Parkland Shooting

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

14 examples aren't enough huh

is there really a doubt as to what the weapon of choice is when it comes to mass shootings

Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?

The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?

The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.

I will say I rather take my chances against a butter knife then a AR 15

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I will say I rather take my chances against a butter knife then a AR 15

Who wouldn't?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?

The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.

The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.

I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.

Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.

Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.

Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?

I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.

Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.

Edit: Titus ftw

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.

I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.

Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.

Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.

Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?

I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.

Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.

I wouldn't respond except you called me out - and it's all BS.

I am not against making AR-15s or any other guns less accessible, or harder to get. It's quite clear that not everyone should own one. I'm just not for banning them completely - which is what you guys want to do.

I'm not against funding teachers. My wife is a teacher. That's just an ignorant assumption.

The one thing you said that was true is that I'll do anything except blame the gun. That is a fact. Just like I won't blame the car for running people over, or the bat for bashing someone's head in. I'll blame the person who pulled the trigger, the person who was behind the wheel, and the person who was wielding the bat - a l l d a y l o n g.


Look, we have had guns in this country for a long damn time - and way more accessible to kids than they are today.

Why do you think kids are picking them up or seeking them out and using them more today than they were in previous years?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I wouldn't respond except you called me out - and it's all BS.

I am not against making AR-15s or any other guns less accessible, or harder to get. It's quite clear that not everyone should own one. I'm just not for banning them completely - which is what you guys want to do.

I'm not against funding teachers. My wife is a teacher. That's just an ignorant assumption.

The one thing you said that was true is that I'll do anything except blame the gun. That is a fact. Just like I won't blame the car for running people over, or the bat for bashing someone's head in. I'll blame the person who pulled the trigger, the person who was behind the wheel, and the person who was wielding the bat - a l l d a y l o n g.


Look, we have had guns in this country for a long damn time - and way more accessible to kids than they are today.

Why do you think kids are picking them up or seeking them out and using them more today than they were in previous years?

This is absolute dumb shit. Nobody in this forum has specifically called for banning assault rifles. Any of us would compromise for better background checks or red flag laws. But when we say that we get ignored.

Conservatives always gravitate to the liberal yelling the most extreme option. This country is going to shit.

You aren't against funding teachers - but your conservative representatives who approve budgets sure as shit don't fucking care about helping them. All their policies today are aimed at making sure they don't teach your kids liberal propaganda.

I thought this was pretty cool - with this commonly available illegal switch from China you can turn your semi-auto Glock into a fully auto Glock. Warning: cop death.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is absolute dumb shit. Nobody in this forum has specifically called for banning assault rifles. Any of us would compromise for better background checks or red flag laws. But when we say that we get ignored.

Conservatives always gravitate to the liberal yelling the most extreme option. This country is going to shit.

You aren't against funding teachers - but your conservative representatives who approve budgets sure as shit don't fucking care about helping them. All their policies today are aimed at making sure they don't teach your kids liberal propaganda.

I thought this was pretty cool - with this commonly available illegal switch from China you can turn your semi-auto Glock into a fully auto Glock. Warning: cop death.

Actually banning AR -15's is a start. Should we ban all guns ,no, should we go to house's and confiscate guns ,no. Banning the weapon of choice to most mass murders is a good start.


What I think is you handle guns like a car.

Must be 21 years old.

Before you get a license ,you take a test and renew that license every 5 years(give or take)

All guns must be registered , you want a hundred guns fine but register them

You must carry liability Insurance for your guns.

All lost or stolen guns must be reported to the Police, if not then Owner of record gets the same time as the criminal offender.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is absolute dumb shit. Nobody in this forum has specifically called for banning assault rifles. Any of us would compromise for better background checks or red flag laws. But when we say that we get ignored.

Conservatives always gravitate to the liberal yelling the most extreme option. This country is going to shit.

You aren't against funding teachers - but your conservative representatives who approve budgets sure as shit don't fucking care about helping them. All their policies today are aimed at making sure they don't teach your kids liberal propaganda.

I thought this was pretty cool - with this commonly available illegal switch from China you can turn your semi-auto Glock into a fully auto Glock. Warning: cop death.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

...Nobody needs an AR15, they do far more harm than good in society so thus should be banned...

Originally Posted by mredskins

...Obviously no guns in our country would have thrown a wrench in his plans but we are so saturated with gums now it’s nearly impossible to rid our country of guns...

Originally Posted by Giantone

...at no point does the second Amendment say you have a God given right as an American to own a assault weapon...

Originally Posted by MTK

...Is there any reason why an average person needs an AR-15?

Originally Posted by mredskins

...IMO the AR 15 falls in the too much power for the average Joe who doesn't even need it so why not eliminate it.

Regarding mredskins post:

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree with you... and used an atomic bomb as an example and while it was spun it was never answered.

Originally Posted by mredskins

So why own a AR 15 i am looking for a valid reason?

Originally Posted by Giantone

Actually banning AR -15's is a start...

Sorry Moob, but you're wrong.

The "dumb shit" is you calling me out - putting me in a bucket (you, y'all, you're people..), and then balking when I return the favor.

BTW, an AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle". Some want to label it as such, but that is not what it is.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Regarding mredskins post:





Sorry Moob, but you're wrong.

The "dumb shit" is you calling me out - putting me in a bucket (you, y'all, you're people..), and then balking when I return the favor.

BTW, an AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle". Some want to label it as such, but that is not what it is.

