Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

You underestimate a healthy PM. If he is not good enough to make the redskins a contender then explain why the Colts are 2-14 without him and a Super bowl contender with him?

The Redskins are not just any QB upgrade away from being a Super bowl contender but they may be the right QB away.

If the Colts are such a SB contender with him why are they letting him hit the open market. Hmmmmm???? Hmmmmmm????

[mredskins]

A lot of you guys are in love with the 30 year old Manning. The guy is not that anymore, he will come here stink and again egg will be on our face.

You know how you look at Oakland, Arizona, Cleveland, etc... and say god those are awful franchise, hello McFly that is how the rest of the football world views the Redskins.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.

I don't think anyone is saying we are a PM away from winning a SB. I can speak for myself and say we are 1 good QB away from getting to the playoffs or at the least having a 500+ record. Anyone who plays better and makes better decisions then Grossman and Beck should be able to do that. PM included.... if he can play.

I think it's amazing how we as a fan base are so far apart and possibly to the extreme when it comes to where this team really is.

Some say we are no where near getting to the play offs. Pessimist.

Others say we are not that far off. Optimist.

I can tell you somewhere in between the truth lies. I'm not saying we are close because we beat the Giants twice (although it sounds nice), I'm not saying it because we have MS. I'm saying it based off of the teams play on the field. No different then others here love to say "we were a 5-11 team and we are a few yrs off". All I'm saying is I think we are closer then you think.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sbxvii

hmmm..... And the skins are not that? The skins played better then the year before, the ol got better by the end of the year creating nice holes for the rb to run through, there was better protection, and we beat the sb champs twice. <- i now that may not mean much but it shows the skins can contend.

3rd year in the same system, ol understanding their assignments better, combined with a really good run game, and i don't care what anyone says our defense was one of the best limiting teams to 20 or less points most of the time. Thats what you want. Look at the patriots they gave up the most yrds all year but teams had a hard time scoring on them. Thats pretty much us. 5-11 doesn't sound like a contender but you have to look at the overall play and in most of those games the skins lost by like 3 points. Get a decent qb and decent wr's and that alone could be the difference of getting a few more 1st downs for a field goal, or even 1 more td per game.

dude right here you are saying we are a super bowl contender!

this was the quote you were answering to:

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I be ok with PM and a rookie QB if they both suck we go after the next great QB in the draft.

I stil lsay give Indy whatever they hell they want for Luck and be done with it.

Problem is there won't be any price. PM is as good as gone. The owner wants to start a new era. The GM on down was replaced. Their bringing in Luck to start their new era.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by irish

Yes. I can not see any scenario where PM says to himself "I have to play for the Redskins." The Skins are waaaaay too far away from being contenders and have no weapons for him to use. Manning is smart enough to recognize Washigton is just not a good option for him.

Hint of sarcasm? yes-no?

Funny I can see him thinking the other way. Especially with Montana having spoken to him telling him how good MS is along with the OL being blocking better, and 3 really decent RB's who did very well in the second half of the season. I can see him saying if they take me and pick up 1 or top WR's from free agency, draft a young QB, pick up another WR, get some OL and fix the couple of holes they have on defense the Skins could go pretty far. I think he's pretty smart too to recognize a team that is on the verge of becoming great and might want to be apart of that.

[mredskins]

My guess is PM goes to a dark horse that is on the verge of a SB. I would not be shocked to see him in Baltimore.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

SHHHHHH. Your optimism has got to be killing those fans who don't want to see anything but doom and gloom. You also wrecking their thought that we are so far away we need to get RGIII in order to get out of this hole. Because even though he has not done anything to establish himself in the NFL he's the franchise QB we need. Even though he's not a franchise QB yet.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by mredskins

If the Colts are such a SB contender with him why are they letting him hit the open market. Hmmmmm???? Hmmmmmm????

The answer to your question is Andrew "Best prospect since Elway" Luck. Plus they are not even sure he's healthy and have to pay him 28 million before they will know for sure. I am sure you know all this...but you did ask the question.

