Come up with a new name for the Redskins

[Schneed10]

I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though it’s strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If you’re going to make a name change, just do it. Don’t make the mistake of doing something that’s still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyder’s tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are don’t want to be a mascot at all. If you don’t get that you’re a moron.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though it’s strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If you’re going to make a name change, just do it. Don’t make the mistake of doing something that’s still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyder’s tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are don’t want to be a mascot at all. If you don’t get that you’re a moron.

I agree, just goes to show that plenty of people don’t completely understand what the crux of this movement is

[davy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though it’s strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If you’re going to make a name change, just do it. Don’t make the mistake of doing something that’s still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyder’s tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are don’t want to be a mascot at all. If you don’t get that you’re a moron.

You sure you're not offending anybody by using that phrase?

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by davy

You sure you're not offending anybody by using that phrase?

Lemmy's offended.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though it’s strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If you’re going to make a name change, just do it. Don’t make the mistake of doing something that’s still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyder’s tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are don’t want to be a mascot at all. If you don’t get that you’re a moron.

I'll definitely admit right away I don't have a global and thorough view of the issue.
But I have a hard time thinking there wouldn't be a way to properly and inclusively honor Native American culture.

Isn't part of the issue the fact that because the team doesn't seem to actually do much to honor and support Native communities, it can be perceived as flat out cultural appropriation ?
If it was a process and dialogue with Native communities couldn't it be a good tool to honor, raise awareness and fund projects that would benefit them ?

Maybe it's too late and there's kinda no way to make it up though.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'll definitely admit right away I don't have a global and thorough view of the issue.
But I have a hard time thinking there wouldn't be a way to properly and inclusively honor Native American culture.

Isn't part of the issue the fact that because the team doesn't seem to actually do much to honor and support Native communities, it can be perceived as flat out cultural appropriation ?
If it was a process and dialogue with Native communities couldn't it be a good tool to honor, raise awareness and fund projects that would benefit them ?

Maybe it's too late and there's kinda no way to make it up though.

To me it will be viewed as appropriation either way. The backlash in our society of a member of the wealthy in the United States "buying" the rights to name a team after a minority group would not stand. Even if there is an agreement between a tribal nation that agrees to it. You would see continued financial boycott from investors that would perceive this as exploitation. DC would still hold up a stadium deal. If that was to happen it should have happened already.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

To me it will be viewed as appropriation either way. The backlash in our society of a member of the wealthy in the United States "buying" the rights to name a team after a minority group would not stand. Even if there is an agreement between a tribal nation that agrees to it. You would see continued financial boycott from investors that would perceive this as exploitation. DC would still hold up a stadium deal. If that was to happen it should have happened already.

Ok.
Maybe I'm just hanging on to a ideal scenario where it could be possible to have it work for everybody, starting with the Natives... From the start I just liked the idea that Natives were represented and honored in the biggest sport of America... Heck anyway I don't have much say in it and I will get along with what ever happens.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

To me it will be viewed as appropriation either way. The backlash in our society of a member of the wealthy in the United States "buying" the rights to name a team after a minority group would not stand. Even if there is an agreement between a tribal nation that agrees to it. You would see continued financial boycott from investors that would perceive this as exploitation. DC would still hold up a stadium deal. If that was to happen it should have happened already.

Bingo.

They need to get as far away from any direct correlation to NA as possible or this issue will only continue to fester.

[v8-7]

Dear Mr punch it in, Please change your name as I find the word "punch" to be too violent.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by v8-7

Dear Mr punch it in, Please change your name as I find the word "punch" to be too violent.

Stfu before I send the deep state to confiscate your maga hats...

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Bingo.

They need to get as far away from any direct correlation to NA as possible or this issue will only continue to fester.

The question is will Dan listen to reason. I can see him saying "but we are honoring them" as his argument and not seeing the forest for the trees. Like I said this will be his defining legacy.

Screw it up and he will be known as the perpetual loser that defended racist and racist jr. monikers. Do this right and his legacy may very well become positive.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The question is will Dan listen to reason. I can see him saying "but we are honoring them" as his argument and not seeing the forest for the trees. Like I said this will be his defining legacy.

Screw it up and he will be known as the perpetual loser that defended racist and racist jr. monikers. Do this right and his legacy may very well become positive.

I have always thought, "honoring them" was a pretty hollow claim. I realize it is the obvious retort to "disparaging them", but Dan should never have made that his basis.

Honestly, we Americans and a good chunk of the world have always been fascinated by the indigenous peoples of North America. Indians are Cool. The imagery is intoxicating.

As for his legacy, Dan has had several second chances and tends to scuttle them after showing promise.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

I have always thought, "honoring them" was a pretty hollow claim. I realize it is the obvious retort to "disparaging them", but Dan should never have made that his basis.

Honestly, we Americans and a good chunk of the world have always been fascinated by the indigenous peoples of North America. Indians are Cool. The imagery is intoxicating.

As for his legacy, Dan has had several second chances and tends to scuttle them after showing promise.

It is nice knowing Ron Rivera is there and there is an adult at the table but to piggy back on what you said that is a classic Dan move. RR has been here for a cup of coffee and he is having input. I am assuming Gibbs is being asked for advice, maybe? IDK