Which one of those clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles need complete bans? I agree - nobody needs them unless you're planning on defending large territories by force. Are they useful for home defense? Perhaps you like to carry yours slung over your shoulder when you go shopping or when you pick up your kids from school - just in case fate aligns you with a mass shooter? Or maybe you don't like being inconvenienced by an extra day when your background check is being processed. Not sure - don't really care. All I care about is this faux "we care about people's mental health" bs you and other conservatives fall back on after the latest mass shooting - only to turn around and shit on Dems who actually want to do something about it next time the budget rolls around. And if it's not you specifically, it's your preferred elected leader.

The point is any one of us would settle for a compromise that doesn't involve banning a specific type of gun. But we can't even have that because the goddamn NRA and gun manufacturers have so much extra cash to spend from their beaucoup sales to scared rednecks that they can go around buying political votes.

Armalite Rifle 15 - for those who don't follow the snarky gun club terminology nerds.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Which one of those clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles need complete bans? I agree - nobody needs them unless you're planning on defending large territories by force. Are they useful for home defense? Perhaps you like to carry yours slung over your shoulder when you go shopping or when you pick up your kids from school - just in case fate aligns you with a mass shooter? Or maybe you don't like being inconvenienced by an extra day when your background check is being processed. Not sure - don't really care. All I care about is this faux "we care about people's mental health" bs you and other conservatives fall back on after the latest mass shooting - only to turn around and shit on Dems who actually want to do something about it next time the budget rolls around. And if it's not you specifically, it's your preferred elected leader.

The point is any one of us would settle for a compromise that doesn't involve banning a specific type of gun. But we can't even have that because the goddamn NRA and gun manufacturers have so much extra cash to spend from their beaucoup sales to scared rednecks that they can go around buying political votes.

Armalite Rifle 15 - for those who don't follow the snarky gun club terminology nerds.

A few of those posts clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles should be complete banned, the others were suggestive of the same. Unlike G1 though, I am pretty sure you can read, so I won't go through them one-by-one.

LOL. No, I don't carry one around, and I don't think they are any more useful for home defense than a good hand gun.

I'm not against background checks - the more extensive the better. We shouldn't just be handing guns out to anyone.

I do care about mental health, especially of our youth. It's not BS to me.

I'm not sure I have a "preferred" elected leader these days. None of them seem to be working for us anymore. But, the Dems do have control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency - and have for over a year, so I'll be looking for them to get big things done in these two years...

I wasn't actually referring to the history of the AR-15, I was referring to the fact that the AR-15 and other AR style rifles aren't considered assault rifles, because they aren't fully automatic (i.e. they aren't a machine gun). While they look like military style weapons, they function like other semi-automatic sporting firearms, because you can only fire one round each time you pull the trigger.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.

I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.

Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.

Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.

Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?

I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.

Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.

Great Post! +1!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?

The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.

What do we have to lose by trying? Gun manufacturers make a little less money? People have to find another gun to hunt with? I guess I don't see the downside if it could potentially stop children from getting killed. Isn't that worth it?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

What do we have to lose by trying? Gun manufacturers make a little less money? People have to find another gun to hunt with? I guess I don't see the downside if it could potentially stop children from getting killed. Isn't that worth it?

I'm not against trying. I just disagree with that particular effort.

You say "people have to find another gun to hunt with?" But that is exactly what wackos will do too - find another gun to go shoot up a classroom or supermarket with, or resort to classroom bombs, supermarket pipe bombs, etc. In reality though, these assholes will still get their hands on AR-15s or whatever they want - illegally, because that's what criminals do. So now it's just the nefarious characters out there with AR-15s.

Oh, but it will make it harder for them to kill as many people.... BS. Where there's a will there's a way. You won't have less of these incidents until you (as Mooby said sarcastically) go to the source. Fix what it is that is making these jackoffs want to go out and kill people, establish measures to identify them before they do, make it harder or illegal for kids to buy a gun, have the most severe penalties for any gun-related offense (and actually follow through on them)...

Most everything is on the table for me, but I won't support a ban on a semi-automatic rifle. It's a cop-out, and it's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to start down.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not against trying. I just disagree with that particular effort.

You say "people have to find another gun to hunt with?" But that is exactly what wackos will do too - find another gun to go shoot up a classroom or supermarket with, or resort to classroom bombs, supermarket pipe bombs, etc. In reality though, these assholes will still get their hands on AR-15s or whatever they want - illegally, because that's what criminals do. So now it's just the nefarious characters out there with AR-15s.

Oh, but it will make it harder for them to kill as many people.... BS. Where there's a will there's a way. You won't have less of these incidents until you (as Mooby said sarcastically) go to the source. Fix what it is that is making these jackoffs want to go out and kill people, establish measures to identify them before they do, make it harder or illegal for kids to buy a gun, have the most severe penalties for any gun-related offense (and actually follow through on them)...

Most everything is on the table for me, but I won't support a ban on a semi-automatic rifle. It's a cop-out, and it's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to start down.

And that is the attitude will keep anything worth while from getting done.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

And that is the attitude will keep anything worth while from getting done.

What attitude is that exactly?

The one where I'm willing to do pretty much everything except for take something away from law abiding citizens?

You're such a quack man. You offer zero substance to any conversation on here. You reply with generalizations and memes...+1 to other individual's well though out posts because you can't come up with your own...I'm not even sure why you are here at all.