This team is good.....but it's coaching that's holding it back

[skinsfaninok]

We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions

I'd be fine with:

CB
OT
QB (least favorite, as I like Howell, but doesn't matter if the coaches don't)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd be fine with:

CB
OT
QB (least favorite, as I like Howell, but doesn't matter if the coaches don't)

No CB - okie is right.
Oline - the best one idc if its C.
Oline again.
ILB
2 and 3 can be interchangeable depending on who is available where.
I don’t think the coaches dont like Howell.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions

Agreed.

[Chico23231]

Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.

Bates should be the starting TE now. Go 3-wide with Bates at TE, and pound the fucking football, then use that to set-up quick play-action passes and the short passing game in general. All 3 of those WRs are great with the ball in their hands, give it to them, and let them eat.

Then mix in the occasional long-ball.

I really wish Heinicke knew how to run a read-option. That would be a huge weapon, and something that he should be good at, but he's not.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.

Agreed.

So if we cant call traditional 5 to 7 step drops bc of O line and QB ... why not call all those screens/bubbles/gimmick plays to get the ball in playmakers hands in space? We did that last year.

Call 5 slants to Terry a game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Agreed.

So if we cant call traditional 5 to 7 step drops bc of O line and QB ... why not call all those screens/bubbles/gimmick plays to get the ball in playmakers hands in space? We did that last year.

Call 5 slants to Terry a game.

McKissic was the X factor it sucks he is done. He was the best option for quick screens.

But yes we still got three guys who could do that and they should but Turner is a dipshit who won’t cater to what he has. He just keeps trying to run his version of a good offense regardless. I hate Turner.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

McKissic was the X factor it sucks he is done. He was the best option for quick screens.

But yes we still got three guys who could do that and they should but Turner is a dipshit who won’t cater to what he has. He just keeps trying to run his version of a good offense regardless. I hate Turner.

Curtis Samuel was juking people left and right at the beginning of the season, I don't know how you don't use him in slants, screens, and intermediate passes.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Curtis Samuel was juking people left and right at the beginning of the season, I don't know how you don't use him in slants, screens, and intermediate passes.

Heinicke isn't great at getting the ball out quick, I think it's because his vision gets blocked frequently from being short. He also is seeming to want to see guys come open before throwing it, rather than relying on the timing and anticipation.

By the time Samuel gets the ball the defender has closed the gap.

[That Guy]

The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?

The issue with the coaching staff is that they calls plays like we have a good QB. If you get an actual good QB, some of your coaching issues go away. I'd still be concerned about their situational adaptability.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?

My read on the team exactly. The only quibble one could make with the defense would be turnovers, and the lack of sacks is what contributed to no turnovers. But allowing 13 points says the gameplan worked whether you got the turnovers or not - we didn't rush the passer with abandon because of the way Jones hurts you with his legs. So it ain't the defense's fault.

It all comes back to QB, it's the reason we have such a small margin for error, and it's the reason that pounding the ball 35 times is our best chance to win. We can't make max use out of our passing game weapons without a QB and a line that can hold up better.

The failures are on Ron's personnel side more so than on the coaching side. Coming into the season with Norwell and Turner at guard was terrible. They are trying on the QB side. It's hard to land one. But there's no excuse for the guards.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My read on the team exactly. The only quibble one could make with the defense would be turnovers, and the lack of sacks is what contributed to no turnovers. But allowing 13 points says the gameplan worked whether you got the turnovers or not - we didn't rush the passer with abandon because of the way Jones hurts you with his legs. So it ain't the defense's fault.

It all comes back to QB, it's the reason we have such a small margin for error, and it's the reason that pounding the ball 35 times is our best chance to win. We can't make max use out of our passing game weapons without a QB and a line that can hold up better.

The failures are on Ron's personnel side more so than on the coaching side. Coming into the season with Norwell and Turner at guard was terrible. They are trying on the QB side. It's hard to land one. But there's no excuse for the guards.

This is all true.

For the O-line, we do need better players, but a lot of it is injuries too. This is the second year in a row that we've gone through at least 2 starting centers, and used 'I think' 4 different players at that position. Both guards have been injured, right tackle...by the way where is Cosmi? Is he not good enough to be one of the best 5? That too is worrisome. And the Ereck Flowers scenario is bizarre...there must be more to the story that we don't know, because he hasn't suited up for anyone this year.

QB has to be priority #1A, and O-line has to be priority #1B. Ideally Howell turns out to be the guy, but not having seen him at all in the regular season tells me he's probably not. But if he is, that will make addressing the O-line and other position groups so much easier, financial-wise.

I hope Scott and Norv have a nice Christmas together, and they talk a lot about the last couple weeks of the season, because ST needs some coaching. I hope the conversation revolves around this principle: K I S S

[skinsfaninok]

Once again guys, if you don’t have a QB you won’t win consistently. It’s just that simple. You can have the weapons like we do but it doesn’t matter if the guy passing the ball can’t get it to them. The OL Isn’t good either so yes we definitely need to address both once again this off-season


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