QB needy teams

[skinster]

I was looking at the 2012 draft (no I haven't given up on the season, I just like looking at the future), and I was seeing the probability of one of the top 3 qb prospects dropping to us.

Most teams with qb issues recently took a guy that should be their future very recently.

The only possible teams I see that I would assume draft a qb if he is there are the dolphins (definitely going to) and the seahawks.

Currently, the teams that would seriously entertain the idea are the colts (Manning's successor) and the chiefs (cassell doing it?)

Then there are the longshots in the Browns (McCoy the answer?), the Cardinals (if they do poorly enough), the Broncos (Tebow's play will determine), and the Bills (if they start to self destruct).

The point of this thread is really to gauge if the skins have a shot at drafting a qb next year. Yes I know there is alot to be determined, but that's why it's called gauging a prediction.

I say that unless someone underrated that we really like is there, or another Aaron Rodgers incident happens, we won't be in a position to get a guy of the future. Grossman clearly isn't that, and Beck at 29 is the backup to grossman. That doesn't inspire alot of confidence from the coaches in Beck. Not to say that these guys aren't adequate for now, but just that it would be unwise to plan to have them as our franchise qb of the future. I'd think its safe to assume that we'll be hoping to land a franchise qb this offseason. The wildcard imo is matt flynn who is a FA (possibly restricted though) and apparently is doing great as the backup to rodgers.

[skinsfaninok]

I understand your logic here but we talk about QB's in every thread.. I'll say that this draft is a good looking QB class BUT it is always a crap shoot.. Luck is Bradford like so he'll be great.. The others are ?s I've watched ev game of Landry Jones career and he's a solid QB but not even close to Luck or Bradford not even Newton. Weedon out of OKST is already 26 or 27 years old so I dont want him.. Then who else is left? Foles from Arizona maybe?

I also don't see us having a shot bcuz I think we will win 8-9 games this season

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I understand your logic here but we talk about QB's in every thread.. I'll say that this draft is a good looking QB class BUT it is always a crap shoot.. Luck is Bradford like so he'll be great.. The others are ?s I've watched ev game of Landry Jones career and he's a solid QB but not even close to Luck or Bradford not even Newton. Weedon out of OKST is already 26 or 27 years old so I dont want him.. Then who else is left? Foles from Arizona maybe?

I also don't see us having a shot bcuz I think we will win 8-9 games this season

So if we lose most of our games the rest of this season then maybe we have a shot in the draft. Hmmmm, maybe we should keep Rex in...

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

So if we lose most of our games the rest of this season then maybe we have a shot in the draft. Hmmmm, maybe we should keep Rex in...

If Rex starts Sunday IDK what I'll do

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If Rex starts Sunday IDK what I'll do

I'm sure people won't say a pip about Shanahan and continue to b*tch about Rex.

[Lotus]

Excluding Luck (who will require a mortgage on the Taj Mahal to get), I'm not sure I care too much what our draft position is. Likely we will draft somewhere in the teens anyway. Regardless of where we draft, we should trade whatever is necessary to move up in the draft and get our guy. We need to be very aggressive.

And perhaps we could sign someone like Henne in FA to be a caretaker until our golden rookie is ready.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If Rex starts Sunday IDK what I'll do

I don't know why, but when I read your post I just started laughing... Probably because I feel the same way.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I don't know why, but when I read your post I just started laughing... Probably because I feel the same way.

@ Ruhskins- If Rex starts I WILL Bitch about MS

@ 44- Dude it's so scary to see that bum pass I hate watching sometimes. Honestly I never thought I'd say this but give me JC over Rex

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by 44ever

So if we lose most of our games the rest of this season then maybe we have a shot in the draft. Hmmmm, maybe we should keep Rex in...

No. He needs to be put in solitary for at least a game or two because he peed himself against Philly. Like I teach my girls, there are consequences for your actions ... and there need to be consequences for Rex's actions here.

He needs a time out.

[GTripp0012]

The QB market is going to flood next year, in part because it was so weak this year that we inflated the stock of guys like Kaepernick, Dalton, Locker, etc. Newton and Gabbert would have been no. 1s in any year, but the rest of the draft got inflated. And because those guys are all still high picks, the fact that Campbell, Henne, Orton, Flynn, Hanie, etc are all going to be free agents and that the 2012 QB draft class is one of the strongest in recent memory.

So anyone who needs a quarterback can one way cheaper than in 2010 or 2011. In other words, Beck v Grossman is not relevant.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The QB market is going to flood next year, in part because it was so weak this year that we inflated the stock of guys like Kaepernick, Dalton, Locker, etc. Newton and Gabbert would have been no. 1s in any year, but the rest of the draft got inflated. And because those guys are all still high picks, the fact that Campbell, Henne, Orton, Flynn, Hanie, etc are all going to be free agents and that the 2012 QB draft class is one of the strongest in recent memory.

So anyone who needs a quarterback can one way cheaper than in 2010 or 2011. In other words, Beck v Grossman is not relevant.

I don't think its about getting a qb, but getting the right qb. We don't need another Jason Campbell, who is good enough to start somewhere, we need a guy that will put us in a position to win any game given that he has a respectable supporting cast. Using even a 4th rounder on the next Jason Campbell is a waste IMO, idc that he is one of the 32 best qbs in the league, he's not good enough to get the job done.

