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CRedskinsRule · 05-17-2011, 11:17 PM

On Sirius (seriously he was on!) I counted at least three blatant, imo, fallacies that D Smith is trying to get people to believe -

1) the deal on the table at the end of mediation was the worst deal in the history of sports. It is a fallacy because regardless if the deal was a good or bad deal, I am confident that the players from the before the early 80s (you know the ones getting maybe 200 a month if they are lucky) was far worse. Rather than stick with a semi valid line that the deal was worse than any since collective bargaining started or some other line he chooses to demonize the other side and misrepresent the truth when the truth could still be seen favoring his side.

2). The owners are the first to ever sue to lock their doors, or something to that effect, again the players were the plaintiffs and filed suit, the owners appealed that decision but that is not the same as suing to shut the doors and as a legal minded individual D Smith certainly understands that. The owners were definitely seeking to shut their doors, but let's be honest and admit that that is a valid labor tool that has been used before. Also I believe the players have gone on strike in the past so both sides have used their tools when it serves their purpose.

3) the last one is a little more touchy, but basically "the players and fan want football and the owners don't". This, if he truly believes it is lunacy. The owners clearly want football, on their terms, just as much as the players want football, on their terms. Both sides need to drop concern for the fans because it is tangential at best. As for DSmiths statement again it is hyperbole meant to demonize the owners and galvanize the players. I don't see how that leads to a resolution any time soon.

This goes to what JR was saying, D Smith truly wants to dazzle people with grandiose (BS) statements - worst deal ever, first league to sue to shut doors. Rather then speak in terms which draw sides closer, he uses words to widen the gap, and push the sides apart. Granted the nfl may use words without meaning, but when they talk their words are on point about working together, getting a deal done, trying to make something that is good for players and owners. You don't here those words from D Smith right now.

05-17-2011, 11:17 PM	#77
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,702	On Sirius (seriously he was on!) I counted at least three blatant, imo, fallacies that D Smith is trying to get people to believe - 1) the deal on the table at the end of mediation was the worst deal in the history of sports. It is a fallacy because regardless if the deal was a good or bad deal, I am confident that the players from the before the early 80s (you know the ones getting maybe 200 a month if they are lucky) was far worse. Rather than stick with a semi valid line that the deal was worse than any since collective bargaining started or some other line he chooses to demonize the other side and misrepresent the truth when the truth could still be seen favoring his side. 2). The owners are the first to ever sue to lock their doors, or something to that effect, again the players were the plaintiffs and filed suit, the owners appealed that decision but that is not the same as suing to shut the doors and as a legal minded individual D Smith certainly understands that. The owners were definitely seeking to shut their doors, but let's be honest and admit that that is a valid labor tool that has been used before. Also I believe the players have gone on strike in the past so both sides have used their tools when it serves their purpose. 3) the last one is a little more touchy, but basically "the players and fan want football and the owners don't". This, if he truly believes it is lunacy. The owners clearly want football, on their terms, just as much as the players want football, on their terms. Both sides need to drop concern for the fans because it is tangential at best. As for DSmiths statement again it is hyperbole meant to demonize the owners and galvanize the players. I don't see how that leads to a resolution any time soon. This goes to what JR was saying, D Smith truly wants to dazzle people with grandiose (BS) statements - worst deal ever, first league to sue to shut doors. Rather then speak in terms which draw sides closer, he uses words to widen the gap, and push the sides apart. Granted the nfl may use words without meaning, but when they talk their words are on point about working together, getting a deal done, trying to make something that is good for players and owners. You don't here those words from D Smith right now.