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Originally Posted by The Huddle
Thank you for telling me what I already know- that I'm entitled to my opinion. You can't imagine the relief on this end. I had begun to fear that perhaps my failure to "learn" was going to get my yard priviledges yanked.
If you feel it is your duty to disagree with me, wonderful- I welcome it. However, I would caution that if you honestly think you are capable of "stopping" the 'he just wins' theory- or of "stopping" any school of thought anywhere about anything for that matter -well, I'm afraid you're simply dellusional. Like the rest of us (including me), you're just a fan having fun spouting off in an insignificant corner of cyberspace- nothing more. You have no effective connection to the teams, players, or events in question.
Once again, you are completey dismissive of the whole idea that it's ultimately about getting it done in the clutch- i.e., getting it done under pressure. This is not suprising, as it has been cited numerous times int his thread and elsewhere that this is where your beloved Mr. Manning is the weakest.
You can disagree all you want to that this is an abstract idea that no one really understands, but as I watched a recap of the 1981 NFC title game (January of '82) between the 49ers and Cowboys, Bill Walsh refered several times to Joe Montana's ability to "perform under pressure"- i.e., in the clutch. The fact that Walsh, a Hall of Fame coach, not only grasps the concept but cites it as Monatna's single greatest strength not only means that he feels there must be others out there who understand it as well, but also pretty much obliterates your insistance that this is a meaningless concept (in that I think most folks are going to defer to Walsh over you when it comes to pontificating on this game- no offense).
I do agree with your statement that "I doubt you could explain it to me", but that says more about you than the concept. All you're really saying is that since you can't understand it, no one can.
If, as you say, "Individual records mean nothing...It's certain statistics that matter," I can only imagine that you feel you are exactly the sort of individual who should determine just what those "certain" statistics are. What's also suprising is that it's the passing numbers, the individual statistics, that provide the only real backbone to the "Manning is the best quaterback on the planet" case you've been trying to make.
And again, with the comment that "comebacks are every bit as much luck as skill", you have reverted to your well-worn tactic of attributing Brady's success to the inexplicable intervention of some voodoo-like football shaman somewhere. Amazing.
No, the real "bottom line" is that just because you make a blanket statement that Team A would be better off with Manning than Brady doesn't make it so. In fact, if Team A were getting ready to take the field in a Super Bowl game, it's virtually impossible to see them not going with a 2-time Super Bowl MVP- a "been there, done that" quaterback with a history if getting it done in the clutch - over any other active quarterback. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
PS- "The Patriots seem to be the more soundly coached team, though I'm tired of people kissing Belichicks ass for winning with the best team."
What exactly are you trying to say here? Isn't he part of what makes them the best team, if in fact that's what they are? Should they be kissing his ass for losing with the best team? Kicking his ass for winning with the worst team?
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Luck obviously plays a big outcome in the game. Seriously ask anyone. Not even joking. A bunch of things can be controlled by no player or coach.
Every term you use can be defined by you. You don't need someone to do it for you. This is your arguement, not someone elses. Just say "clutch refers to all situations in which a QB leads his team from behind to win with 5 mins remaining or less on the clock" or even simpler "clutch=the NFL definition of 4th Quarter/Overtime game winning drives". It's simple, just don't be making assumptions. Once you actually define your terms, you can see who is more clutch, or who performes better under pressure. You may find yourself correct, or dead wrong, but at least you'll know.
If your definition is "clutch=winning playoff games", thats fine, but then clutch is obviously team dependant. In that case it would say little about Brady.
In the regular season there are about 150 starts for Manning and about 100 starts for Brady. In the playoffs there are 13 starts for Brady and 11 for Manning. You can see which season will produce sounder results.
If you look at the playoffs seperate from the regular season, you'll have a tough time proving anything about the playoffs. Theres just not enough games to work with.
You're a pretty intelligent person, I'm sure none of this is too much for you. Just a little research, thats all.