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I would only argue we're better than the Jets. On paper at least. We have been able to move the ball, just not well enough, the Jets can't move the ball at all, and I doubt it will move the ball even on our D. Though I wouldn't put money on that! Hell, if we end up with the #3 pick, then no complaints under the circumstances.

Now onto the Thursday night game excitement! And it's... oh, yeah Patriots v Steelers 🤦*♂️

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1353970]I would only argue we're better than the Jets. On paper at least. We have been able to move the ball, just not well enough, the Jets can't move the ball at all, and I doubt it will move the ball even on our D. Though I wouldn't put money on that! Hell, if we end up with the #3 pick, then no complaints under the circumstances.

Now onto the Thursday night game excitement! And it's... oh, yeah Patriots v Steelers 🤦*♂️[/quote]

Jets offense is garbage, but their defense is legit and good enough to carry them to a win again equally bad teams like ours.

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At this point I really hope we just lose out, don't do anything dumb like win 2 or 3 games. I think it's pretty clear a lot of players are checked out on the season.

I guess we should have seen this coming, Ron was a lame duck from the start, typically things don't go well when everyone in the building knows a change is coming at the end of the season.

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[quote=MTK;1353979]At this point I really hope we just lose out, don't do anything dumb like win 2 or 3 games. I think it's pretty clear a lot of players are checked out on the season.

I guess we should have seen this coming, Ron was a lame duck from the start, typically things don't go well when everyone in the building knows a change is coming at the end of the season.[/quote]

Yeah I can't believe I had this team 8-9 LOL

It would be DUMB AS HELL to win 1 more game this season.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1353970]I would only argue we're better than the Jets. On paper at least. We have been able to move the ball, just not well enough, the Jets can't move the ball at all, [B]and I doubt it will move the ball even on our D.[/B] Though I wouldn't put money on that! Hell, if we end up with the #3 pick, then no complaints under the circumstances.

Now onto the Thursday night game excitement! And it's... oh, yeah Patriots v Steelers 🤦*♂️[/quote]

yea i wouldnt put $ on it either. Tommy DeVito went from his childhood bedroom to shredding this D. Lol this is the most inept coaching staff ive seen ever and that includes a guy that was calling bingo at the local church hall a week before being up in the booth calling plays......................

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353984]Yeah I can't believe I had this team 8-9 LOL

It would be DUMB AS HELL to win 1 more game this season.[/quote]

Nobody saw a total defensive collapse coming.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353984]Yeah I can't believe I had this team 8-9 LOL

It would be DUMB AS HELL to win 1 more game this season.[/quote]

And Ron says "hold my beer"

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Beating the jets would be the absolute worse thing for this teams future .. what we have now is nothing .. and the house will be swept clean! I’m not sure I would even play Payne or Allen .. Sit Terry and put in Brissett .. we know what Sam can do .. I’d be playing the practice squad guys .. this year is over and I don’t wanna see Sam injured or Allen , Payne , Terry etc … we got less than 10 legit starters on this team .. the others i would make them suffer the rest of year .. but I’m sure none of this will happen and we beat the jets and end up costing us a lot come draft time .. but hey we beat the Jets …😳

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1353996]Beating the jets would be the absolute worse thing for this teams future .. what we have now is nothing .. and the house will be swept clean! I’m not sure I would even play Payne or Allen .. Sit Terry and put in Brissett .. we know what Sam can do .. I’d be playing the practice squad guys .. this year is over and I don’t wanna see Sam injured or Allen , Payne , Terry etc … we got less than 10 legit starters on this team .. the others i would make them suffer the rest of year .. but I’m sure none of this will happen and we beat the jets and end up costing us a lot come draft time .. but hey we beat the Jets …[emoji15][/QUOTE]


Problem with that scenario is Ron is toast and he knows it. He wants a win and could care less about the draft that he will be watching from the house his fraudulent coaching career afforded him.

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I don't know if beating the Jets would constitute the absolute worse thing that could happen to the future of this franchise especially since we don't even know who is going to be calling the shots at draft time.

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I need the patriots to get that dub

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Pats winning is huge for us


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354049]Pats winning is huge for us


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Not really sure it matters. The best we can hope for is that the Pats go 4-13, they aren't beating KC, Denver or Buffalo, and if they beat the Jets that hurts us.

Even if we both have 4-13 records they get the higher pick because of head to head.

At least as I understand it, the Pats can't affect us (barring beating Denver and the Jets as well as Pittsburgh, but we still have to lose to the Jets)

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They could probably beat the jets and Denver tbh. Denver is hit or miss by the week


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1354055]Not really sure it matters. The best we can hope for is that the Pats go 4-13, they aren't beating KC, Denver or Buffalo, and if they beat the Jets that hurts us.

Even if we both have 4-13 records they get the higher pick because of head to head.

At least as I understand it, the Pats can't affect us (barring beating Denver and the Jets as well as Pittsburgh, but we still have to lose to the Jets)[/quote]

If we have the same record we would get the higher pick because it is decided by strength of schedule (as of right now theirs was .527 vs ours at .522) it is a control to prevent two similar teams with a same record from tanking. If you intentionally lose the winning record of your opponents goes up and therefore your strength of schedule goes up. They won which is good but that also had the impact of increasing our strength of schedule slightly since they were an opponent. Their game against Jets now becomes pretty meaningful for us as long as one team loses. If it isa tie both teams could jump in front of us.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1354068]If we have the same record we would get the higher pick because it is decided by strength of schedule (as of right now theirs was .527 vs ours at .522) it is a control to prevent two similar teams with a same record from tanking. If you intentionally lose the winning record of your opponents goes up and therefore your strength of schedule goes up. They won which is good but that also had the impact of increasing our strength of schedule slightly since they were an opponent. Their game against Jets now becomes pretty meaningful for us as long as one team loses. If it isa tie both teams could jump in front of us.[/quote]

