Week 2 - the Rebound

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

100% spot on

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

Sure but fitz gets you to .500 maybe in a weak division; who cares. Being middle of the pack does nothing for future long term growth of this franchise. Have Tyler stink it up and find a great QB, then we can start rebuilding this bitch.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sure but fitz gets you to .500 maybe in a weak division; who cares. Being middle of the pack does nothing for future long term growth of this franchise. Have Tyler stink it up and find a great QB, then we can start rebuilding this bitch.

Fitz only gets us to .500? Lots of predictions had WFT winning the division and making a run in the playoffs. Fitz wasn't going to be around in five years, he's a short term solution who's a legit NFL QB. Now its rebuild this bitch? Makes no sense.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

Heinicke wasn't even a starter on his XFL team. He's a fun story and fun to watch so far. But him having sustained success and health over a full NFL season would be absolutely shocking to me.

Sucks so bad for Fitz that he got hurt on such a garbage ass play by Leno. That was embarrassing.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.

I liked the Fitzpatrick signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know Heinickeee's issue is health. But with every little opportunity we saw of him he was making plays.
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's the best we got now, let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.

[irish]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I liked the Fitzpatrick signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know Heinickeee's issue is health. But with every little opportunity we saw of him he was making plays.
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's the best we got now, let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.

Well he was impressive enough to play 16 years in the NFL. With the way QBs come and go it says a lot that he was able to stick around for 16 years.

I would say talent was the issue in addition to his health. He wasn't a starter on his XFL team but maybe his XFL team was loaded at QB. I did feel a spark watching him but a spark is just that, a spark. They shine bright for a few seconds but in the long run they fizzle out.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Count me in the camp of not being a big fan of Heinicke. Limited arm and history says he will get hurt sooner rather than later. I suspect we'll see Kyle Allen very soon. Losing your starting QB is always a tough thing to overcome.

Heinicke has been able to move the offense in each game. I don't really worry about the arm strength part. As for injuries, at this point our qbs all are injury prone. Multiple seasons with 3+ qbs , that is just crazy.

My fear is that defenses will figure him out, but truthfully I don't know if he has figured himself out yet.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Heinicke has been able to move the offense in each game. I don't really worry about the arm strength part. As for injuries, at this point our qbs all are injury prone. Multiple seasons with 3+ qbs , that is just crazy.

My fear is that defenses will figure him out, but truthfully I don't know if he has figured himself out yet.

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TH to me is another Colt McCoy. Sure you can win some games with him, but the biggest factor is health. He's got to stay in the lineup.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

TH to me is another Colt McCoy. Sure you can win some games with him, but the biggest factor is health. He's got to stay in the lineup.

He seems more than Colt to me.

RF had not generated much in way of sustained drives. TH got a FG before half, a TD with the first drive of the second half, got us to the 22 before Scherff's penalty, and then had AG fumble it. Those were good drives against a good defense. He did the same kind of thing against Tampa's defense. Both games our vaunted defense let the team down.
The only way we get to see about his health is putting him in and letting him play.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

He seems more than Colt to me.

RF had not generated much in way of sustained drives. TH got a FG before half, a TD with the first drive of the second half, got us to the 22 before Scherff's penalty, and then had AG fumble it. Those were good drives against a good defense. He did the same kind of thing against Tampa's defense. Both games our vaunted defense let the team down.
The only way we get to see about his health is putting him in and letting him play.

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Actually I'll take back the Colt comparison since it's really not fair. TH will be making his 2nd regular season start on Thurs and in the grand scheme of things is still very unproven. He doesn't even have a resume worth comparing to anyone yet. He's a 28 year old rookie in terms of playing experience. Given our luck this should go great lol

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Heinicke has been able to move the offense in each game. I don't really worry about the arm strength part. As for injuries, at this point our qbs all are injury prone. Multiple seasons with 3+ qbs , that is just crazy.

My fear is that defenses will figure him out, but truthfully I don't know if he has figured himself out yet.

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Cooley said TH was running basically the same 2-3 routes .. crosses and digs. Running a triangle chart. he said its fine but its limited.

2021 offense = 2020 offense. Mostly everything is within 15 yards of LOS with TH ocassionally tossing a contested long ball.

Its identical, except in 2020 I thought our O line played above their weight class and we might not get that again this year.

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[Chief X_Phackter]

His injury history is definitely concerning. It's hard not to label him injury prone. He does bring a different dynamic to the table with his mobility though. He just needs to be smart.

[mredskins]

We are at the point in history again where we need to make a big trade on a big time QB and just fingers cross it works. Until you fill that role you are spinning tires. Even with Fitzmagic we were gone be lucky to be .500; we are lucky enough to play in a shit division, that helps us the most.

The Watson offer is our best bet, even if he is banned half a season or whatever. I am not even sure they have anything on him; if they did he already be punished. I highly doubt he gets a lifetime ban.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I've been super torn and super back and forth on this, but I'm warming to the idea of Cam Newton. The BIGGEST problem I have with him is being a big distraction. He's got to have enough left (for now) to not waste a year of what it supposed to be a nasty defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I've been super torn and super back and forth on this, but I'm warming to the idea of Cam Newton. The BIGGEST problem I have with him is being a big distraction. He's got to have enough left (for now) to not waste a year of what it supposed to be a nasty defense.

Cam is definitely not coming in. Ron has passed over him multiple times now, plus there's the vaccination issue. Not going to happen.