Taylor Jacobs
 

So... what happened to the big breakout season everyone was expecting?
2 catches for 33 yards? Not very impressive.

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[QUOTE=EEich]So... what happened to the big breakout season everyone was expecting?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't quite understand the love for Taylor Jacobs. He has 21 catches in the three years he's been with Washington. Plus, he's apparently made of glass. And yet, everyone hated McCants, who was picked deeper in the draft, made less money, and was far more productive.

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well.....he's playing behind Santana, Patten, plus hes the 4th receiver on the team..... he's still here so someone on the Staff know something we dont:coach:

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The difference is that McCants had a poor work ethic in practice, according to the coaching staff, and didn't want to play special teams. He's not exactly tearing it up in Philly either.

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I think it's just a numbers game at this point. Thrash is the solid #3 and Patten is #2 for whatever reason.

Down the stretch I'd like to see Jacobs get more work, but obviously the coaches feel more comfortable with Patten and Thrash ahead of him right now... probably because of the veteran factor.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]The difference is that McCants had a poor work ethic in practice, according to the coaching staff, and didn't want to play special teams. He's not exactly tearing it up in Philly either.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, he's a weekly cut in Philly.

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I personally would LOVE to see what Jacobs can do. Many CBs say he's a great receiver. Champ said he could be the best on our team. Rogers said he was the hardest receiver he ever covered in college, etc. However, if we look at the stats for this year, what WR besides Moss really gets anything as far as catches and yards go? Most of our throws are going to Moss, Cooley, Sellers, Royal, and Portis. The #2, #3, and #4 receivers really have been used sparingly.

That said, what happened to Sean Taylor as a WR at the goal line. One thing to say: 41 inch vertical.

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Maybe we could trade him to the Eagles. I hear they are looking for a WR. He could be reunited with his buddy Mccan't.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I personally would LOVE to see what Jacobs can do. Many CBs say he's a great receiver. Champ said he could be the best on our team. Rogers said he was the hardest receiver he ever covered in college, etc. However, if we look at the stats for this year, what WR besides Moss really gets anything as far as catches and yards go? Most of our throws are going to Moss, Cooley, Sellers, Royal, and Portis. The #2, #3, and #4 receivers really have been used sparingly.

That said, what happened to Sean Taylor as a WR at the goal line. One thing to say: 41 inch vertical.[/QUOTE]

Daseal, you have said it all right here. After Brunell looks at Moss and then Cooley, Patten's route is over and he dumps to Portis or Sellers. It is a little strange, because during the last and most sucessful Gibbs team (year 1991) Monk, Clark, and Sanders all had big years. The TE or H-B did not do much back then.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I personally would LOVE to see what Jacobs can do. Many CBs say he's a great receiver. Champ said he could be the best on our team. Rogers said he was the hardest receiver he ever covered in college, etc. [/QUOTE]

The only thing is, it seems that any time he gets substantial game time, he gets hurt. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him become what everyone claims he is, but it bothers me that he's been on the roster, collecting a pay check for three years, and produced basically nothing.

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The mantra of this coaching staff is that you have to earn your way back. He was hurt in preseason, lost his job (at least he was competing for a number two or three), and now has to earn it back over Patten or Thrash. Sounds a whole lot like another guy we all know on the defense...

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Southpaw's right, I'm surprised he keeps making the team. He's always hurt in the preseason and his potential, unrealized as it may be, gets him onto the team. I would have liked to have seen Kevin Farris on the team ahead of him. Farris had a good preseason and I really didn't see much from Jacobs, he just keeps making the team because he "could" be a good receiver. At what point does the coaching staff decide that he either becomes a good receiver or becomes a free agent.

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I am satisfied with our recievers for right now. Next year I would love for us to make a serious run for Brandon Lloyd of the 49ers, he'll be a free agent.Release Jacobs and draft Santana's bro.

If that rumor of Ramsey to the Jets is true, that would be awesome for our defense and would plug some holes in our front four. then I'd spend the rest of the draft on depth at key positions. I'd also cut walt Harris ~ he sucks!

Jacobs doesn't get the playing time to develop into something of value

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If the Jets trade John Abraham for Patrick Ramsey, they're on crack. I think the world of Patrick Ramsey, but Abraham, short of his operation shutdown in the playoffs, was one of the best pass rushers in the league last year. I don't see the Skins acquiring him for their backup quarterback.

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[QUOTE=scowan]Daseal, you have said it all right here. After Brunell looks at Moss and then Cooley, Patten's route is over and he dumps to Portis or Sellers. It is a little strange, because during the last and most sucessful Gibbs team (year 1991) Monk, Clark, and Sanders all had big years. The TE or H-B did not do much back then.[/QUOTE]

Thing is we never had an h-back like Cooley back then.

He's proving to be a very valuable weapon. As Tony McGee said, you're #2 threat doesn't always have to be the #2 WR. In our system right now it's Cooley.

