Ukraine mega thread

[sdskinsfan2001]

Nato, U.N., absolutely useless for us to be in. We pay all the money, our men and women do most of the dying, etc. The whole world takes advantage of us.

If we were fully energy independent, as we EASILY could be and should be, this would be a Europe problem and still should be. We give our debt to China and buy energy from Russia. We give our greatest enemies great leverage over us. I swear we're trying to lose. Weird stuff.

I guess I'm officially back to sharing political opinions. I made it 52 days without saying anything possibly argumentative. Just a little short of 365 days, but still about 45 days longer than I thought I would make it.

[Giantone]

JHC , I see the pro trump crowed ignoring their master's BS again!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...y-youd-expect/


‘Genius,’ ‘Savvy’: Trump reacts to Putin’s moves on Ukraine exactly as you’d expect


“In the last 24 hours we know Russia has said that they are recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine, and now this White House is stating that this is an ‘invasion,’ ” host Buck Sexton said. “That’s a strong word. What went wrong here? What has the current occupant of the Oval Office done that he could have done differently?”

“Well, what went wrong was a rigged election,” Trump said, once again misrepresenting the results of the 2020 presidential contest. “What went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s do — ”
Trump said “doing,” actually, but Harrington’s clip cut off a bit too early. That’s probably because of what Trump said next.

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius,’ ” Trump continued. “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force … We could use that on our southern border.”

He continued to praise Putin a bit later.

“Here’s a guy that says, you know, ‘I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent’ — he used the word ‘independent’ — ‘and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace,’ ” Trump said. “You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response.”

Harrington’s clip didn’t include all of that about how Putin’s move was “genius” and “smart” and “savvy,” something Trump said more than once. And when your press person is cutting off quotes early, that’s not an accident

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Nato, U.N., absolutely useless for us to be in. We pay all the money, our men and women do most of the dying, etc. The whole world takes advantage of us.

If we were fully energy independent, as we EASILY could be and should be, this would be a Europe problem and still should be. We give our debt to China and buy energy from Russia. We give our greatest enemies great leverage over us. I swear we're trying to lose. Weird stuff.

I guess I'm officially back to sharing political opinions. I made it 52 days without saying anything possibly argumentative. Just a little short of 365 days, but still about 45 days longer than I thought I would make it.

This is a better way for the trump sheep to understand what's happening .

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This is a better way for the trump sheep to understand what's happening.

Are you calling me a Trump sheep again? I didn't even mention Trump, let alone say something positive about him. But OK.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Are you calling me a Trump sheep again? I didn't even mention Trump, let alone say something positive about him. But OK.

LOL, did not call U a sheep(lol) .You don't mention trump , ......you just expound on his statements and ideas and policies.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, did not call U a sheep(lol) .You don't mention trump , ......you just expound on his statements and ideas and policies.

My statement I made was how I've felt long before Trump ever ran for president.

Trump has absolutely no sway on my political opinions. If it sounds like I agree with him on something it's because I've always felt that way and he happens to share a similar opinion.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

My statement I made was how I've felt long before Trump ever ran for president.

Trump has absolutely no sway on my political opinions. If it sounds like I agree with him on something it's because I've always felt that way and he happens to share a similar opinion.

You might want to think about that.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You might want to think about that.

Nah, I'm good. Not going to change my beliefs on a subject just because Trump thinks the same way about it. Or acts like he does, which is always a strong possibility with him. That goes for any politician, regardless of which side they are on. There are a million different subjects. You likely agree with many people you otherwise hate or disagree with, on at least one subject. Can't just go around changing every opinion you have based on how someone feels.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Nato, U.N., absolutely useless for us to be in. We pay all the money, our men and women do most of the dying, etc. The whole world takes advantage of us.

If we were fully energy independent, as we EASILY could be and should be, this would be a Europe problem and still should be. We give our debt to China and buy energy from Russia. We give our greatest enemies great leverage over us. I swear we're trying to lose. Weird stuff.

I guess I'm officially back to sharing political opinions. I made it 52 days without saying anything possibly argumentative. Just a little short of 365 days, but still about 45 days longer than I thought I would make it.

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

Russia provides 7% of our imported petroleum. That value to me at least seems to be in the roll of maintaining diplomatic ties and negotiations. Putting sanctions on the import would hurt them but not really impact our economy, but we know gas companies will take it upon themselves to raise the price regardless.

We should be investing in renewable and electric infrastructure but the cards are stacked against us with corporate blocking and lack of political will.

I do however disagree with Keystone. We have reneged over and over on tribal treaties, if we are going to say we are a morally superior country then we should treat our minority populations with decency and not continue to exploit them. I will acquiesce to Keystone if they decide to reroute it through the whitest communities in the midwest to contaminate their drinking water and spoil their unsacred land.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

You highlight Russia is a massive oil producer, you got to question why that industry sector was omitted in our sanctions.

Biden energy policy has been a predictable disgraceful disaster. Keystone, to fracking bans, limiting permits.

Just remember inflation and energy prices were way up before this…no one is gonna act like this Russian war is the genesis of the problem. The problems were already happening as a direct result of Biden’s policy choices. He chose this path

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You highlight Russia is a massive oil producer, you got to question why that industry sector was omitted in our sanctions.

Biden energy policy has been a predictable disgraceful disaster. Keystone, to fracking bans, limiting permits.

Just remember inflation and energy prices were way up before this…no one is gonna act like this Russian war is the genesis of the problem. The problems were already happening as a direct result of Biden’s policy choices. He chose this path

chico , do you deny that Oil was going up under trump? That there was inflation under trump?