O-Line Rebuild - Adam Peters Style
 

A welcomed series of events happened yesterday in the first significant step Peters has taken to shape this football team…the March 1st massacre.

Cut:

LT Charles Leno
C Nick Gates
TE Logan Thomas

Calculated and signals a primary focus for this new front office - fix the O-Line.

Charles, Lucas, Larsen are free agents. Thanks for your service and wish you well in your future endeavors

It’s time to operate like a normal NFL franchise and gather some real talent. With 9 draft picks and needs all over I would expect a couple picks thrown at the Oline but expect several free agents signings.

You want to draft a QB then you absolutely can’t do what they did to Sam Howell which was play him behind a bottom 5 Oline in the league.

I really hope we go after a high end experienced anchor at Center in free agency. I’d also add an experienced Tackle on a short deal. There is a solid crop of left guards with the connections to front office guys. TE is weak in the draft, I see a couple guys in free agent who can help and unlike Logan Thomas, they can block.

If the move is rookie QB next year then you do the right thing and put him behind a sturdy, experienced Oline.

What’s your plan? Who you trying to bring in?

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My plan would be firstly see what the Bears do leading up to the draft. If they ship Fields, we know that Williams is the likely target (or at least the top rated QB by that time given his stock can only seem to go down from here). That informs your decision on the #2 pick. If May and Daniels don't make you wet yourself, you have to consider trading down and probably building a line for a QB next year, else if they do, you have to build an OL now.

If the Cowboys don't re-sign/tag Smith, I strongly consider him. Yeah he's 33, but if he can give you 1-2 good years and you can't pick up a starting tackle in the draft, there's always next year with a solid vet in place. Then there's Onwenu who's got good flexibility and is young. I'd also look at Williams and Eluemunor at RT. But ideally I draft a starting LT, which is why I think they'll trade back up into the 1st to grab their guy or use the 2nd rd pick if a good talent is there.

For TE, I'd pursue Shultz and/or Henry, maybe Fant. It's not a rich FA crop so beggars can't be choosers. With so many holes on the OL to fill, same at LB and likely drafting a QB with the #2, I just don't see how we can afford to use a pick on a TE. Unless a guy drops in our laps.

I'm thinking WR, CB and S in FA. If not a 3-4 years starter, 1 years rentals to fill the need until the next draft. A lot hangs on what they think they can get out of Forbes, and whetehr they re-sign Curl. I certainly wouldn't pick a WR.

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Here's my plan. New players in bold.

They must start building the O-line through the draft this year. I think it's more likely they use two draft picks for the O-line, but it's not out of the question that they would use three - depending on trade-backs. But to get through 2024, they will also have to bring in a few free agents.

I'd like to see Connor Williams get a 3-4 year deal, and maybe a 1-year deal for Smith to either hold down the LT spot or be the swing tackle if they hit on a rookie LT in rounds 2 or 3. Dalton Risner is more than serviceable and wouldn't break the bank. He could compete with Paul, Charles, and Brooks for the L Guard spot.

[B]Tyron Smith / (rookie)[/B]
[B]Dalton Risner[/B] / (Chris Paul)
[B]Connor Williams[/B] / (Ricky Stromberg)
Samuel Cosmi / (Mason Brooks)
[B]rookie[/B] / (Andrew Wylie)

Swing tackle would be Andrew Wylie, a rookie, or potentially T Smith.

It's a start... continue building through the draft next year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359682]Here's my plan. New players in bold.

They must start building the O-line through the draft this year. I think it's more likely they use two draft picks for the O-line, but it's not out of the question that they would use three - depending on trade-backs. But to get through 2024, they will also have to bring in a few free agents.

I'd like to see Connor Williams get a 3-4 year deal, and maybe a 1-year deal for Smith to either hold down the LT spot or be the swing tackle if they hit on a rookie LT in rounds 2 or 3. Dalton Risner is more than serviceable and wouldn't break the bank. He could compete with Paul, Charles, and Brooks for the L Guard spot.

[B]Tyron Smith / (rookie)[/B]
[B]Dalton Risner[/B] / (Chris Paul)
[B]Connor Williams[/B] / (Ricky Stromberg)
Samuel Cosmi / (Mason Brooks)
[B]rookie[/B] / (Andrew Wylie)

Swing tackle would be Andrew Wylie, a rookie, or potentially T Smith.

It's a start... continue building through the draft next year.[/quote]

Lil worried about Conner coming injury, but like it

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[B]Swing tackle would be Andrew Wylie[/B], a rookie, or potentially T Smith.

It's a start... continue building through the draft next year.[/quote]


Swinging from a rope hopefully.

I can tolerate him as a guard but I don't want him anywhere near a tackle spot.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359682]Here's my plan. New players in bold.

They must start building the O-line through the draft this year. I think it's more likely they use two draft picks for the O-line, but it's not out of the question that they would use three - depending on trade-backs. But to get through 2024, they will also have to bring in a few free agents.