I thought head to head came before strength of schedule too

edit . . . and it is: [URL="https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-tiebreakers/"]See:[/URL]

[quote]Division NFL Draft Tiebreakers
When two teams from the same division are tied by both record and SOS, we have to use the following procedures to break any ties:

Head-to-head record: The team with the worse record in games played against each other gets the higher pick in the draft order.
Winning percentage in games played within the division: The team with the lower winning percentage gets the higher pick.
Win percentage in common games: The team with the lower winning percentage gets the higher pick.
Winning percentage in games played within the conference: The team with the lower winning percentage gets the higher pick.
Strength of victory: The aggregate winning percentage for opponents each team defeated is calculated, and the team with the lower strength of victory is awarded the higher pick.
Combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in conference games: For example, if Team A is ranked 10th in points scored and eighth in points allowed, Team A’s combined ranking would be 18. If Team B is ranked fifth in points scored and 14th in points allowed, Team B’s combined ranking would be 19. Team A’s combined ranking is better, so Team B would be awarded the higher pick.
Combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games
Best net points in common games: The difference between points scored and points allowed is compared for both teams, with the team with the worst net getting the higher pick.
Best net points in all games
Best net touchdowns in all games: The difference in the number of touchdowns scored and allowed is compared. The team with the lower net touchdowns gets the higher pick.
Coin toss: If all other tiebreakers have been exhausted and teams still cannot be separated, a coin toss is used to determine the final NFL Draft order of those two or more teams.[/quote]

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SOS comes before head to head. See the quote you have. Plus we aren't in same division as Pats

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1354075]SOS comes before head to head. See the quote you have. Plus we aren't in same division as Pats[/quote]

k . . . from same article . . . further down . . . non conference tie breaker:

Here are the full tiebreaking procedures when teams in separate conferences are tied:

[quote]Head-to-head record: The team with the worse record in games played against each other gets the higher pick in the NFL Draft order.
Winning percentage in common games (minimum of four common opponents): The team with the lower winning percentage gets the higher pick.
Strength of victory: The aggregate winning percentage for opponents each team defeated is calculated, and the team with the lower strength of victory is awarded the higher pick.
Combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games
Best net points in all games
Best net touchdowns in all games
Coin toss[/quote]

head to head is still before strenght of schedule

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1354077]k . . . from same article . . . further down . . . non conference tie breaker:

Here are the full tiebreaking procedures when teams in separate conferences are tied:



head to head is still before strenght of schedule[/quote]

Stength of victory NOT strength of schedule

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1354078]Stength of victory NOT strength of schedule[/quote]

doesn't matter what you call it . . . Head to Head is the first tiebreaker.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1354079]doesn't matter what you call it . . . Head to Head is the first tiebreaker.[/quote]

Read the first sentence in the first paragraph of the "What are the NFL draft tie breakers?"

SOS is the primary. Strength of victory only takes in account the wins of a team not the losses as well.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1354079]doesn't matter what you call it . . . Head to Head is the first tiebreaker.[/quote]

They are DIFFERENT metrics

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it is what it is . . .

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This discussion of how a win-loss tie with the Pats could affect our draft position is truly pathetic. I just hope that we're never again in such a downtrodden circumstance.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1353991]And Ron says "hold my beer"[/QUOTE]Of course he does... Even when a coach is 100% sure to stay the following year, I think it's not as easy as we think to coach to lose, so knowing he's out, he doesn't care about draft position at all, you can almost pencil in we're gonna have a useless flukish win down the road...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1354098]Of course he does... Even when a coach is 100% sure to stay the following year, I think it's not as easy as we think to coach to lose, so knowing he's out, he doesn't care about draft position at all, you can almost pencil in we're gonna have a useless flukish win down the road...

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That seems about right.

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Justin Fields has played better as of late. Idk if the bears are going to dump him just yet


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Rams and Ravens in a good one near halftime. Rams playing very well of late bringing in 3 straight victories.

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Da Bears!

J.E.T.S, JETS JETS JETS!

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1354134]Justin Fields has played better as of late. Idk if the bears are going to dump him just yet


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Bears sticking with Fields can help if the team wants to trade for the #1 overall pick.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1354146]Bears sticking with Fields can help if the team wants to trade for the #1 overall pick.

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If we end up at #2 that’s huge


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If I'm the Bears, I'm trading down for the king's fortune. Still think Justin Fields is a viable starting QB. Every year teams need QBs in the draft. They could get a huge ransom in a trade.

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The Chargers HC is the worst Head Coach in NFL history. I'd rather have Zorn than Staley. Please fire that motherfucker.

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Stroud looked like straight garbage today

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Denvers continued winning helps our Strength of Schedule. Crazy we may actually move higher than 4, I assume Rivera will end up winning and mess it all up.

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Can’t say I’ve ever seen Mahomes going off like that on the sidelines. He looked pissed

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1354156]Denvers continued winning helps our Strength of Schedule. Crazy we may actually move higher than 4, I assume Rivera will end up winning and mess it all up.[/quote]

We are not gonna win any of last 4 games ...

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1354151]If I'm the Bears, I'm trading down for the king's fortune. Still think Justin Fields is a viable starting QB. Every year teams need QBs in the draft. They could get a huge ransom in a trade.[/quote]

DJ Moore > Terry


And it’s not close

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Purdy would have never made it on the field as a starter in Washington ... it took a real Coach staff to see that Purdy could play .. Heck Ron thought Wentz was the answer then Taylor ... He couldn't even recognize that Sam could actually play .. Taylor had to point that out .. that alone says it all !