Downfield Gibbs???????

loveskinsinwv · 11-21-2004, 07:18 PM

We Have Coles ,gardner ,mccants ,taylor ,thrash And Gibbs Won't Go Down Field???? I Know The Line Is Hurting But We Have Had Time And We Still Don't Do It... Were Was Portis Today ?????? An Yes I'm Upset..

skins009 · 11-21-2004, 07:24 PM

I must say gibbs has no idea what he's doing on offense right now. And why the hell is Ray Brown still in the starting lineup. I too am very disappointed.

Gmanc711 · 11-21-2004, 07:27 PM

I agree, its rediculous. Like seriously, I feel the same way now as when we had Brunell at quarterback. The whole Reason I lobbied for Ramsey to come in was because he can throw the ball hard downfeild. We only took too " shots " and one of them wasent really a shot. Granted we missed them both ( one was a PI call ); so I just dont get it. When its 3rd and 20 and we throw a 5 yard screen.

Daseal · 11-21-2004, 07:31 PM

I'm so upset right now. We completely owned them and could have put them down in the first half if we had some balls on play-calling. This loss, as far as I'm concerned, sits squarely on Gibb's shoulders.

RedskinRat · 11-21-2004, 07:33 PM

Yes, we had them crushed in the first half, the offense SHOULD have put up 21....instead we have 6. Piss poor.

MTK · 11-21-2004, 07:34 PM

no blame for all the drops and penalties?

I'm all for placing some blame on the coaches, but c'mon, the players didn't execute either.

12 penalties for over 100 yards today, the penalties in the redzone were killer.

VTSkins897 · 11-21-2004, 07:37 PM

ZZZZZzzzzzzz... while a coach cant completely account for drops and penalties, its still somewhat a coaching problem. good coaches make these things go away one way or another. we have the worst offense in the NFL by far... relative to our talent. i certainly dont count san fran or miami...

Daseal · 11-21-2004, 07:42 PM

Most of those in the 2nd half Matty. We could have beat them in the first.

MTK · 11-21-2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Most of those in the 2nd half Matty. We could have beat them in the first.

Games are won in the 2nd half, good teams rise to the occasion late when it's a tight game.

Do you really think we were going to blow them out in the first half and coast to a win?

This was the kind of game where we had to play it tight and give ourselves a chance to pull it out at the end. We collapsed in the 2nd half and Philly took advantage.

Good teams don't flop like that in the 2nd half.

Besides, who cares when the penalties or drops come? Point is they happened, point is the players didn't execute when they had to.

1st and goal inside the 10 and we end up being pushed back to the 35 and miss a long FG, that right there summed up our execution today.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 09:19 PM

Matty's right that when you're playing a close game, the players need to step up, not make stupid penalties, and not drop so many passes (by my count, there were 7 drops - had they all been caught Ramsey would've completed something like 85% of his passes).

However, I've got to still put the majority of the blame on Gibbs' "vanilla" playbook. I've never ever ever seen playcalling so conservative, timid, and utterly horrible. Gibbs is too smart to run this kind of offense. When is it going to change?

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:42 PM

When we get players who catch balls on a consistant basis, throw accurate balls on a consistant basis, and not cause stupid nickel and dime penalites such as false starts and delay of game penalities...

offiss · 11-21-2004, 10:57 PM

The drop's and the penalties didn't lose this game it may of helped to make the game closer but that's about it, what lost this game is Gibb's obsession with conservative play, he believes every defense we play is the 85' bear's, you can't even blame Ramsey for not finding reciever's open down field because you could see the way he dropped back and got rid of the ball that the ball was going short no matter what, a QB need's to know his coach has confidence in him so he can relax and play, Gibb's has Ramsey walking on egg shell's, his play calling is essentially telling him I know you can't play QB, Gibb's is sitting on top of a powder keg right now, the defensive side of the ball has kept their mouth's shut, but up until now they have recieved all the credit for anything positive, now they are starting to wear down and don't like the fact that their giving up point's and their going to look to blame someone, GUESS WHO? Brunell is out Ramsey is in there is only 1 other place to look and that's Gibb's, he's coaching football like a worried mother, he better remember that football is a man's game!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

When we get players who catch balls on a consistant basis, throw accurate balls on a consistant basis, and not cause stupid nickel and dime penalites such as false starts and delay of game penalities...

As the head coach and the de facto President of Player Personnel, I think Gibbs gets just an itty bit of the blame for poor personnel moves (like Brunell).

