Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

For arguments sake, here are the QB that were available in the respective drafts at our draft slot in the Shanahan era.. Is there anyone in the list you'd rather have over RGIII, even considering the price?

2010 Tebow, Clausen, McCoy
2011 Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett
2012 Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Wilson, Foles

IMO, perhaps Dalton but I'm not sold that he hasn't already reached his ceiling. Kaepernick or Wilson I'd be fine with but only because of the cost of picks. Also think that Dalton or Kaepernick would have meant 'over drafting' them in the 1st round that year or trading picks to move up in the 2nd round.

One of the reasons this is a bad team is because of the trade. It's not the only reason, but one of them.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

For arguments sake, here are the QB that were available in the respective drafts at our draft slot in the Shanahan era.. Is there anyone in the list you'd rather have over RGIII, even considering the price?

2010 Tebow, Clausen, McCoy
2011 Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett
2012 Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Wilson, Foles

IMO, perhaps Dalton but I'm not sold that he hasn't already reached his ceiling. Kaepernick or Wilson I'd be fine with but only because of the cost of picks. Also think that Dalton or Kaepernick would have meant 'over drafting' them in the 1st round that year or trading picks to move up in the 2nd round.

We also have to account would any of these QBs perform well with the current state of the offense. There are many variables at play as you have mentioned in previous posts, but assuming we drafted offense I am not sure we have too many impact players at o-line and wr in the league from the 2012 and 2013 draft that we would've been able to select. Of course once again, assuming we don't trade down for more picks etc. As Matty said if the cap penalty came out before the trade, the trade or the pick up of PG for that matter, may not have occurred.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.

It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.

The problem is that you have to take risks. The teams that don't have a franchise QB are often mired in mediocrity in a revolving door of QBs and high to mid round first draft picks. The day of the trade I was anxious and apprehensive, what I saw last year gave me hope toward a bright future and I can't say for certainty our future is any worse or better for the trade but I am willing to take risks. For me the biggest mistake is the McNabb trade that essentially cost us a year of rebuilding.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The problem is that you have to take risks. The teams that don't have a franchise QB are often mired in mediocrity in a revolving door of QBs and high to mid round first draft picks. The day of the trade I was anxious and apprehensive, what I saw last year gave me hope toward a bright future and I can't say for certainty our future is any worse or better for the trade but I am willing to take risks. For me the biggest mistake is the McNabb trade that essentially cost us a year of rebuilding.

No one is saying don't take risks. Just don't get to a point where trading more for a QB than anyone ever has is your only option. And if you do reach that point, it's time for someone else to have a shot.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.

Or anyone who wanted to move up. Lil shocked now the trade is an issue. I don't see acquire rg3 as the issue, but the handling of the injury, coaching and his protection is more the problem

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Or anyone who wanted to move up. Lil shocked now the trade is an issue. I don't see acquire rg3 as the issue, but the handling of the injury, coaching and his protection is more the problem

RG3 might prove to be worth it long term, but one thing we can conclude now is that he was overvalued on draft day. Foles was the same passer in college (although needed to be protected by a scheme re: lack of athleticism), and went in the third round. Wilson of course also went in the third round.

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It's going to be on someone else to salvage RG3 as an elite player (which he's still young enough to become), which means that the process behind the trade was more poor than the trade itself.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

This is absolute truth.

Really there's too many major fuck ups by "Shanahan the GM" to pick a worst though. Blowing up the defense he inherited and installing the worst defense in the league. Terrible management of the players he inherited. Lousy drafting and too many busts. And then you have all the fuck up by "Shanahan the coach." Ugh...just too many things to remember and list.

But it's the CULTURE he developed that stands out as the worst dynamic and the one that has potential to haunt this team for years. Because Mike has been such a terrible leader/mentor you see the players lose respect for everything associated with the Redskins. It's like a poison, and as the poison spreads through the system you see these kids give up. It's just now becoming totally apparent on the field, but it's been at work for a long time. And we have to remember they're young, likely immature kids. They don't know how to separate the franchise from this egomaniac asshole running the team. That's why I think it's critical to get Shanahan out of the building ASAP. The poison is spreading and has the potential to ruin more and more players on the roster.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is absolute truth.

Really there's too many major fuck ups by "Shanahan the GM" to pick a worst though. Blowing up the defense he inherited and installing the worst defense in the league. Terrible management of the players he inherited. Lousy drafting and too many busts. And then you have all the fuck up by "Shanahan the coach." Ugh...just too many things to remember and list.

But it's the CULTURE he developed that stands out as the worst dynamic and the one that has potential to haunt this team for years. Because Mike has been such a terrible leader/mentor you see the players lose respect for everything associated with the Redskins. It's like a poison, and as the poison spreads through the system you see these kids give up. It's just now becoming totally apparent on the field, but it's been at work for a long time. And we have to remember they're young, likely immature kids. They don't know how to separate the franchise from this egomaniac asshole running the team. That's why I think it's critical to get Shanahan out of the building ASAP. The poison is spreading and has the potential to ruin more and more players on the roster.

If thats the case, how could he lead a team to the playoffs after a 3-6 start? If the culture was so bad, this couldnt have happened last year. I dont think its the locker room or the culture of the organization. I think thats pretty solid actually.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If thats the case, how could he lead a team to the playoffs after a 3-6 start? If the culture was so bad, this couldnt have happened last year. I dont think its the locker room or the culture of the organization. I think thats pretty solid actually.

You're making all kinds of assumptions. First, that it was Shanahan who led the team. I saw RG on offense and London on defense leading the team. That (player) leadership counterbalanced the negative from Mike, Kyle and Haslett.

But honestly, and it's what I hear from almost all football fans outside this little world, knee-gate shattered any trust and respect for Shanahan. It was obvious to me the players quit on Shanahan after that i.e. obvious from the opening game this season.

You can argue otherwise, but then you have to explain why this team has been so listless all season. And I think this season in particular presents some good comparisons for reference. Schiano, another guy who's made tough calls but retained his players respect, has his guys playing their asses off. That's how I gauge respect btw, how players fight for their teammates, coach and franchise on the field, winning or losing. Likewise I think it's the very best gauge of team culture.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Chico23231;1044236[B

]If thats the case, how could he lead a team to the playoffs after a 3-6 start?[/B] If the culture was so bad, this couldnt have happened last year. I dont think its the locker room or the culture of the organization. I think thats pretty solid actually.

The answer to that is simple. It was a three man show that got that done. RG3, Alf and Garcon. The success this team has had, and the flashes of brilliance it has shown at times is in SPITE of Shanahans bad drafting, player management, bad playcalling, bad clock management, bad personnel moves, bad devaluing of current tradable assets, bad too many other things to list.

Until we get fresh blood on the sidelines to work with our franchise QB and RB, we will be mired in mediocrity and underperformance. And that is squarely on Mike "24-37" Shanahan. The game has passed this guy by. Time to frikkin cut bait.

[davy]

Switching to the 3-4 defense.

Almost all of our current problems can be traced directly to that bone-headed decision.

[GTripp0012]

I think the execution of the 3-4 switch was worse than the decision. Almost every team that moves from an even front to an odd front saw a first year bump. Our defense crashed. Lotta personnel errors in there. And Haslett's installation was sloppy.

[skinsfan69]

It has to be this trade. Two number one's and a second rounder? Now the number one pick is going to be a top 3 pick. Plus the player that we traded for may not be a good fit for the NFL game. This had disaster written all over it when they made the deal. However, I would like to know if Shanahan was 100% on board with the RG3 trade.

The 3-4 also has been a mess and that's 100% on Shanahan.