Skins getting heat again over name issue

[SunnySide]

Would you call them a redskin to their face?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Would you call them a redskin to their face?

No, because it's not 100 years ago and I, along with literally everybody else, is not prejudiced against Native Americans.

Go find me any group of people anywhere who are still actively encouraging slaughter against Native Americans and maybe I'll reconsider.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, because it's not 100 years ago and I, along with literally everybody else, is not prejudiced against Native Americans.

Go find me any group of people anywhere who are still actively encouraging slaughter against Native Americans and maybe I'll reconsider.

Yep. And from what most NAs have said they're often called "chief" as a pejorative term.

[calia]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, because it's not 100 years ago and I, along with literally everybody else, is not prejudiced against Native Americans.

Go find me any group of people anywhere who are still actively encouraging slaughter against Native Americans and maybe I'll reconsider.

There are plenty of slurs that people don’t use anymore - eg, the ones for Italian and Irish immigrants from the early 20th century. That no one uses them these days doesn’t make them less a slur. I know I’d be pretty offended if one were directed my way. I don’t even see how this is a debate anymore.

Change the name. Enough with this issue. If there are Native Americans that are offended by it - and who am I to say otherwise - then just do it. (See what I did there?). It isn’t worth it and won’t affect my affection for the team which is keyed more to the fact that I am from the DC area.


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[mooby]

Originally Posted by calia

There are plenty of slurs that people don’t use anymore - eg, the ones for Italian and Irish immigrants from the early 20th century. That no one uses them these days doesn’t make them less a slur. I know I’d be pretty offended if one were directed my way. I don’t even see how this is a debate anymore.

Change the name. Enough with this issue. If there are Native Americans that are offended by it - and who am I to say otherwise - then just do it. (See what I did there?). It isn’t worth it and won’t affect my affection for the team which is keyed more to the fact that I am from the DC area.


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What about the N.A. reservations that use it as a term of pride?

[calia]

Originally Posted by mooby

What about the N.A. reservations that use it as a term of pride?

And some clearly do not view it that way. There are members of the African American community that use the N word too, but that doesn’t make it less offensive. Again, my view is that there are people that find it offensive (and I don’t see any need to debate the relative proportion of the community that does), and that’s easily enough for me to say there’s no need to use it.

I don’t get the need to defend the name. It’s the least important thing about the team to me. Heck, I care more about the use of burgundy and gold than the name.

At this point, it feels inevitable (and I believe it should) and folks will have to decide whether a name change is enough to change their loyalty. Personally, I don’t get that, but so be it.


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[mooby]

Originally Posted by calia

And some clearly do not view it that way. There are members of the African American community that use the N word too, but that doesn’t make it less offensive. Again, my view is that there are people that find it offensive (and I don’t see any need to debate the relative proportion of the community that does), and that’s easily enough for me to say there’s no need to use it.

I don’t get the need to defend the name. It’s the least important thing about the team to me. Heck, I care more about the use of burgundy and gold than the name.

At this point, it feels inevitable (and I believe it should) and folks will have to decide whether a name change is enough to change their loyalty. Personally, I don’t get that, but so be it.


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With today's announcement it is inevitable, there's no way they make a second announcement after the review and say "we did our review and find that the name is not offensive."

The money flow involved has ensured an announcement will be coming soon that the name will be changed. The dollar is the almighty bottom line. Dan will pretend to care about feelings towards the name because now it's fucking with his bottom line.

I'm not gonna defend it anymore, I'm just a simple man who loves the burgundy and gold, and I'm still gonna be rooting for this squad for the rest of my life. My opinion is irrelevant when discussing whether the majority of Native Americans are truly offended by the name. But can we not act like us and the rest of America is going to go back to ignoring the plight of modern Native Americans when this is done? The federal government doesn't give two shits about N.A.'s. Trump doesn't even give one shit, has he even tried to help them with the corona issues or any of the other major issues plaguing them today? Once we rid all the sports teams of their names, they are going to go back to being out of sight and out of mind (it's a problem my fellow "woke" liberals have, like changing street signs and taking down statues, it's a step but still doesn't resolve the biggest issues facing society today).

My biggest hope is that this team doesn't end up with some dumb shit nickname like Wizards, or Warriors. Come up with a name that honors something but still retains some spirit, a historical reference, or something else. Washington Americans? garbage. Washington Redtails? Honoring the Tuskegee Airmen? Way better. I still think they'll go with something completely different just to break all association with Redskins though.

[metalskins]

I would feel better about a name change if it truly was about the Native Americans, but it's not. It's about the cancel culture movement by the extremist left. A name change does nothing to help with the poverty issues and alcoholism that the tribes deal with. In fact this movement will see to it that any historic ties back to the Native American people are completely severed so they can conveniently sweep it under the rug as if it never existed. Hence, nothing to remind them of the NA's so that they won't feel bad for doing nothing of substance for them.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

What about the N.A. reservations that use it as a term of pride?

Same way blacks use the n word with one another. Totally different than a white man saying it.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by mooby

What about the N.A. reservations that use it as a term of pride?

They do exist. Last week I was reading about the group with the issue with the Blackhawks, one of the members made a great point in an interview. He was asked about this very notion and his response was something along the lines of, "I know there are some Natives who like it and some who do not care either way. That is why there really is no 'Native American View' of the issue. There are a lot of Native Americans out there and each has their own opinion on the matter."

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, because it's not 100 years ago and I, along with literally everybody else, is not prejudiced against Native Americans.



Go find me any group of people anywhere who are still actively encouraging slaughter against Native Americans and maybe I'll reconsider.

Sounds alot like go find me a plantation with slaves on it that still exists and Ill....

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Sounds alot like go find me a plantation with slaves on it that still exists and Ill....

The difference is white supremacy still exists and in the last 4 years they've suddenly found their voice again.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

The difference is white supremacy still exists and in the last 4 years they've suddenly found their voice again.

You think white supremacy doesn’t have a problem with native Americans? My point is just because something used to be racist doesn’t mean it’s ok now. We stole their land. Slaughtered them. Stuck them on reservations and called them Redskins while we were doing it. Chico it is about right and wrong not caving to the mob. Lol.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You think white supremacy doesn’t have a problem with native Americans? My point is just because something used to be racist doesn’t mean it’s ok now. We stole their land. Slaughtered them. Stuck them on reservations and called them Redskins while we were doing it. Chico it is about right and wrong not caving to the mob. Lol.

There are hardly any white supremacists left. The ones who still around have zero political support. There is not one white person in a position of power who would want their name to be associated with white supremacy or a white supremacist. The accusation alone could cost him or her everything. There is no evidence that white supremacy is a thing. All of the rioting and protesting that's going on is really over a non-issue. While real issues affecting the country, specifically black Americans, are being ignored.

It's funny how you can be so hostile towards white Americans, yet here defending native Americans. Do you know that native Americans were also slave owners? I'm sure you're aware that they also slaughtered, raped, and enslaved people as well, right? Did you know they actually fought for the Confederacy during the American Civil War? My question to you is will you hold their past sins against them or do you only hate white people?