"Donovan McNabb: Mediocre at Best" Article
 

Here is the [URL=http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002540.html]article[/URL] ...what do you guys think? Is it too much or just about right?

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I like how he used our very own Doug Williams as an example of a real pocket passer

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I like how he used our very own Doug Williams as an example of a real pocket passer[/QUOTE]

I don't buy it. The guy led his team to four consecutive NFC Championship games and racked up impressive stats along the way. He's well above mediocre.

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I just dont get it at all...he played the race card because he doesnt run as much? And he should have given his bonus money to Owens or Westbrook?

Seriously, I actually just dont understand the criticism or argument here. I have no idea what this guy is trying to say.

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While I do think McNabb is a bit of a choke artist, calling him mediocre is just retarded. He is the #1 reason why the Eagles have been tops in the NFC for the last four years, and has made several Pro Bowls. Look how far the Eagles have fallen, without him running the show. If being a choke artist is all it takes to be considered mediocre, you'd have to include Peyton Manning(until this year, perhaps) and Dan Marino in the same sentence.

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Most of Dan Patrick's show today was devoted to this subject!

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hes better than mediocre, but i still think he's overrated...he's still a good qb though

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I find it humorous that someone just saying this is actual news. JUST IN JUST IN SOMEONE CALLED DMAC MEDIOCRE READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

This has been discussed all over ESPN and on the radio. I just can't believe someone saying something about a player is actual news within itself. The race card was pulled and it is idiotic so why entertain this stupid article all over the national media?

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Choke artist? OK, but what does that or not giving some money from his contract to T.O. have to do with race?! Mcnabb might be overated but what do eagles fans have to compare to really? Randall got them to how many superbowls? Jaws? Come on! Mcnabb has shown nothing other than playing his heart out every week and leading his team to 4 straight conference championship games. Mcnabb giving some of his well earned contract money to the biggest pain the ass WR ever would solve nothing!!

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redskin's fan should know better than anyone ...that he has made plays under intense pressure and pass rush that few others could make like last year on sunday night .that was all mc nabb... medicore my ass

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let the eagles keep T.O. and trade us mcnabb,ramsey,brunell,and rogers i would trade to the eagles for mcnabb

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the last time i checked mcscabb was not playing defense. that is the big reason they won all those games. btw, if he was soooo goood, then why did philly sell there soul to get terrible owens? if mcscabb couldn't run around, he'd be using his degree from syracuse and delivering pizzas.

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NY_Skinsfan and I were debating last night whether to post this article. The whole insulting his race by not running argument I just don't get at all

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[QUOTE=giacomo2]if mcscabb couldn't run around, he'd be using his degree from syracuse and delivering pizzas.[/QUOTE]

I take offense to that. What makes you think with his degree he would be delivering pizza as opposed to working for some big Marketing/PR company?

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Yeah... He's alot better than mediocre... and I'll bet that more NAACP members know McNabb's name than the idiot who is supposedly heading it up... which probalby prompted the entire article. I'd be willing to bet dinner that McNabb could actually write an article with less mistakes and not have a team of editors tearing through it like this clown.

What a joke.. and I hate McNabb, but he is a great QB. (granted I thougth he should've choked TO out a couple of times) He makes great on the fly decisions and got his team to the NFC champ. game 3 years in a row with their best wideout being James Thrash (who I think the world of, but he's our number 3 and we're having reciever issues).

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He is certainly above mediocre but lets be honest he isn't in the league with other top qbs. He doesn't throw well, makes average decisions at best and doesn't run like he used. He has a ton of intangibles though and always seems to make big plays when they need them and that puts him way above mediocre.

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The author of the article is claiming that McNabb is not being black by not running as much, and for not giving some of his paycheck to TO, somebody who outwardly criticized him on more than one occasion for no reason, and Westbrook. It is a ridiculous arguement. So Donovan might not be considered the best in the league, he is far from mediocre. Stupid arguement from a stupid black man

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For whatever reason, some people love to demean this guy's talents. He's obviously a big part of why the Eagles have been so successful over the years. I think the media loves to attack someone who has class.

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Backup QB Mike McMahon isn't [URL=http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13392966.htm]white enough[/URL]

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Backup QB Mike McMahon isn't [url="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13392966.htm"]white enough[/url][/QUOTE]

He translated the idea of how completely stupid the other article really is.

