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So it is obvious that we have a staff in place. Turner makes me nervous sometimes but ...RR and JDR are here to stay. Our Defense is obviously young and awesome and after we address mlb and secondary look out we will be the best in the league. We got some good weapons on offense. Add some o line help. We are trending up quickly. But as has been the case for many moons, we need our quarterback. Unlike past years we do not have to worry about building around him. We are there. There is no doubt that if we had a top flight qb right now we would have our sights set on some pretty lofty goals. So what is the plan? Is AS involved? DH? Do we keep AS next year and let him groom someone? I cant imagine him having a problem with that. Do we keep DH and hope he figures things out and can be a long term backup? Do we pluck someone out of free agency? Stafford? Dak if the Cowboys continue to botch his contract situation? Fitzmagic? What thinks you all?
Just for the record im not moving on from this year we are winning with no quarterback but it is pretty obvious that going forward we need to help out the D with some semblance of quarterback play.

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We do have a few holes to fix, but I believe our long term qb of the future isn't on the roster yet. Alex Smith (provided yesterday was just a one-off and not a lingering issue) can play into next year if he wants but we need to get someone on the roster to develop this offseason.

Haskins has the physical tools, but everywhere else needs serious work. Wouldn't be surprised if Ron decides to move on this offseason.

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While I would like Stafford, his contract is kinda fucked up. 35M cap hit next year, Lions would take on 25M in dead money if they cut him. Lions are in cap hell next year, like half the league.

I dont think we will have a clear idea of true QB candidates until the start of the 2021 league year. I anticipate some star players being cut that wouldnt otherwise if the cap was normal.
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Top available NFL free agent quarterbacks in 2021

1) Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys
2) Philip Rivers, Indianapolis Colts
3) Mitchell Trubisky, Chicago Bears
4) Jameis Winston, New Orleans Saints
5) Cam Newton, New England Patriots
6) Ryan Fitzpatrick, Miami Dolphins
7) Jacoby Brissett, Indianapolis Colts
8) Tyrod Taylor, Los Angeles Chargers
9) Andy Dalton, Dallas Cowboys
[url]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-2021-nfl-free-agents-each-position/[/url]

^^ these are the top QBs scheduled to FAs. I imagine there will be cut QBs, hopefully those will offer up a decent option bc these 9 suck.

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If Smith is healthy (not the Smith we saw last night), I'm ok with rolling with him for one more year. I do think if that is your plan though, you have to have a better insurance policy than Haskins. I am hopeful that they have their eyes on a couple college QBs they like, and are able to draft "their guy" in the early rounds - even if they have to move up (like the Sweat move) to get him. I am not a fan of going after a Stafford/Fitz type vet, unless Smith is not healthy enough to go. I would take Dak in a heartbeat if Dallas can't/doesn't get anything done there, but I suspect he gets another tag if not a contract. The two best scenarios to me are: 1. Alex is healthy enough to go next year and they are able to draft a QB in the middle rounds to sit a year behind him. 2. A QB they really like falls into their lap early, and he is the guy from day 1. Either way, I like bringing back Kyle Allen as the insurance policy.

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SO hard to say right now..

Stafford isn't the long term answer but he could be very good for a few years.

Haskins is not a QB1 , His mechanics are so bad and he's just not accurate.

Alex is old but serviceable if he can stay healthy.

I'd say draft a QB in RD1

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I wouldn’t touch that free agent list.

It’s a high round draft pick who may have to mentor under Smith but talented enough to play soon ( not a project) or a bolder move for someone like Matt Ryan or Matt Stafford who franchises could go on rebuild.

Another option would be a Sam Darnold or Wetz player who need a change of scenery. I rather not take this route but like it over the free agent list above

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1268347]SO hard to say right now..



Stafford isn't the long term answer but he could be very good for a few years.



Haskins is not a QB1 , His mechanics are so bad and he's just not accurate.



Alex is old but serviceable if he can stay healthy.