I'd like to see Connor Williams get a 3-4 year deal, and maybe a 1-year deal for Smith to either hold down the LT spot or be the swing tackle if they hit on a rookie LT in rounds 2 or 3. Dalton Risner is more than serviceable and wouldn't break the bank. He could compete with Paul, Charles, and Brooks for the L Guard spot.

[B]Tyron Smith / (rookie)[/B]
[B]Dalton Risner[/B] / (Chris Paul)
[B]Connor Williams[/B] / (Ricky Stromberg)
Samuel Cosmi / (Mason Brooks)
[B]rookie[/B] / (Andrew Wylie)

Swing tackle would be Andrew Wylie, a rookie, or potentially T Smith.

It's a start... continue building through the draft next year.[/quote]

I wouldn't want Wylie any where near a Tackle position, as they would have saved more by cutting him than Gates have to assume he is staying here, but LG or swing OG is his best place ( actually staying in the locker room would be his best position )

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Love the moves they made - thanks for everything Logan Thomas and Leno and his wifey seem like stand-up people. But it's the nature of the beast.

I gotta assume Adam Peters watched all the film from last year and immediately started putting up names on his cut/restructure board. Hopefully more to come.

I expect us to be active in free agency signing affordable veterans for o-line positions because we can't draft an entire new o-line when only Cosmi deserves to stay.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1359688]I wouldn't want Wylie any where near a Tackle position, as they would have saved more by cutting him than Gates have to assume he is staying here, but LG or swing OG is his best place ( actually staying in the locker room would be his best position )[/quote]

Maybe the new staff can get more out of Wylie. If he's the swing tackle, I think I'd be ok with that. He can play Guard too if necessary.

Not sure we have a ton of options at Tackle, losing Lucas & Leno. Probably can't completely rebuild the O-line to our liking in one offseason.

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Wylie gets man handled more than Riley Reid.
I’m not giving a liability a chance with a rookie QB.
No upside here.

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I still don't trust the new o-line coach. They need to have top talent because he won't make mediocre talent better.

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I don't [I]not[/I] trust the new o-line coach. He'll fall in line with what they want to do on offense, and lucky for him he's almost certainly going to get some new and improved talent to work with. My guess is Anthony Lynn, Brian Johnson, and of course Kliff will have a lot of say in what transpires with the o-line.

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[quote=jamf;1359697]Wylie gets man handled more than Riley Reid.
I’m not giving a liability a chance with a rookie QB.
No upside here.[/quote]

LOL, I had to look up who Riley Reid was... good one!

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1359721]I don't [I]not[/I] trust the new o-line coach. He'll fall in line with what they want to do on offense, and lucky for him he's almost certainly going to get some new and improved talent to work with. My guess is Anthony Lynn, Brian Johnson, and of course Kliff will have a lot of say in what transpires with the o-line.[/QUOTE]

I think the only guy on that that you listed that I trust for sure is Anthony Lynn I don't trust Kliff and I don't trust the former Giants line coach they were worse than ours with the same or better talent . I don't know anything about Brian Johnson.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359722]LOL, I had to look up who Riley Reid was... good one![/quote]

I envy that this was your first search for her. I remember the first time I looked her up. Best 2 minutes of googling ever.

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I love everyone suggesting Tyron Smith, but you can only count on the guy for maybe half the games in a season. GREAT player, but you have to have some contingency (rookie?) to come in on the random games he misses.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1359733]I love everyone suggesting Tyron Smith, but you can only count on the guy for maybe half the games in a season. GREAT player, but you have to have some contingency (rookie?) to come in on the random games he misses.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1359733]I love everyone suggesting Tyron Smith, but you can only count on the guy for maybe half the games in a season. GREAT player, but you have to have some contingency (rookie?) to come in on the random games he misses.[/quote]

Agreed. It's a bit of a gamble, and would depend on his asking price. Either way I think two of our first six picks should be O-line, preferably Tackles.

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Tampering season must have already started and they have a new LT already lined up. That's the only reason I can see for cutting Leno. He was not the problem and I was fine with him for another year while they groom/search for the long term answer.

So disappointing that this is a weak FA class for interior OL. I always looked at those as fairly affordable positions to fill in free agency. But I don't want them to pull a RR and overpay for average or below average OL.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1359752]Tampering season must have already started and they have a new LT already lined up. That's the only reason I can see for cutting Leno. He was not the problem and I was fine with him for another year while they groom/search for the long term answer.

So disappointing that this is a weak FA class for interior OL. I always looked at those as fairly affordable positions to fill in free agency. But I don't want them to pull a RR and overpay for average or below average OL.[/quote]

I though i heard that Leno is about to have hip surgery that may effect his health for next season. If so, cutting him was an absolute no brainer.