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As much as i hate the Eagles, Mcnabb has been nothing short of impressive during the regular season, before he got injured. True, he couldn't win the big games, but he is definitely not a mediocre quarterback.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Backup QB Mike McMahon isn't [URL=http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13392966.htm]white enough[/URL][/QUOTE]

great satire!

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]He translated the idea of how completely stupid the other article really is.[/QUOTE]

Exactly

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I followed Mcnabb a little bit in college, and he has always been a strong quarterback - both in leadership qualities and talent. Mcnabb has lead the Eagles to what, four NFC Championship appearances? Of course, only one of those he actually won, but even then, I don't believe T.O. was playing in that game.

Believe me, if McNabb wanted to become a Redskin, I'd sign him in a heartbeat.

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why in the heck would any redskin fan give a rip about mcnabb during cowboy elimination week?

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[QUOTE=giacomo2]the last time i checked mcscabb was not playing defense. that is the big reason they won all those games. btw, if he was soooo goood, then why did philly sell there soul to get terrible owens? if mcscabb couldn't run around, he'd be using his degree from syracuse and delivering pizzas.[/QUOTE]

That the Eagles had to trade for T.O. even though they had Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, and Gregg Lewis speaks volumes about McNabb's inability to play. I mean Mitchell, Pinkston, and Lewis are Pro-Bowlers. Oh never mind, they stink. McNabb has done more with less than any other QB in the league.

Apparently you don't like McNabb because he's one hell of a QB.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]He is certainly above mediocre but lets be honest he isn't in the league with other top qbs. He doesn't throw well, makes average decisions at best and doesn't run like he used. He has a ton of intangibles though and always seems to make big plays when they need them and that puts him way above mediocre.[/QUOTE]

If I had to draft a QB, the only ones I'd take before McNabb would be Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and Tom Brady. The guy is definately one of the elite QBs in the league. As you point out, he's a playmaker.

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Up until last season I wasen't that big on McNabb, I thought he would be better coming out of college, but he really established himself in my book as a very good QB last year, looks like all he needed was a legitamate dominate force at WR and he was on his way. This guy rips him for this season? Are you kidding me, Owens is out he has no one to throw to, and he's playing with a hernia, and thats not enough, don't know what else he could do under the circumstances. As for the Williams comparison, Williams was never as good as McNabb, Williams was a ground beaking QB, and had a monster game against a highly overmatched defense in the Broncos, but that team carried him into that game, Williams job was to just not lose it. McNabb on the other hand is a difference maker, and one of the main reasons the Eagles have been as good as they have been over the coarse of the last 4 years.

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JUST A CLEAR CUT EXAMPLE OF BLACK ON BLACK CRIME..... I hate this because it becomes a debate again, IF Black QB are smart enough or good enough to play the position, This is worse the Racist Lambargh, saying that... I'll say this only reason that it a debate it because of FEAR, and if anyone makes comments about black QB's and if they can play....probably because there afraid that the on position that the league can't giveway too........JUST LIKE GOLF...NOW THAT WERE PLAYING THAT, WATCH OUT AMERICA :stop:

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]JUST A CLEAR CUT EXAMPLE OF BLACK ON BLACK CRIME..... I hate this because it becomes a debate again, IF Black QB are smart enough or good enough to play the position, This is worse the Racist Lambargh, saying that... I'll say this only reason that it a debate it because of FEAR, and if anyone makes comments about black QB's and if they can play....probably because there afraid that the on position that the league can't giveway too........JUST LIKE GOLF...NOW THAT WERE PLAYING THAT, WATCH OUT AMERICA :stop:[/QUOTE]
Look this is a good site with good people ..why start a racial flame war.. telling peoople to watch out?????? if u notice most people on here supported mc nabb...so please if this turns ugly please shut this thread down..

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The mcnabb & vick style of QB is not the style of QB (run & athletic) that wins super bowls. I'd mauch rather have Tom Brady, P. Manning style (pro style pocket QB). That way of playing the position works best in the pro game.

Is Mcnabb average, I think he's better than that but not the great player the media makes him out to be.

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I'd love to suffer through having a mediocre talent like McNabb.

