Do you think Rivera will successfully rebuild ?
 

He's 9-15 in the regular season so far coaching this team.

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Ron is who he is, the record speaks for itself. He has a losing record and it would be much worse if it wasn't for that 15-1 season..

I'm starting to lose faith in him by the week..

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Based on who he found to become our new FG K, I don't trust him to build a good sandwich from a delicatessen with all the trimmings.

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This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.

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[quote=SunnySide;1298359]This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.[/quote]

I was pro-Ron but his lack of success in finding quality qb's is wearing thin on me.

60/40 for now, it will get worse if he can't find someone in the offseason.

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We've been down this path so many times. Everyone thinks they can come in here and right the ship. And then they get here and are quickly beaten down by this house of dumb that Dan built.

I will say though in this case, it's premature to say Ron can't do it. I think we need to give him his first 3 years and evaluate from there.

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I’m 50/50 I fully expect him to continue to shit the bed but there’s a possibility he could right the ship.

I’m not holding my breath though. His record speaks for itself.


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It’s all about getting a QB. That’s it. If he can get a QB, yes Ron can get it done

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[quote=SunnySide;1298359]This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.[/quote]

The question is certainly worth asking......Rivera has shown very little except for having the team go on a winning streak last year after starting off with a losing record.......now the WFT is 2-6........this is no different from Shanahan, Zorn, or Gruden.

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[quote=Chico23231;1298369]It’s all about getting a QB. That’s it. If he can get a QB, yes Ron can get it done[/quote]

/discussion

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What's the definition rebuild for this thread? For any decent organization it means consistently in the playoffs and an occasional SB run. For this, the worst organization in pro sports, it seems rebuild means not being a laughing stock. With a QB and some luck I think Ron can do that.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1298358]Based on who he found to become our new FG K, I don't trust him to build a good sandwich from a delicatessen with all the trimmings.[/QUOTE]Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1298370]The question is certainly worth asking......Rivera has shown very little except for having the team go on a winning streak last year after starting off with a losing record.......now the WFT is 2-6........this is no different from Shanahan, Zorn, or Gruden.[/quote]

In 2 seasons with WFT:
Spurrier 12-20
Shanny 11-22
Zorn 12-20
Gruden 13-19
Rivera 9-14 (so far)

Ron will be hard pressed to catch Gruden's win total and even Zorn's and Spurrier's wont be easy.

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^ Looks are deceiving, anyone that was a fan through the Spurrier/Zorn days knows what a shit show it was back then.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1298379]Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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The ST situation was classic Snyder, unfortunately Jason Wright got caught in the crossfire.

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[quote=MTK;1298386]^ Looks are deceiving, anyone that was a fan through the Spurrier/Zorn days knows what a shit show it was back then.[/quote]

In some ways it makes Spurrier and Zorn seem better because it was a way bigger shit show back then than it is now.

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Also…this Sheehan tweet kinda made me think, the bullshit Ron has put up with so far in less than two years:

Sheehan:

Well, the competitive portion of the season is over if it wasn't already...on Halloween! But of course we have the Snyders to keep us busy during the bye wk. After emails, hush money, DEA raids, congressional interest...what's next? Can't wait to find out


It’s true, wtf is next? It’s never about football…who knows

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[quote=MTK;1298386]^ Looks are deceiving, anyone that was a fan through the Spurrier/Zorn days knows what a shit show it was back then.[/quote]

I saw it......it was more ridiculous than Pettibone going 4-12 in 1993.....

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[QUOTE=MTK;1298386]^ Looks are deceiving, anyone that was a fan through the Spurrier/Zorn days knows what a shit show it was back then.[/QUOTE]


This isn’t?

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[quote=mooby;1298361]I was pro-Ron but his [B]lack of success in finding quality qb's is wearing thin on me.[/B]

60/40 for now, it will get worse if he can't find someone in the offseason.[/quote]

I think we need some local journalist to do a deep dive researched article on RRs efforts to land a true QB to date. What better time then the bye week. I want to read a cited and multi page article.

Was there an actual viable option that he passed on?