Getting good value for a starting material qb doesn't mean anything if the qb can't win his team games. The point of this thread isn't to examine if we can get "someone" to play qb for us, but rather if we are able to get the right guy to play qb for us. Unless there are 4 guys in this class that can do it, or someone slips through the cracks, I just don't see it happening.

I'd honestly say half the league does not have the qb that is needed to be able to be a legitimate candidate for a superbowl. Im going to be generous to what I really think and say that there are only roughly 15 guys capable of bringing home their team the lombardi in any given year. Over half of them are taken in the top third of the draft. Another portion are guys that nobody expected to do well. That leaves slim odds that a guy will be there where we are targeting a franchise qb. I've never seen a year where 4 highly touted qbs panned out and I'd say that there are 3 teams that will pick before us that will take a qb. I'd say we just need to get lucky to get one this year, hope to god one slips through the cracks either through teams passing on a guy or by us finding a diamond in the rough.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinster

I don't think its about getting a qb, but getting the right qb. We don't need another Jason Campbell, who is good enough to start somewhere, we need a guy that will put us in a position to win any game given that he has a respectable supporting cast. Using even a 4th rounder on the next Jason Campbell is a waste IMO, idc that he is one of the 32 best qbs in the league, he's not good enough to get the job done.

Getting good value for a starting material qb doesn't mean anything if the qb can't win his team games. The point of this thread isn't to examine if we can get "someone" to play qb for us, but rather if we are able to get the right guy to play qb for us. Unless there are 4 guys in this class that can do it, or someone slips through the cracks, I just don't see it happening.

I'd honestly say half the league does not have the qb that is needed to be able to be a legitimate candidate for a superbowl. Im going to be generous to what I really think and say that there are only roughly 15 guys capable of bringing home their team the lombardi in any given year. Over half of them are taken in the top third of the draft. Another portion are guys that nobody expected to do well. That leaves slim odds that a guy will be there where we are targeting a franchise qb. I've never seen a year where 4 highly touted qbs panned out and I'd say that there are 3 teams that will pick before us that will take a qb. I'd say we just need to get lucky to get one this year, hope to god one slips through the cracks either through teams passing on a guy or by us finding a diamond in the rough.

When you say that half the league doesn't have a super bowl QB, I think you need to be more specific. Our opinion of QBs changes too violently to say that theres a "can do" group and a "can't do" group. Just look at the Romo debate. There are people out there who think he's a "can never win" guy. But he's better than at least 24 starters in the NFL. So you can't draw a line beyond the top five without taking an opinion on Romo first. And then what do you do with Big Ben, who isn't as good as Romo, but who has won two? My point: you can't make a "can win" and "can't win" group based on quarterbacks and look smart three years from now. Where would you put Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford? Much less a guy like Tebow.

You shouldn't build the QB position any differently than any other position. You just need to find the best guy for what you are trying to do in any given year. Now, if you get it right? Everyone will say that you have a "top ten QB." Now, understand that people in the media (Deion Sanders/Michael Irvin) we're saying seven days ago that the Redskins had the best QB in the division in Rex Grossman. Understanding that they were a bit inaccurate in their assessment, how can we be so smart about drafting/developing QBs if an honest argument can be made that Grossman is outpacing the rest of the division in production, including one guy who already has a super bowl.

[skinsfaninok]

I agree with Tripp, Beck and Grossman are in the past for skins fans after 2011 UNLESS Beck is a true baller

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by skinster

I was looking at the 2012 draft (no I haven't given up on the season, I just like looking at the future), and I was seeing the probability of one of the top 3 qb prospects dropping to us.

Most teams with qb issues recently took a guy that should be their future very recently.

The only possible teams I see that I would assume draft a qb if he is there are the dolphins (definitely going to) and the seahawks.

Currently, the teams that would seriously entertain the idea are the colts (Manning's successor) and the chiefs (cassell doing it?)

Then there are the longshots in the Browns (McCoy the answer?), the Cardinals (if they do poorly enough), the Broncos (Tebow's play will determine), and the Bills (if they start to self destruct).

The point of this thread is really to gauge if the skins have a shot at drafting a qb next year. Yes I know there is alot to be determined, but that's why it's called gauging a prediction.

I say that unless someone underrated that we really like is there, or another Aaron Rodgers incident happens, we won't be in a position to get a guy of the future. Grossman clearly isn't that, and Beck at 29 is the backup to grossman. That doesn't inspire alot of confidence from the coaches in Beck. Not to say that these guys aren't adequate for now, but just that it would be unwise to plan to have them as our franchise qb of the future. I'd think its safe to assume that we'll be hoping to land a franchise qb this offseason. The wildcard imo is matt flynn who is a FA (possibly restricted though) and apparently is doing great as the backup to rodgers.

Im personally really high on Matt Flynn. I think our offense is pretty simular to GBs and can imagine him working out well for us. I dont think him being restricted really matters since i think hes gonna be pretty highly demanded and it will be too pricey for GB to match the offers he'll get elsewhere.

I dont really agree with most of your long shots but ill add another one to that list that im sure others wont agree with. The Jets. If a QB they like falls to them in the draft i think they will pick him.

[Meks]

I like Nick foles and he seems more our eventual draft position