I am not in favor of signing Peyton as my #1 QB plan, my only objection is to the notion that the Redskins could not win with a healthy Manning. The Redskins and 31 other teams could win with him.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

The answer to your question is Andrew "Best prospect since Elway" Luck. Plus they are not even sure he's healthy and have to pay him 28 million before they will know for sure. I am sure you know all this...but you did ask the question.

I am not in favor of signing Peyton as my #1 QB plan, my only objection is to the notion that the Redskins could not win with a healthy Manning. The Redskins and 31 other teams could win with him.

I don't think you can win with him anymore because he is not healthy. If he was truly healthy and his old self the Colts keep him and trade that pick for a king's ransom.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For some reason, people think that we are going to acquire Manning by giving up all of our draft picks and not adding anything during the offseason. Well I am sure people don't necessarily think that, but are definitely acting like it. The funny thing is that acquiring Manning would allow us to use our draft picks to get some solid players, including a project QB. Also, with Manning on board, wouldn't the likes of VJax, Bowe, or Colston want to come to the Skins and play with Manning?

If Manning comes here, he won't be coming alone. We could very well add a WR from the deep class of FAs this offseason. We could get a stud interior lineman (I keep hearing DeCastro is the best) in the middle/late first round, and add a whole bunch of quality players in the later rounds. And we could also add our QB of the future. We could hopefully replicate what Kurt Warner did for Arizona when he went to play for them (and Warner was thought of being done after having a poor showing with the Giants).

I am fine with trading up for RG3, but I know the team would need to spend a lot in free agency, since I am sure we would need to use a lot picks in a trade. I think in this situation, we would need to be ready for another year of growing pains.

Right now as it stands, we are not a contender or a playoff team. However, if we land Manning, one of the top FA WRs, and a quality first/second/third rounder rookies (including our QB of the future), we could very well be a playoff team next season and still have a lot of youth that will carry this team for years to come.

I like everything you said except the last paragraph. In most of the games the Skins lost by 7 points or less. Better QB, Better WR's, this team I think is a play off team. Then you have Jenkins coming back to provide more of a rush against other teams then all I think the defense needs is a FS or two if Atogwe is not who we thought he would be.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

SHHHHHH. Your optimism has got to be killing those fans who don't want to see anything but doom and gloom. You also wrecking their thought that we are so far away we need to get RGIII in order to get out of this hole. Because even though he has not done anything to establish himself in the NFL he's the franchise QB we need. Even though he's not a franchise QB yet.

I don't consider my post above to be optimistic. I see it as realism. How quickly we forget that the Super Bowl winner went 9-7 in the regular season and other such facts.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I dig your optimism mooby. Our defense, at its best, is nothing like the best defenses in the league, including the Giants'. That defense is pretty inconsistent over the course of an entire season but when they start to click they're easily a top 3 defense. At our very, very best we might break the top 10...but it's a stretch.

I'm glad you say that because it's better then the Patriots who had I think the worst or close to it yardage wise. People just couldn't score on them. Teams kinda had the same problem with the Skins.

I know it's going to kill you but lets look at the bright side.... our offense was good enough to beat the Giants twice and our defense kept Eli in check in both games we played.

I'll say it again. It's amazing how far apart this fan base is on how close the team is to being a winner.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm glad you say that because it's better then the Patriots who had I think the worst or close to it yardage wise. People just couldn't score on them. Teams kinda had the same problem with the Skins.

I know it's going to kill you but lets look at the bright side.... our offense was good enough to beat the Giants twice and our defense kept Eli in check in both games we played.

I'll say it again. It's amazing how far apart this fan base is on how close the team is to being a winner.

I hope your optimism is correct but history tells me you are wrong.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

If the Colts are such a SB contender with him why are they letting him hit the open market. Hmmmmm???? Hmmmmmm????

Surely it has nothing to do with PM probably telling the owner he won't play if they draft Luck. Hmmmm???? Hmmmmm?????

New GM, New HC, New Coaching staff... screams of we don't want anything from the past era clouding the new era. But if you really want to know.... we can wait and see instead of jumping to conclusions. If Irsay didn't want to keep PM he would not be wanting to meet with him. He would just cut him like the Raider did Routt. So there still is a chance PM stays probably depending on how their meeting goes.

In other words would PM take a back seat to Luck and I expect the answer would be no and PM released.