Hugo Chavez Dead

[Chico23231]

Adios!

[Lotus]

Latin America will not be the same. Whatever we might think about Chavez, he was a hero to many from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Latin America will not be the same. Whatever we might think about Chavez, he was a hero to many from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.

So was Hitler in the late 30's

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

So was Hitler in the late 30's

Exactly. Whoever thought highly of Chavez was either brainwashed, had their pockets lined by him, or were completely ignorant to the way most of the world works.

The world is better today because of his death, so f him. Too bad I don't believe in heaven or hell, because this guy would definitely be in hell.

[Lotus]

I was not defending Chavez, with whom I had some disagreements. Notice my qualifier, "Whatever we might think." But my statement above is factually correct.

The comparison of Chavez with Hitler is a poor one. Chavez was a socialist whereas Hitler was a fascist, putting them at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. Chavez never started a world war. Chavez was not directly responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions. To compare Chavez with Hitler is to forget who Hitler really was.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Chavez was a socialist whereas Hitler was a fascist, putting them at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. Chavez never started a world war.

This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.

It still amazes me that the Nazis are called "right-wing", and Communism "left-wing". The National Socialist Worker's Party that Hitler ran was left wing, like the Communist parties they fought against as rivals (political opponents in Germany early on, the USSR militarily).

[InsaneBoost]

[DynamiteRave]

Shouldn't this be in the debating with the enemy thread? This is going to turn into a, "socialism corrupts" thread.

Or whatever, Chavez was nothing to me. *shrugs*

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Shouldn't this be in the debating with the enemy thread? This is going to turn into a, "socialism corrupts" thread.

Or whatever, Chavez was nothing to me. *shrugs*

Good point....we should build a wall to protect our socialism....much like Mother Russia. Actually we could probably buy the damn thing off EBAY since they went all........Western

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The comparison of Chavez with Hitler is a poor one.

You said he was a hero to millions, I merely compared his 'worship' to Hitler. You're presenting the straw man of ideologies.

Yawn.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

You said he was a hero to millions, I merely compared his 'worship' to Hitler. You're presenting the straw man of ideologies.

Yawn.

Fine. Have it your way. Let's use your logic. Since George Washington was a hero to many, he was like Hitler. Or so you must think to remain consistent in your logic.

Or perhaps you should revise your intellectually lazy comparison of Chavez with Hitler.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Fine. Have it your way. Let's use your logic. Since George Washington was a hero to many, he was like Hitler. Or so you must think to remain consistent in your logic.

Or perhaps you should revise your intellectually lazy comparison of Chavez with Hitler.

Chavez/Hitler despotic dictators. Washington? Great leader, beloved and benign. Oh, and half of the name of my favorite NFL team, commie!


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[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Chavez/Hitler despotic dictators. Washington? Great leader, beloved and benign. Oh, and half of the name of my favorite NFL team, commie!


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Which brings me back to the point I made before: Chavez a socialist, Hitler a fascist mass murderer. Not the same.

"Despotic dictator" does not say much, as it is vague and non-descriptive. There are many different ways to be a "despotic dictator." Cyrus of Persia, for example, was a despotic dictator, but he encouraged tolerance throughout his realm and freed Jews from the Babylonian exile. Is a man who kills Jews and a man who frees them the same?

Like I said, intellectually lazy thinking in this thread.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Which brings me back to the point I made before: Chavez a socialist, Hitler a fascist mass murderer. Not the same.

"Despotic dictator" does not say much, as it is vague and non-descriptive. There are many different ways to be a "despotic dictator." Cyrus of Persia, for example, was a despotic dictator, but he encouraged tolerance throughout his realm and freed Jews from the Babylonian exile. Is a man who kills Jews and a man who frees them the same?

Like I said, intellectually lazy thinking in this thread.

You miss the point. To get hung up on whether Chavez and Hitler are the same are different is asinine and pointless. The world is better off with him dead, that's the point. He had countless human rights violations, was friendly/supportive of Iran and North Korea, and was openly combative on the diplomatic stage with the United States. Nobody cares what his politics were. The sum total of his life = piece of shit, and the world is better off with him dead. That's the point.