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 11:03 PM

Ramseyfan, no one here has said that Gibbs doesn't get any blame. Sure he made a mistake on Brunell...did he make the mistake of talking Greg Williams into coming to Washington?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:05 PM

Of course not. Gibbs gets a LOT of credit for heavily recruiting Williams. Without Gibbs I doubt we would have gotten Williams. Gibbs flew up to NY in the middle of the night to snag him before he signed with someone else. My understanding is that Williams was about to sign with another team but Gibbs' trip changed his mind.

11-21-2004, 07:18 PM	#1
loveskinsinwv Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: BOONE CO WEST VIRGINIA Age: 63 Posts: 40	Downfield Gibbs??????? We Have Coles ,gardner ,mccants ,taylor ,thrash And Gibbs Won't Go Down Field???? I Know The Line Is Hurting But We Have Had Time And We Still Don't Do It... Were Was Portis Today ?????? An Yes I'm Upset..

11-21-2004, 07:27 PM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I agree, its rediculous. Like seriously, I feel the same way now as when we had Brunell at quarterback. The whole Reason I lobbied for Ramsey to come in was because he can throw the ball hard downfeild. We only took too " shots " and one of them wasent really a shot. Granted we missed them both ( one was a PI call ); so I just dont get it. When its 3rd and 20 and we throw a 5 yard screen. __________________ #21

11-21-2004, 07:24 PM	#2
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	I must say gibbs has no idea what he's doing on offense right now. And why the hell is Ray Brown still in the starting lineup. I too am very disappointed.

11-21-2004, 07:31 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I'm so upset right now. We completely owned them and could have put them down in the first half if we had some balls on play-calling. This loss, as far as I'm concerned, sits squarely on Gibb's shoulders.

11-21-2004, 07:33 PM	#5
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Yes, we had them crushed in the first half, the offense SHOULD have put up 21....instead we have 6. Piss poor.

11-21-2004, 07:34 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,846	no blame for all the drops and penalties? I'm all for placing some blame on the coaches, but c'mon, the players didn't execute either. 12 penalties for over 100 yards today, the penalties in the redzone were killer.

11-21-2004, 07:37 PM	#7
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	ZZZZZzzzzzzz... while a coach cant completely account for drops and penalties, its still somewhat a coaching problem. good coaches make these things go away one way or another. we have the worst offense in the NFL by far... relative to our talent. i certainly dont count san fran or miami...

11-21-2004, 07:42 PM	#8
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Most of those in the 2nd half Matty. We could have beat them in the first.

11-21-2004, 09:19 PM	#10
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Matty's right that when you're playing a close game, the players need to step up, not make stupid penalties, and not drop so many passes (by my count, there were 7 drops - had they all been caught Ramsey would've completed something like 85% of his passes). However, I've got to still put the majority of the blame on Gibbs' "vanilla" playbook. I've never ever ever seen playcalling so conservative, timid, and utterly horrible. Gibbs is too smart to run this kind of offense. When is it going to change?

11-21-2004, 10:42 PM	#11
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	When we get players who catch balls on a consistant basis, throw accurate balls on a consistant basis, and not cause stupid nickel and dime penalites such as false starts and delay of game penalities...

11-21-2004, 10:57 PM	#12
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	The drop's and the penalties didn't lose this game it may of helped to make the game closer but that's about it, what lost this game is Gibb's obsession with conservative play, he believes every defense we play is the 85' bear's, you can't even blame Ramsey for not finding reciever's open down field because you could see the way he dropped back and got rid of the ball that the ball was going short no matter what, a QB need's to know his coach has confidence in him so he can relax and play, Gibb's has Ramsey walking on egg shell's, his play calling is essentially telling him I know you can't play QB, Gibb's is sitting on top of a powder keg right now, the defensive side of the ball has kept their mouth's shut, but up until now they have recieved all the credit for anything positive, now they are starting to wear down and don't like the fact that their giving up point's and their going to look to blame someone, GUESS WHO? Brunell is out Ramsey is in there is only 1 other place to look and that's Gibb's, he's coaching football like a worried mother, he better remember that football is a man's game!

11-21-2004, 11:03 PM	#14
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Ramseyfan, no one here has said that Gibbs doesn't get any blame. Sure he made a mistake on Brunell...did he make the mistake of talking Greg Williams into coming to Washington?

11-21-2004, 11:05 PM	#15
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Of course not. Gibbs gets a LOT of credit for heavily recruiting Williams. Without Gibbs I doubt we would have gotten Williams. Gibbs flew up to NY in the middle of the night to snag him before he signed with someone else. My understanding is that Williams was about to sign with another team but Gibbs' trip changed his mind.

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