbers are based in the assumption that we will do everything possible to free up as much space as we need for one last run.

Hiring a new HC this year, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since we would be pushing 15 million dead cap dollars into the next season.

Likely we will have 5-6 million to work with and sign picks and what not. A big splash signing is highly unlikely, but we could get some help at the cornerback or offensive line with that money.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Great.......so according to you your going to have $11.8 million to sign everyone you draft and free agents,ok. I don't think it can be done but hey I'm only a guy on a message board.............like you.

You're a guy on the message board who doesn't understand accounting. I'm a guy on a message board who does, that's the difference.

First, GTripp is right, we may not make every move I listed. Which I also note that it's probably not wise to do so.

But just to give you an idea how the cap works, last year the Skins signed London Fletcher for 5 years and $25 million, of which $10.5 million came in the form of signing bonus. Last year, he counted $3.0 million on our 2007 cap. If you'd like me to explain why his cap number is seemingly so low despite the fact that he signed a deal worth $5 million per year, I will gladly do so. But them's the facts.

Last year, our rookies took up less than $3.0 million between all of them. And that included a very high pick in Landry. This year, we pick 21st and won't dole out anywhere near the bonus that Landry got.

So this year, we'll easily fit our rookies under $3.0 million. We won't need to clear every bit of space I laid out. If we need to clear more to sign a free agent or two, we can.

And just a personal note, I don't mind being questioned at all. I like to edumacate anybody who's interested in the workings of the cap. But it was a little ridiculous for you to tell us we needed to go back and revisit the cap when you clearly don't understand how signing bonuses and base salaries are allocated.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I think you might have to re -vist the cap again.

Right.

We've been hearing this same crap since 2000.

Believe me, nobody is worried about it.