- Stafford we got outbid and dont think we had a chance.
- Watson? Texans asking price is unreasonably high, lots of baggage
- Fitz? Seemed like a lot here liked the move given the alternatives. Cant blame RR for injury, while Fitz is older at 38 hes been healthy enough lately
- Darnold? Bridgewater? Wentz? Was tyrod taylor available?
- Herbert? We all had a hard on for Chase and Herbert is hindsight thinking and not fair to RR. Plus Haskins was still the anointed one at the time.
- Haskins? Should we have kept him?



Fitz seemed like the best most sensible option.

At this point ... go get Watson for next year? But you have to trade a ton of capital plus sign a red flag to a mega deal ... then hope he fits and works out. Phins reportedly had a deal done but Watson wouldnt settle with the victims out of court and that was one of the Phins requirements.

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[quote=SunnySide;1298405]I think we need some local journalist to do a deep dive researched article on RRs efforts to land a true QB to date. What better time then the bye week. I want to read a cited and multi page article.

Was there an actual viable option that he passed on?

- Stafford we got outbid and dont think we had a chance.
- Watson? Texans asking price is unreasonably high, lots of baggage
- Fitz? Seemed like a lot here liked the move given the alternatives. Cant blame RR for injury, while Fitz is older at 38 hes been healthy enough lately
- Darnold? Bridgewater? Wentz? Was tyrod taylor available?
- Herbert? We all had a hard on for Chase and Herbert is hindsight thinking and not fair to RR. Plus Haskins was still the anointed one at the time.
- Haskins? Should we have kept him?



Fitz seemed like the best most sensible option.

At this point ... go get Watson for next year? But you have to trade a ton of capital plus sign a red flag to a mega deal ... then hope he fits and works out. Phins reportedly had a deal done but Watson wouldnt settle with the victims out of court and that was one of the Phins requirements.[/quote]

The combination of WFT's problems and Watsons's problems means there's no way he's coming here.

I heard on the Sports Junkies last Friday that part of Watson's settlement agreement was that [B]he wanted[/B] all the details of what happened to be made public and [B]his accusers wouldn't agree[/B] to that so he wouldnt settle with them. I found that very interesting.

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[quote=punch it in;1298403]This isn’t?[/quote]

Of course it is.

That's not what I was saying.

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Ron says " Taylor is our guy going forward"

Translation = Tank mode

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More from Ron

Rivera: "The truth is it gets darkest before it gets brightest. There's a thing I've learned from being around military personnel: It takes 3 to 5 years to change culture. Futility doesn't disappear overnight."

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298412]More from Ron

Rivera: "The truth is it gets darkest before it gets brightest. There's a thing I've learned from being around military personnel: It takes 3 to 5 years to change culture. Futility doesn't disappear overnight."[/quote]

Lol, spare me. This is not the military it's the NFL. 3 years is the absolute max excuse making, 4 and 5 years is laughable.

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Yeah being a former service member I find this a bit of a stretch... The NFL or football in general is not the military lol.. It's a game, I get that he's trying to show gratitude but it's not the same... Also the culture in the military is pretty solid, we all think the shit sucks lol

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I believe Rivera will be gone after next year, at the latest. If not at the end of this year. He is not a winning coach. He is a stop gap only. Rivera was the choice for Snyder because Rivera is respected in the NFL and Snyder needed to create an image of change until Snyder's NFL troubles go away.

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I don't think Ron will be fired this year but if they suck ass again in 2022 he will be out.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1298412]More from Ron

Rivera: "The truth is it gets darkest before it gets brightest. There's a thing I've learned from being around military personnel: It takes 3 to 5 years to change culture. Futility doesn't disappear overnight."[/QUOTE]


We’ve been futile for years though. Lol if this is what we’ve come to, yikes.


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1298418]We’ve been futile for years though. Lol if this is what we’ve come to, yikes.


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We are the Lions 2.0 , dumpster fire from head to toe...

What do we have to look forward to?

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The changes to the playing surface aren't minor, either. In the past, Washington's grounds crew would strip off two inches and replace the sod to put together a turf they could play on.

Now, they're taking out 14 inches of subsoil, all the way down to the heat lines. Then, they're going to rebuild the entire surface all the way up, with a new drainage system, new irrigation system and brand new USGA spec sand.