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[QUOTE=giacomo2]the last time i checked mcscabb was not playing defense. that is the big reason they won all those games. btw, if he was soooo goood, then why did philly sell there soul to get terrible owens? if mcscabb couldn't run around, he'd be using his degree from syracuse and delivering pizzas.[/QUOTE]

Man I don't know what games you were watching, but Philly's defense was always average - they were successfull because of a high-scoring, high-powered offense. McNabb threw for one 300+ yard game after another.

To answer your question as to why the Eagles drafted Owens if McNabb was so good, has it occured to you that, generally speaking, it's nice for a QB to have a target to throw to? Or do you think that good QBs just throw to large empty spaces downfield and they magically turn into touchdowns?

Where would Steve Young and Joe Montana have been without Jerry Rice? Where would Peyton Manning be without Marvin Harrison? Look what happened to Daunte Culpepper after Randy Moss left. Hell, look at Brunell before Santana Moss.

I sort of can't believe I just typed all this in response to such an asinine post.

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[QUOTE=irish]The mcnabb & vick style of QB is not the style of QB (run & athletic) that wins super bowls. I'd mauch rather have Tom Brady, P. Manning style (pro style pocket QB). That way of playing the position works best in the pro game.

Is Mcnabb average, I think he's better than that but not the great player the media makes him out to be.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I guess you're right - a guy who last year who completed 64% of his passes for 3800+ yards, 31 TDs, only 8 INTs for a QB rating of 104.7 is definitely spending way too much time running around. It's a shame he doesn't just stay still and pass more.

I'm not arguing that McNabb is the greatest QB ever - far from it. I do think he's a Top 5 QB and more than capable of winning a championship.

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[QUOTE=GB1]For whatever reason, some people love to demean this guy's talents. He's obviously a big part of why the Eagles have been so successful over the years. I think the media loves to attack someone who has class.[/QUOTE]

I'm with ya on that one. It baffles me that a guy who is professional, keeps his mouth shut and does his job (and does it better than most, I might add) and has the patience and maturity to not club TO to death on the sidline, manages to attract so much animosity.

There's plenty of genuinely overrated players in the league - why the hell does everyone focus in on McNabb, who has more legitimacy and stats to back it up than anyone?

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[QUOTE=mheisig]Yeah, I guess you're right - a guy who last year who completed 64% of his passes for 3800+ yards, 31 TDs, only 8 INTs for a QB rating of 104.7 is definitely spending way too much time running around. It's a shame he doesn't just stay still and pass more.

I'm not arguing that McNabb is the greatest QB ever - far from it. I do think he's a Top 5 QB and more than capable of winning a championship.[/QUOTE]


Sure he's capable of winning a championship but I'll believe that QBing style can win one when it happens.

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McNabb and Vick aren't even in the same class of QB anymore.

McNabb has transformed himself into a pocket passer while Vick is still working on that part of his game. McNabb no longer relies on scrambling like he did earlier in his career. The numbers back that up.

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[QUOTE=irish]Sure he's capable of winning a championship but I'll believe that QBing style can win one when it happens.[/QUOTE]

What exactly is "that QBing style"? If I had to catogorize McNabb, I'd say he plays a much better version of Brunells playing style. He also plays a lot like Carson Palmer, but McNabb can run when he needs to. McNabb plays nothing like Vick anymore, so I don't see the c[font='Times New Roman'][font=Verdana][size=2]orrelation.[/size][/font][/font]

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]What exactly is "that QBing style"? If I had to catogorize McNabb, I'd say he plays a much better version of Brunells playing style. He also plays a lot like Carson Palmer, but McNabb can run when he needs to. McNabb plays nothing like Vick anymore, so I don't see the c[font='Times New Roman'][font=Verdana][size=2]orrelation.[/size][/font][/font][/QUOTE]

To me it means the qb runs before its time to run and is a decent but not great passer. Much like what you see in most colleges.

I agree that McNabb is much more of a passer now than he used to be but he's not in the same passing category as Brady or P. Manning. McNabb is light years beyond Vick (who I believe is the most over-rated player in the NFL).

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Look this is a good site with good people ..why start a racial flame war.. telling peoople to watch out?????? if u notice most people on here supported mc nabb...so please if this turns ugly please shut this thread down..[/QUOTE]

Not telling people to watch out, Being Funny watch out America, here come Black QB's, its sarcasim.......Plus it shouldn't bother you....