The 2nd Amendment Thread

[mooby]

Felt like we could use an official thread for this. Honestly I think most Americans are in agreement that we could be doing more to prevent mass shooters from accessing weapons, but as long as the NRA is alive and well they will lead the charge against any law putting restrictions in place.

[MTK]

Honestly I'm worn out on this issue because shootings keep happening and pretty much nothing gets done about it. We're a gun fucking crazy country and that's not going to change.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Felt like we could use an official thread for this. Honestly I think most Americans are in agreement that we could be doing more to prevent mass shooters from accessing weapons, but as long as the NRA is alive and well they will lead the charge against any law putting restrictions in place.

You know the drunk uncle isn't going to like this.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You know the drunk uncle isn't going to like this.

In before "my right to quickly buy a gun is more important than kids lives in schools, shoppers in stores, concert goers at festivals, people at nightclubs, etc."

I joke, but I think even Chico agrees that a little longer waiting period and closing buying loopholes is a fair trade for less mass shootings and better background checks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

In before "my right to quickly buy a gun is more important than kids lives in schools, shoppers in stores, concert goers at festivals, people at nightclubs, etc."

I joke, but I think even Chico agrees that a little longer waiting period and closing buying loopholes is a fair trade for less mass shootings and better background checks.

The message was loud and clear after Sandy Hook. Guns > kids.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

The message was loud and clear after Sandy Hook. Guns > kids.

The problem at Sandy Hook was a mental health issue the symptom of that problem was the death of innocent children.


Albeit you could argue if he had no guns there be less deaths but he would have found a different tool to do his work.

Most police officers will tell the most dangerous thing the public posses is a automobile. You could knock out a large number of folks with one.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The problem at Sandy Hook was a mental health issue the symptom of that problem was the death of innocent children.


Albeit you could argue if he had no guns there be less deaths but he would have found a different tool to do his work.

Most police officers will tell the most dangerous thing the public posses is a automobile. You could knock out a large number of folks with one.

Sandy hook was just sickening. If you ever get a chance to read the backstory of the kid...his parents were terrible and they were like top 1% wealthy too. That’s a key thing behind so many problems, terrible fucking parents.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

In before "my right to quickly buy a gun is more important than kids lives in schools, shoppers in stores, concert goers at festivals, people at nightclubs, etc."

I joke, but I think even Chico agrees that a little longer waiting period and closing buying loopholes is a fair trade for less mass shootings and better background checks.

There is so much that could be done and none of it would be confiscating any guns!

[mredskins]

We have a mental health issue in this country that drives the gun issue.

I personally have no guns nor do i hunt nor do i really want a gun for any reason.

But i also believe folks who enjoy that stuff that are qualified and of good mental health should have access.

There is always a small percent of folks that ruins anything for the masses.

[Chico23231]

First, we shouldn’t be compassionate to people who commit crime with guns.The country justice system should expound that deeply with locking up all folks who commit crimes with guns with the laws available on the books. We need everyone commitment on that.

If you can’t commit to that gun legislation on the books and punish people who commit these acts, why in the fuck would you add more laws if you chose not to enforce them with the same passion you say you have for the issue?

[MTK]

Are there people walking free that committed mass shootings? What are we not enforcing exactly?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Are there people walking free that committed mass shootings? What are we not enforcing exactly?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/gun-o...udy-story.html

A study by the U.S. Sentencing Commission released in June 2019 reported more than two-thirds of federal gun offenders were re-arrested within eight years of being released from prison, compared to less than half of non-firearms offenders. (John Gibbins)

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

https://www.chicagotribune.com/gun-o...udy-story.html

Preach!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

https://www.chicagotribune.com/gun-o...udy-story.html

From the article:

Gun offenders should be more closely supervised after release from custody, Jenkins said, including more frequent contact and searches to detect and deter access to firearms.

"Also closely associated with recidivism reduction is requiring the released offenders to participate in and complete Cognitive Behavioral Programs that help high-risk offenders change criminal thinking patterns, make better decisions, and more successfully re-engage in society," said Jenkins.

He said services such as employment training and substance abuse treatment are also critical.

"But changing criminal thinking should be the priority," he said.

So I'm not sure that stricter sentencing is the answer like chico says, but instead expanding parole and re-training programs would probably be a good move.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

From the article:







So I'm not sure that stricter sentencing is the answer like chico says, but instead expanding parole and re-training programs would probably be a good move.

I agree in that in all cases we are back to access to mental health professionals and better support for people coming out of poverty. In every case, restricting firearms and/or abridging rights to own a gun falls in a poor 3rd place in effectiveness to addressing the mental and economic health of people who are likely to resort to gun violence.



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