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I did hear that. It wouldn't surprise me if we went Quarterback, Tackle, Tackle in the draft for our first 3 picks.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359763]I did hear that. It wouldn't surprise me if we went Quarterback, Tackle, Tackle in the draft for our first 3 picks.[/quote]

I hope not. That would indicate they are reaching to fill needs. I can't think of one position group that does not need an upgrade so I want BPA all the way.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1359766]I hope not. That would indicate they are reaching to fill needs. I can't think of one position group that does not need an upgrade so I want BPA all the way.[/quote]

Not necessarily. There are quite a few good tackles projected to go in the range of our two 2nd round picks. And you're assuming that they just stay where they're at and don't trade up or back to get value for the positions they need the most.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359769]Not necessarily. There are quite a few good tackles projected to go in the range of our two 2nd round picks. And you're assuming that they just stay where they're at and don't trade up or back to get value for the positions they need the most.[/quote]

Leno was at least serviceable for another year, and they had the cap space to retain him. A rookie LT who is not a top prospect protecting the blind side of a rookie QB is a dangerous plan IMO when they had an option already signed at a reasonable cost. Why not retain Leno and still take a tackle early in the draft? Now it appears they will need to reach to fill a huge need and pray he works out.

Unless of course they already have a deal with a FA LT in the works which is what I suspect.

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Leno's been ok, but I'm not sure how serviceable he was going to be after hip surgery. He'll be almost 33 when the season starts, and he ended last season on IR.

I fully expect that they will be signing a free agent LT next Wednesday.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359789]Leno's been ok, but I'm not sure how serviceable he was going to be after hip surgery. He'll be almost 33 when the season starts, and he ended last season on IR.

I fully expect that they will be signing a free agent LT next Wednesday.[/quote]

That was my thought as soon as Leno was released. I don't see them going into camp with an unproven rookie LT to protect a rookie QB. But 33 is not old for a OL and assuming his hip is OK he would have been fine for one more season. If the rookie wins the job then Leno's solid depth.

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By the way I heard when he was signed that guard is Wylie's best position. Does anyone know if he was actually a decent guard?

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I’m spending and drafting a shit ton at this spot. The rookie QB must be supported.

LT Jonah Williams (Cincinnati), Rookie
LG Jonah Jackson (Detroit), Chris Paul
C Tyler Biadasz (Dallas), Ricky Stromberg
RG Sam Cosmi, Rookie
RT Rookie, Tony Wylie

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1359857]I’m spending and drafting a shit ton at this spot. The rookie QB must be supported.



LT Jonah Williams (Cincinnati), Rookie

LG Jonah Jackson (Detroit), Chris Paul

C Tyler Biadasz (Dallas), Ricky Stromberg

RG Sam Cosmi, Rookie

RT Rookie, Tony Wylie[/QUOTE]that would be a good outcome

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I'd be surprised if we sign 3 OL in FA (it'd be great, but that's a lot). Wouldn't be shocked if we drafted 3 (though 1-2 would be late rounders).

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[quote=That Guy;1359861]I'd be surprised if we sign 3 OL in FA (it'd be great, but that's a lot). Wouldn't be shocked if we drafted 3 (though 1-2 would be late rounders).[/quote]

You mean starters, not OL period. Even signing tier 2 FAs would be an upgrade on last year. I'd say we sign 2 starters, 3 depth and see what's available with each pick after QB @ #2. Maybe trade back into Rd 1 for a starting T.

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[quote=Schneed10;1359857]I’m spending and drafting a shit ton at this spot. The rookie QB must be supported.

LT Jonah Williams (Cincinnati), Rookie
LG Jonah Jackson (Detroit), Chris Paul
C Tyler Biadasz (Dallas), Ricky Stromberg
RG Sam Cosmi, Rookie
RT Rookie, Tony Wylie[/quote]

Biadasz is my pick for center as well. Left side solid choices as well

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Behind QB I don't see a bigger area of need to be addressed this offseason. Bolstering the OL is critical especially with a rookie QB. Ron and co flat out blew it when it comes to building a quality line here.

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Assuming we are drafting a QB at #2, OL and Edge have to be our highest priorities going into today, followed by LB and Secondary.

There are quite a few quality O-linemen available in free agency, and the draft is loaded too. I wouldn't hate it if we signed 3-4 and drafted 2-3.

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Wow, Eagles just paid their OG $21m py, guard market taking off already.

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[quote=MTK;1359888]Behind QB I don't see a bigger area of need to be addressed this offseason. Bolstering the OL is critical especially with a rookie QB. Ron and co flat out blew it when it comes to building a quality line here.[/quote]

If Austin Eckler doesn't get a big contract from someone right out the gate, I'd love to have him. I think he would do well in Kliff's offense...good receiving back, and still got a lot left I think.

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[quote=Redskins247;1359894]If Austin Eckler doesn't get a big contract from someone right out the gate, I'd love to have him. I think he would do well in Kliff's offense...good receiving back, and still got a lot left I think.[/quote]

I like eckler but id rather a 3rd rounder on Jaylen Wright out of Tennessee

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359722]LOL, I had to look up who Riley Reid was... good one![/quote]

Yeah, me too /s/.

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Cornelius Lucas back in a 1 year deal for up to $4m. Smart.


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We've signed Michael Deiter C, presumably as interior depth. Still puzzling that they haven't signed even 1 starting quality T. They've got to be going for at least 1in the draft, but there's no guarantee you'll get a value guy still there in Rd 2. Can't help thinking they're going to try to trade back up into the mid to late 1st, and draft a starting LT.