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gotta get on the field in order to make plays, and taylor jacobs hasnt done that. even patten and thrash havent seen the ball lately. its not like jacobs is out there dropping balls or something in the games, hes not got the game time yet. if he sucks when hes actually playing, then u have a case

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I am satisfied with our recievers for right now. Next year I would love for us to make a serious run for Brandon Lloyd of the 49ers, he'll be a free agent.Release Jacobs and draft Santana's bro.

If that rumor of Ramsey to the Jets is true, that would be awesome for our defense and would plug some holes in our front four. then I'd spend the rest of the draft on depth at key positions. I'd also cut walt Harris ~ he sucks!

Jacobs doesn't get the playing time to develop into something of value[/QUOTE]

Your saying Harris sucks based on one game, Eagles. possibly the Giants too, but everyone sucked then. Harris had been very good up until those games, making big tackles. Give him a few more games before you officially declare he sucks.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Thing is we never had an h-back like Cooley back then.

He's proving to be a very valuable weapon. As Tony McGee said, you're #2 threat doesn't always have to be the #2 WR. In our system right now it's Cooley.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Cooley really plays like our possession receiver and Sellers is our 2nd h-back/tight end. Difference between Cooley and most possession receivers is Cooley is big and can block. Both of them have great versatility. Having Cooley and Sellers out there has really helped the o-line with their inconsistent performances. It would be nice though to have a consistent "speed" receiver have some production to stretch both sides of the field, instead of the deep coverage being able to focus in only on Moss. We would be able to take more chances deep down the field with some passes (for td's).

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This is probably not for this thread, but I think we are going to need some guys down the streach to step up besides Moss and Cooley. However, it was nice to see the deep ball go to Patten in the Eagles game. He got interfered with, which lead to Seller's TD, but he was in good position to make that catch. At least he went deep and not Moss all the time. Is it me or does it seem like Cooley catches all of his ball on crossing routes or in the Flat? Moss catches the Slants and the once infamous, NOW famous WR screens. I think the Skins could exploit Moss's success by pump-faking to him and then throwing to Patten more.

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[QUOTE=scowan]Daseal, you have said it all right here. After Brunell looks at Moss and then Cooley, Patten's route is over and he dumps to Portis or Sellers. It is a little strange, because during the last and most sucessful Gibbs team (year 1991) Monk, Clark, and Sanders all had big years. The TE or H-B did not do much back then.[/QUOTE

That's not true. Don Warren, Rick Walker and Clint Didier were very instrumental in Gibb's offense and they certainly will be remembered by some of us old timers who cheered them on.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=scowan]Daseal, you have said it all right here. After Brunell looks at Moss and then Cooley, Patten's route is over and he dumps to Portis or Sellers. It is a little strange, because during the last and most sucessful Gibbs team (year 1991) Monk, Clark, and Sanders all had big years. The TE or H-B did not do much back then.[/QUOTE

That's not true. Don Warren, Rick Walker and Clint Didier were very instrumental in Gibb's offense and they certainly will be remembered by some of us old timers who cheered them on.[/QUOTE]

True, but they never had the kind of season that Cooley is having.

Cooley is on pace for 70 catches.

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[quote]Your saying Harris sucks based on one game, Eagles. possibly the Giants too, but everyone sucked then. Harris had been very good up until those games, making big tackles. Give him a few more games before you officially declare he sucks.[/quote]
Maybe it's me but Harris has been worked more than a few times this year. Notice how every time they break a big run it's to his side? I don't think that's a coincidence.

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[QUOTE=scowan]This is probably not for this thread, but I think we are going to need some guys down the streach to step up besides Moss and Cooley. However, it was nice to see the deep ball go to Patten in the Eagles game. He got interfered with, which lead to Seller's TD, but he was in good position to make that catch. At least he went deep and not Moss all the time. Is it me or does it seem like Cooley catches all of his ball on crossing routes or in the Flat? Moss catches the Slants and the once infamous, NOW famous WR screens. I think the Skins could exploit Moss's success by pump-faking to him and then throwing to Patten more.[/QUOTE]

Last week against the Eagles we may have seen the beginning of more involvement from Sellers.

The guy is a load in the open field.

Plus let's not forget about Portis who has become more involved in the passing game, and Betts had a nice catch last week too.

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I'm loving these 5 WR sets. It's like Spurrier, but waaaaaaaay better.

