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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule
Also nc_skins, let the players go to the cfl or ufl or open a new league see what revenues they pull in versus the nfl with replacement players with the tv contracts in place, the stadium leases signed and all the other parts that the ownership maintains. I am willing to bet that the players as a group won't be matching that 4billion dollar mark. While the NFL and established teams would.
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I assure you, any market that arose out of the NFL destruction would hit those same figures if not more. Why? Because we the fans demand that type of entertainment, and another league (with the same current NFL players) could provide that same entertainment. (same rules..etc.) The only thing that would change is the letters NFL to (insert 3 letters of your choice). Why? Because TV would still pay that same figure to that league if fans wanted it. (and we would) Don't believe me? Try switching the NFL and UFL players. Would you continue to watch the Redskins? Probably not, and neither would I. Why? Because of the talent level drop off.
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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule
Out of the 1700 players there are a handful that are true exceptionals, ie manning brees etc but for every manning the league would most likely find a brady in the udfa or fletcher or other man who might not have gotten the chance with the current rosters in place.
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No, all 1696 NFL players are exceptional. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in the NFL. Remember, the NFL is the best of the best so if you aren't in that group, chances are you aren't one of the best. It's really that simple. Now, that changes annually with newer/fresher talent, but that number still stays the same. (1696)
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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule
As for the owners opting out, they followed an agreed upon point in the last cba. The players now have said they don't want to mediate or negotiate. They want to litigate. That is their choice. Both parties have led it to this point neither is a victim and neither deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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That is not true, and I quite frankly don't even know where you came up with that nonsense. The owners have been denying the players union to see the books for 2 years now all the while claiming profit loss and telling them to "trust them". The NFLPA has no other recourse but to do litigation when the owners aren't willing to concede to that request. Nobody is going to negotiate off of "trust me" when it comes to money. Would you? Nope. Both parties haven't led to this. I showed you in detail how the owners have been preparing to opt out since they signed the last CBA in 2006. The players were fine with the current CBA, they are willing to go back to the current CBA. I think you are failing to realize that whole concept.
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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule
1) nflpa has decertified rather than mediate
2) after decertification smith continued to try and get 10 yrs of data under the false pretense of being a legitimate bargaining entity.
3) players have seen unparallelled salary growth in the last 10 years as the result of a solid advantage gained in the last cba
4) owners acted within their legal rights when they opted out, and both parties could have tried to mediate and solve this issue
5) tom cruise doesn't get 50% of a movie studios box receipt and pavarotti doesn't ask to see all the books at that opera house, only the box office take that he brings in and both pavarotti and the operahouse enjoy success with that arrangement
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1) Wrong. They decertified after every last effort was exhausted. The owners have denied them access to the books for two years and still weren't going to show them the books even at this last deadline. Read the quote from the federal mediator below.
NFLPA decertifies, files antitrust suit against league - ESPN
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"The parties have not achieved an overall agreement, nor have they been able to resolve the strongly held competing positions that separated them on core issues, mediator George Cohen said. "No useful purpose would be served by requesting the parties to continue the mediation process at this time."
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2) as far as that Smith claim? What? Here is what Smith had to say.
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"I would dare any one of you to pull out any economic indicator that would suggest that the National Football League is falling on hard times," NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said. "The last 14 days, the National Football League has said, 'Trust us.' But when it came time for verification, they told us it was none of our business."
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3) 1696 players splitting 4 billion compared to 32 people splitting 5 billion. Who's making out better?
4)Actually the owners didn't handle things legally hence Doty ruled that the NFL acted against the players when it negotiated its TV contract.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/sp...all/02nfl.html
They were trying to gain all the leverage when they opted out so they'd still get 4 billion even during the lockout. Also the players are within their legal rights to decertify after all attempts at negotiation have been exhausted. (see fed mediator's quote)
5) Tom Cruise gets a fee and most likely a percentage of the overall profits and dvd sales. I bet you they do indeed see the numbers on those profits. Also, Pavarotti didn't have to operate like that since he wasn't under a contract with one opera house. However, if he was and said opera house was making money hand over fist and asked him to reduce his pay, I imagine he would have or left. (as would any of us)