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I know it is a long shot, cause we are basically a little better than average this year, but it would be a great to get in a game against you guys again!!

And I will say now, If the Cowboys get in and play Washington, I will be at that game!!!!!!!!

(Yeah i know, easy for me to say we have like a 7% chance of getting in!)

but maybe Santa has one last gift for all the Cowboys fans in his Bag? Or is that coal and I am daydreaming...

[size=6]AND[/size], I would like to add that I called Washington to make the playoffs and maybe the divisional title/bye since Game 8. Check my old posts, it's there.

I called you guys Scary since Game 8. Props accepted below.....

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]I know it is a long shot, cause we are basically a little better than average this year, but it would be a great to get in a game against you guys again!!

And I will say now, If the Cowboys get in and play Washington, I will be at that game!!!!!!!!

(Yeah i know, easy for me to say we have like a 7% chance of getting in!)

but maybe Santa has one last gift for all the Cowboys fans in his Bag? Or is that coal and I am daydreaming...

[size=6]AND[/size], I would like to add that I called Washington to make the playoffs and maybe the divisional title/bye since Game 8. Check my old posts, it's there.

I called you guys Scary since Game 8. Props accepted below.....[/QUOTE]

Haha I guess you can recieve some props, and it would not be that bad if we played you guys.

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It is a possibility....but I don't like playing a team three times.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]It is a possibility....but I don't like playing a team three times.[/QUOTE]

It could very well happen with the Giants, and we would have to play them at their stadium.

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how could the Skins, Giants and Cowboys all make it? I know Giants are guaranteed.

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]how could the Skins, Giants and Cowboys all make it? I know Giants are guaranteed.[/QUOTE]

I do not know how that can happen, but I am no expert. But I was saying that we can play the Giants in the playoffs making it three times we have played them this season.

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It can happen, from my understanding, IF.....Giants win they win division, skins win they win a wild card, cowboys win and panthers lose cowboys get the 2nd wild card.....

From what I have heard/read the cowboys are in if the skins or panthers lose and the cowboys win.....they would be over the skins because of a better record and over the panthers because of head to head matchup and same record.......if all 3 lose I believe it is skins and panthers in, cowboys out......

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[QUOTE=Yellow31]It can happen, from my understanding, IF.....Giants win they win division, skins win they win a wild card, cowboys win and panthers lose cowboys get the 2nd wild card.....

From what I have heard/read the cowboys are in if the skins or panthers lose and the cowboys win.....they would be over the skins because of a better record and over the panthers because of head to head matchup and same record.......if all 3 lose I believe it is skins and panthers in, cowboys out......[/QUOTE]



you are almost 100% correct. the only thing i see wrong is your reason for dallas edging out carolina. dal. would beat them by vertue of a better conference record, not because of head to head. dallas would be 8-4 and carolina would be 7-5. it would go to head to head if their conference records were the same.

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I think yellow31 is correct.

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if dallas + redskins both win and simply carolina loses to Atlanta(so POssible not even funny) all three of us are in

Dallas should win
Redskins should win
Carolina is a close game against atlanta. If i was a betting man i would go with carolina but atlanta has the best shot of the 'upset' teams to upset someone

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[QUOTE=coggs]I think yellow31 is correct.[/QUOTE]




overall record
conference record
head to head.

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[QUOTE=coggs]I think yellow31 is correct.[/QUOTE]

No, the wolfeskin guy is right. It would go to their NFC record to determine who gets in.

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[QUOTE=Skintight]No, the wolfeskin guy is right. It would go to their NFC record to determine who gets in.[/QUOTE]


welcome to the board skintight, and thanx for having my back.:food-smil

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Hey buddy, all us skin fans gotta stay skintight,

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Got to disagree on this 1 guys......with 2 teams its head to head if applicable, which it would be because cowboys beat Car.

Even with 3 it would be only if 1 had beaten BOTH the others.

Conference would be next though.

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wolfe is right if there is a three way tie in this situation it goes to a conference but if one team had lost to both teams they would be out or if one team beat the other two they would be in. After that it goes to tiebreaker by conference

That is why if the steelers tied with the jags and the chargers they would have been out even though they beat the chargers

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]Got to disagree on this 1 guys......with 2 teams its head to head if applicable, which it would be because cowboys beat Car.

Even with 3 it would be only if 1 had beaten BOTH the others.

Conference would be next though.[/QUOTE]



no, why do you think the skins were in position to beat the cowboys ,dallas and minnesota ? it was because the skins have the best record inside of their conference ( NFC ). now if two or more teams have identical overall records and conference records then it goes to head to head.

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Playoff spots go in this order.
1. Division winners - This is why Patriots a playoff spot early when SD & KC had better records.
2. Overall Record
3. Conference record - If it's b/n division teams, then it's division record, but if it's b/n 2 teams from different conferences, then they go with the team with the best record in the conference. A team that was 5-7 wouldn't get in over a team that is 8-4 in the conference regardless of head-2-head.

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Head-2-head is only used if the 2 teams have the same conference record.