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The problem with Spurrier is that he would do a 5 WR set but have LOOONG developing patterns, getting Ramsey sacked.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=scowan]Daseal, you have said it all right here. After Brunell looks at Moss and then Cooley, Patten's route is over and he dumps to Portis or Sellers. It is a little strange, because during the last and most sucessful Gibbs team (year 1991) Monk, Clark, and Sanders all had big years. The TE or H-B did not do much back then.[/QUOTE

That's not true. Don Warren, Rick Walker and Clint Didier were very instrumental in Gibb's offense and they certainly will be remembered by some of us old timers who cheered them on.[/QUOTE]

Sunra, you are right about Warren, Walker and Didier to some degree, but it may be that there is a new trend at least this year in TE/HBs or whatever you want to call them. I mean if you look around the league at some teams who have winning records you find teams with one "go to" WR and one "go to" TE/HB. Examples: Skins, Chargers, Giants, Falcons, Chiefs (Gonzales is coming around). It seems like many teams like having a big brusier out there who has hands and can run you over instead of outrunning you.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Maybe it's me but Harris has been worked more than a few times this year. Notice how every time they break a big run it's to his side? I don't think that's a coincidence.[/QUOTE]


I agree. Harris has been getting worked on his side. He constantly whiffs tackles, and I've noticed also that lately he's been playing really soft coverage giving the WR's all types of cushion. Personally, I think we're better off with Carlos Rogers starting opposite of Springs. He's a much, much better tackler than Harris. And seems to be tougher against the run.

Hasn't anyone noticed that Rogers has had some forced fumbles, but we've never recovered them.

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Seems like Harris has lost some confidence.

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Right now Brunell is really locked on to Moss, and Cooley, and yes Cooley is a much bigger part of the game plan than other TE's, and H-backs in the past, I don't know if it's so much Jacobs fault right now, rather more so the productivity of Moss, and Cooley, and to a lesser degree Sellers, Patton see's very little as well and he's a proven game breaker, I just think Brunell is locked in right now on those 3, but he should look to spred it around and get comfortable with the other guy's, because it's front page news at this point if you want to beat us, take Moss, and Cooley out of the game, and it's only a matter of time before we see a heavy dose of that by defenses, ala the Giant game.

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i would be really surpised if taylor jacobs made the team next year.hurt way too often

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Well, if he had more opportunities, I'm sure he'd do just fine.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Right now Brunell is really locked on to Moss, and Cooley, and yes Cooley is a much bigger part of the game plan than other TE's, and H-backs in the past, I don't know if it's so much Jacobs fault right now, rather more so the productivity of Moss, and Cooley, and to a lesser degree Sellers, Patton see's very little as well and he's a proven game breaker, I just think Brunell is locked in right now on those 3, but he should look to spred it around and get comfortable with the other guy's, because it's front page news at this point if you want to beat us, take Moss, and Cooley out of the game, and it's only a matter of time before we see a heavy dose of that by defenses, ala the Giant game.[/QUOTE]

Offiss, you hit the nail on the head. I feel like the Giants took out Moss and maybe Cooley and then everyone else just started dropping balls. I am sure the Bucs have noticed this as well. They have a good D. It worries me for this weekend. However the Panthers are worse with Steve Smith being their only guy and he STILL makes plays, so who knows how all of this will play out.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I agree. Harris has been getting worked on his side. He constantly whiffs tackles, and I've noticed also that lately he's been playing really soft coverage giving the WR's all types of cushion. Personally, I think we're better off with Carlos Rogers starting opposite of Springs. He's a much, much better tackler than Harris. And seems to be tougher against the run.

Hasn't anyone noticed that Rogers has had some forced fumbles, but we've never recovered them.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if Harris is still feeling the effects of his quad injury. His tackling wasn't really an issue last season, during the preseason, or early this season.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Well, if he had more opportunities, I'm sure he'd do just fine.[/QUOTE]

If he'd earned more opportunities, he'd get them.

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[QUOTE=EEich]If he'd earned more opportunities, he'd get them.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. If three time Pro Bowler, LaVar Arrington has to earn his way back onto the field, there's no way in hell the unproven, unhealthy(in general), third stringer, Taylor Jacobs, should be [b]given[/b] anything.

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Having toooo many weapons to throw to is a good thing! As you will recall, the Boys of the nineties at their best had several basic targets. The playmaker, Jay Novacek, Emmitt, and whoever the 2nd reciever was. They were unstoppable.
It's not a bad formation. As have already been identified, we have some other guys we can work in more as well.

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Alvin Harper... he was terrible.

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[QUOTE=EEich]Alvin Harper... he was terrible.[/QUOTE]

oh yea! that's him

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i would be really surpised if taylor jacobs made the team next year.hurt way too often[/QUOTE]




The thing I do not understand about the Jacobs situation is, despite the fact he has had problems with injuries, when he's not injured he still does not get any playing time.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]The thing I do not understand about the Jacobs situation is, despite the fact he has had problems with injuries, when he's not injured he still does not get any playing time.[/QUOTE]

injures = missed practice time, sos maybe he got behind there and just hasn't proven enough... thrash IS good for the clutch catch on 3rd and long every now and then, so its not like he's battling a practice squad reject. Still, if he's supposed to be so great, you figure he'd have shown it on scout team or whatever...