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The changing of the sand is a major deal, too. According to Benevento, roughly 2,000 tons --- yes, you read that right -- are coming in, with more than 2,000 tons of the old sand being removed. The new sand is softer sand with bigger particle size; the old sand was more firm and beginning to break down.

After that comes the actual grass, which has been grown in Charlotte, North Carolina, and made especially for FedExField.

"It's going to make a huge difference for our players, our coaching staff and the fans," Benevento said. "Players are going to feel a lot more confident out here running around. Coaches are going to understand what they're coming into every day."

[B]Head coach Ron Rivera has played a major role in getting the process rolling. Not only is the surface at FedExField being changed, but the team's practice fields at the Ashburn facility have been upgraded this offseason, too.

"He was a big advocate for us, here and at the park," Benevento said. "He was a huge voice for the grounds crew and the fields themselves. He's been in our corner the entire step of the way."
[/B]
The ultimate goal of this project is to provide a better playing surface for the players, something Benevento thinks will be accomplished once the process is concluded.

"I'm excited for our players to play on a field they know is perfect every time they come out here," Benevento said.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/now/inside-look-makeover-fedexfields-playing-140515432.html[/url]

Yes .... its "winning off the field" but Ron has done a lot. He had to build and fill out an entire organizational chart, FO, scouting dept. Got Snyder to pay for upgrading the field and facilities.

We were the cheapest worst run organization before Ron.

There was so much work to be done and I think we need to be thankful Ron even agreed to come here and deal with this shit.

This year is disappointing but the man has done a lot of good already.

No head coach can come here and win with the way our barebones scouting, FO and facilities were prior to Ron coming here.

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I'm not sure RR is the solution beyond next season, but is it maybe that we've become so fed up with losing around here, we're not prepared to give ANYONE more than 2 seasons to fix things?

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I agree that he has done good things but at he end of the day we can talk talk talk but if the team is losing on Sunday's nothing else matters. Fans don't give a shit about turf at the stadium (no offense to you) , we care about rooting for a team that you can be proud of.. That isn't the case and hasn't been for years so yeah we are all down and out and tired of it. Hard to have faith in Ron right now.

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[quote=oldfan;1298415]I believe Rivera will be gone after next year, at the latest. If not at the end of this year. He is not a winning coach. He is a stop gap only. Rivera was the choice for Snyder because Rivera is respected in the NFL and Snyder needed to create an image of change until Snyder's NFL troubles go away.[/quote]

Stop gap for who?

We already out kicked our coverage just getting Ron in the first place.

Nobody higher profile than Ron is coming to take this job.

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[quote=MTK;1298427]Stop gap for who?

We already out kicked our coverage just getting Ron in the first place.

Nobody higher profile than Ron is coming to take this job.[/quote]

We need to hire a random young buck that no one has really heard of yet and hope it works out. Rivera gets thru next year, but if we are still shit on the field, we need to go with a young guy. No more old ass retreads.

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It's going to have to be a young no name guy regardless. Unless Ron can turn this around by 2022.. Right now with no QB, I don't see it happening

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1298428]We need to hire a random young buck that no one has really heard of yet and hope it works out. Rivera gets thru next year, but if we are still shit on the field, we need to go with a young guy. No more old ass retreads.[/quote]

lol we just went down the road of a new "young" guy, Jay Gruden, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

I'm frustrated AF right now but the fact is Rivera needs a full 3 years to know if this is heading in the right direction or not. And he needs a QB. This talk of moving on from him already is ridiculous.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298429]It's going to have to be a young no name guy regardless. Unless Ron can turn this around by 2022.. Right now with no QB, I don't see it happening[/quote]

Draft a QB with every pick next year lol. Keep the best 2 and Allen/Heinicke can compete to be the veteran 3rd QB.

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[quote=MTK;1298427]Stop gap for who?

We already out kicked our coverage just getting Ron in the first place.

Nobody higher profile than Ron is coming to take this job.[/quote]

I never believed this because money talks but this year, you're right.
Snyder is the GM and will personally leak stories to make you look back if things don't work out.

Good guy Rivera isn't leaving this organization clean.

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I actually think it's really possible RR has decided to tank. We know he considered it last year before the rest of the division was God awful too.



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