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[url="http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/nfl_tiebreakers.htm"]http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/nfl_tiebreakers.htm[/url]

Yellow was right. We would go if 3 way tier between us Cowboys and Car because head to head would not apply because we did not play Car. It would then go to CONF record because teams are from diff divisions!!!

Head to head is ALWAYS 1st tie break.

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Three or More Teams
*If two clubs remain tied after a third is eliminated during any step, the tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-team format.

Start by eliminating all but the highest ranked club in each division by using the divisional tiebreaker above. After the field has been narrowed to no more than one team from each division, the following tiebreakers are used:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Conference Record
3. Common Games (minimum of four)
4. Strength of Victory
5. Strength of Schedule
6. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
7. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Net Points (conference games)
9. Net Points (all games)
10. Net Touchdowns (all games)
11. Coin toss

* Wild-Card tie breakers are also used to determine home-field advantage.
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I am almost positive that the first step there should have more explaination.

Head to head is used but only if one team has beaten all of the other teams or if one team has been beaten by all of the other teams

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Team 1-Has beaten team 2 and has a 6-6 conference record
Team 2-Has lost to team 1 and has a 8-4 confernce record
Team 3-Never played team 1 or 2 and has a 10-2 conference record

So if team 1 has played team 2 and won but team 1 has not played team 3 it would go to conference record and team 1 has the worst conference record and is eliminated even though it has beaten team 2

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Yeah, Yellow31 is correct.

Head to head comes BEFORE conference records when determining wild-cards.

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i'm confused because it also says that a team can win it's division by head to head , even if it has a worse divisional record than another team within the same division.:frusty:

in other words it's saying that the skins could have a division record of 2-4 ,while dallas has a division record of 4-2. the skins would win the division because their 2 division victories were against dallas.

makes no sense.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i'm confused because it also says that a team can win it's division by head to head , even if it has a worse divisional record than another team within the same division.:frusty:

in other words it's saying that the skins could have a division record of 2-4 ,while dallas has a division [color=black]record [/color]of 4-2. the skins would win the division because their 2 division victories were against dallas.

makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Yah that is true about the division
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But as i said if a team has beaten ALL ALL ALL of the others competing for the wildcard with the same overall record they get in for sure or if they have lost to ALL ALL ALL the others competing for the wildcard with the same overall ranking they don't get in.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers"]http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers[/url]

[b]TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM[/b]
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. ...........

[b]Three or More Clubs[/b]
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
[b][color=red][size=3]2. Head-to-head sweep. [/size][size=4](Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)[/size][/color][/b]
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

sheesh i was beginning to doubt myself. I should learn not to do that. SO in conclusion Wolfe is right. Dallas did not "SWEEP" us and carolina so they go because of conference record ...............
.................... I THINK? no no no I am pretty sure...?

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(For all you native Washingtonians that listen to 93.9 WKYS in the morning)
(in the voice of Rodney the Rat) ALLLL I KNOW IS, all we gotta do is win and we are in!
We can meet the Gynts, Cowpukes whoever after that...we will sort that out then....come wit' it...WHOEVER!!!!!

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You guys lost me, with all that mess, but if you have the same overall record head to head is the first tie breaker, that is why we can't leap frog Tampa if we have the same record. We have the better conference record than Tampa, but we lost the head to head. Same would apply for Carolina and Dallas if they have the same overall record Dallas would go due to the head to head win this past week.

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all i know is alot of good things would happen to the redskins if we ended up playing the cowboys in the playoffs that would be at fed ex.lets root for that

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[QUOTE=skins052bgr8]You guys lost me, with all that mess, but if you have the same overall record head to head is the first tie breaker, that is why we can't leap frog Tampa if we have the same record. We have the better conference record than Tampa, but we lost the head to head. Same would apply for Carolina and Dallas if they have the same overall record Dallas would go due to the head to head win this past week.[/QUOTE]

Tampa has the MOST to loose of they loose to New Orleans on Sunday. If Tampa looses and Carolina wins, then Carolina wins the NFC South and Tampa would have to hope for a Cowboys loss to get in.

For the Redskins I am very enviuos, all you have to do is beat Philly and you are in.

For Dallas there are 3 possible scenarios:

1. [b]Dallas beats St Louis and Washington looses to Philly[/b]. Highly unlikely, but the only way Dallas gets in OVER Washington is to finish the regular season with a better over all record than Washington.

2. [b]Dallas beats St Louis and Carolina looses to Atlanta[/b]. Dallas owns the #1 tie breaker with the win in Carolina last weekend.

3. [b]Dallas beats St Louis and Tampa Bay looses to New Orleans.[/b] This is where it gets tricky. If Carolina wins and Tampa looses in this scenario, then Tampa is out of the playoffs. Carolina would win the NFC South. Washington would get the first wildcard and the #5 seed and Dallas would win the second wild card and the #6 seed. Dallas owns the #3 tie breaker on Tampa. They have four common opponents and Dallas beat the 49ers in week 3 and the Bucs lost to S.F. in week 8.

