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Originally Posted by GTripp0012
Well, if you bring contract size into it, you may very well have an arguement. One could potentially attribute the Colts inability to have a consistent defensive threat to keep them in games to the fact that Manning's contract is so freakin massive.
But if so, I'm confused as to why you open your post by listing some talented players from the Colts' D. Whats your arguement? That the Colts have and have had a better defensive unit than the Patriots? On what basis?
FRPLG hits this one directly on the head. If you take Manning off the Colts, you have a really piss poor football team. If you take Brady off the Patriots, the team gets significantly worse but only probably to a 8-8 maybe 7-9 level. This of course implys that a replacement level backup (i.e crappy) would take the reins in both situations.
If the question was which quarterback has had the more fufilling career, the answer is Brady. If the question was which quarterback has ultimately been more successful, the answer is Brady. Citing three championships would be a great defense for both of those positions. But if you are trying to answer the simple questions "Which guy is the best?" or "Which one should I take on my team?", you have to look beyond rings to who actually gives his team the best chance to win. 3 rings does crap for Brady going foward. You think Robert Mathis will have Brady wrapped up this week for a sack, only let him go on the context that the guys a three time champion? Not likely.
From a philosophical point of view, I think the whole idea of "winning a ring" is BS anyway. Stay with me. Football is a team game. The players and coaches win and lose as a team. A ring is very much an individual award, and to me thats a crappy way to represent a team achievement. The Lombardi Trophy is the most soughtafter trophy in sports. It is awarded to the team who wins the NFL Championship each year. It's a team award given for team achievement. Playing for a ring is, at its core, a rather selfish thing to strive for. In effect, you are exerting effort for personal gain, instead of that of the team. Playing for a championship, and playing for a trophy for your team is completely selfless. If you are wondering, this is a very key reason why I put no value into how many "rings" a guy has.
I know that there is little distinction between the two because they come as a package, but the ring would be completely worthless if it didn't represent team achievement, so to use it as an arguement for individual achivement is downright silly.
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I get what your saying, and I understand its a team effort, but a QB has a bigger responsibility than most other players on the team, hes looked at as the leader and cant buckle under pressure. Brady is a cold-blooded leader, plain and simple, Peyton folds to much in important games, and I would much rather have Tom Brady who may not be as athletic a QB as Peyton Manning yet he has that extra something that just makes average athletes great QBs, I guess many people say they have that look in there eyes. Peyton Manning is an incredible player, to me hes the next best QB in the league behind Tom Brady, but to say that the colts would be a horrible team without Peyton is a stretch, and to say that the Patriots would still be average without Brady is laughable, Tom Brady is the glue that holds that team together, just read interviews about him made by players on his team. But I do see where your coming from and Ill ask you this, would you rather have a great fantasy football QB leading your team or would you rather have a 3-time Champion QB leading your team?