But for the Redskins it is "win and you're in" where as for me I will be rubbing the fur off of a rabbits foot all day on Sunday since Dallas plays the Sunday night game.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i'm confused because it also says that a team can win it's division by head to head , even if it has a worse divisional record than another team within the same division.:frusty:

in other words it's saying that the skins could have a division record of 2-4 ,while dallas has a division record of 4-2. the skins would win the division because their 2 division victories were against dallas.

makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Both teams have SAME overall record. One team swept the other....What sense would it make to send the team that Lost to the other twice to the playoffs?

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[QUOTE=44deisel44][url="http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/nfl_tiebreakers.htm"]http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/nfl_tiebreakers.htm[/url]

Yellow was right. We would go if 3 way tier between us Cowboys and Car because head to head would not apply because we did not play Car. It would then go to CONF record because teams are from diff divisions!!!

Head to head is ALWAYS 1st tie break.[/QUOTE]diesal is right ..:coach: ..the link explains it head to head then conference...:yeahright we win we are in [size=6]yea !![/size][size=1] we lose we could be in some trouble.[/size]

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]Both teams have SAME overall record. One team swept the other....What sense would it make to send the team that Lost to the other twice to the playoffs?[/QUOTE]no sense at all thats why it wont happen...we win we are in:woot: .dallas :insane: wins and we [size=1]looooos[/size](well i cant bring my self to say the word)[size=1].because [/size][size=3]we are gonna pound the shit out of em, in philly.:spank: [/size]

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how is this going to happen because Dallas isn't getting in..point blank period!!!!

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]Both teams have SAME overall record. One team swept the other....What sense would it make to send the team that Lost to the other twice to the playoffs?[/QUOTE]



it would make perfect sense to me. why declare a team the winner of a division if its division record is worse than the team it swept. thats why there are more than two teams in a division.


example:
skins 10-6, 4-2 in the division
dallas 10-6, 3-3 in the division
philly 10-6, 3-3 in the division
N.Y. 10-6, 2-4 in the division but swept skins
N.Y. would win the division. thats why it makes no sense to me.

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Hey, we are currently 9-2 in the NFC and IF we beat Philly we will be 5-1 in the NFC EAST (swept the Cowboys-2, swept the Eagles-2, split with the Giants-1/1) that is why if the ONLY thing we have to do is win...if it comes down to a tie with another team (record-wise), we are dominant in the division and WE WIN....

Como esta el YAAAAAAY!!! (thanks for that one-CrankYankers)

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]it would make perfect sense to me. why declare a team the winner of a division if its division record is worse than the team it swept. thats why there are more than two teams in a division.


example:
skins 10-6, 4-2 in the division
dallas 10-6, 3-3 in the division
philly 10-6, 3-3 in the division
N.Y. 10-6, 2-4 in the division but swept skins
N.Y. would win the division. thats why it makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=ladyfan06]Hey, we are currently 9-2 in the NFC and IF we beat Philly we will be 5-1 in the NFC EAST (swept the Cowboys-2, swept the Eagles-2, split with the Giants-1/1) that is why if the ONLY thing we have to do is win...if it comes down to a tie with another team (record-wise), we are dominant in the division and WE WIN....

Como esta el YAAAAAAY!!! (thanks for that one-CrankYankers)[/QUOTE]


yea , i know. i'm just giving an example of how a team can win its division .

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So if a team beats another team TWICE it shouldnt matter (even with same overall record) as long as the other has better DIVISIONAL rec? I am so glad you dont control the playoff tiebreakers......You beat a team TWICE i hope NFL considers you as better team ( as long as same overall record that is)

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]So if a team beats another team TWICE it shouldnt matter (even with same overall record) as long as the other has better DIVISIONAL rec? I am so glad you dont control the playoff tiebreakers......You beat a team TWICE i hope NFL considers you as better team ( as long as same overall record that is)[/QUOTE]



just because you beat a team twice does not make you the better of the two teams for the playoffs, it just means that you have that teams number(so to speak) just because you beat a team twice should not be the reason you win the division, if you lose to everyone else in the division. once again, thats why there are more than 2 teams in a division. yea you might beat a team twice but lose to all the other teams, while i lose twice to you but beat all the other teams, my team should be the best team in the division, i beat everyone except you but you could'nt beat anyone but me. were talking about winning a division here, being the best out of a group, were not talking about being able to beat one particular team within that group.

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I hear ya. But these days Divisions play divisions so there would be more COMMON foes as well....(I agree to disagree) HAIL SKINS BABY!!!!!

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]I hear ya. But these days Divisions play divisions so there would be more COMMON foes as well....(I agree to disagree) HAIL SKINS BABY!!!!![/QUOTE]

i agree to disagree as well :food-smil . my arguement does't really matter anyway seeing as how they go by head to head, i just like the other way better but oh well, what are ya gonna do? we just need the skins to win, it would truly be sweet.

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It's all explianed here:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9055604[/url]