I'd say draft a QB in RD1[/QUOTE]



You think there will be one around where we pick? Would probably not be an immediate starter so we would need a Stafford or Smith until he is ready.

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[quote=Chico23231;1268350]I wouldn’t touch that free agent list.

It’s a high round draft pick who may have to mentor under Smith but talented enough to play soon ( not a project) or a bolder move for someone like Matt Ryan or Matt Stafford who franchises could go on rebuild.

Another option would be a Sam Darnold or Wetz player who need a change of scenery. I rather not take this route but like it over the free agent list above[/quote]

Darnold could be the next Tannehill, Adam Gase ruins QBs

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F Darnold he blows, seriously he sucks

I'd take Kyle Allen over him

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[quote=MTK;1268353]F Darnold he blows, seriously he sucks

I'd take Kyle Allen over him[/quote]

The good thing is even at 19 we can draft a QB, and this is a deep class

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Call Andrew Luck!! As other teams have proven, you can get a QB late in the 1st round or lower rounds. Jackson, Wilson, Brady come to mind.

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I'm more concerned about the QB for the present.

With Smith we can get into the playoffs and maybe make some noise.

Without Smith I'm worried about just getting to the playoffs.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1268361]Call Andrew Luck!![/quote]

His heart isn't in it. No thanks.

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When Luck retired I thought maybe he'll sit out a season or two and come back. Now I think he's long gone and not coming back.

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I don't think we can go into next season assuming Alex can play a full 16 games.

Kyle Allen isn't good enough.

Haskins made absolutely zero progress this season. Still absolutely dogshit footwork. It's not even footwork because he doesn't even use them at all. I just don't understand it. But he is done here. Unplayable.

Gonna have to draft a young QB in the 1st couple rounds. I don't think we have an option.

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You simply have to draft a QB of the future and play him. Having a starting qb on a rookie deal is the best way to try and get a SB. Especially when you will have to pay guys on the d-line. We will probably lose one of them to be honest. No re- treads. Darnold is garbage. Guys like him are not the future of the league. We need a guy who can create offense can carry the team when the defense has a bad day. No pure drop back guys, they will be extinct in a few years.

However, I would have to think hard about Matt Stafford if he comes available, simply because he still has an elite arm and mobility. The Lions will have the chance to draft a rookie and with a new regime coming in a divorce may be what's best for everyone. I'd keep an eye out there. You put him on this team and we are the best in the division.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1268361]Call Andrew Luck!! As other teams have proven, you can get a QB late in the 1st round or lower rounds. Jackson, Wilson, Brady come to mind.[/QUOTE]



I would fuckin bust a nut if Luck decided to play for us.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268342[B]]If Smith is healthy (not the Smith we saw last night), I'm ok with rolling with him for one more year.[/B] I do think if that is your plan though, you have to have a better insurance policy than Haskins. I am hopeful that they have their eyes on a couple college QBs they like, and are able to draft "their guy" in the early rounds - even if they have to move up (like the Sweat move) to get him. I am not a fan of going after a Stafford/Fitz type vet, unless Smith is not healthy enough to go. I would take Dak in a heartbeat if Dallas can't/doesn't get anything done there, but I suspect he gets another tag if not a contract. The two best scenarios to me are: 1. Alex is healthy enough to go next year and they are able to draft a QB in the middle rounds to sit a year behind him. 2. A QB they really like falls into their lap early, and he is the guy from day 1. Either way, I like bringing back Kyle Allen as the insurance policy.[/quote]

Healthy or not he should not be an option. I don't even want him as a back up to be honest. He can't escape the rush at all. He can't push the ball downfield. He is simply a 10 yards and under QB. We can't even get the ball our wr's cause of the QB.

It's been a great story but it needs to come to an end. I hope Alex retires to be honest.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1268363]I'm more concerned about the QB for the present.



With Smith we can get into the playoffs and maybe make some noise.



Without Smith I'm worried about just getting to the playoffs.[/QUOTE]



[emoji817] which is why I mentioned this season isn’t over, but however this year shakes out it is a crossroads we are approaching and there is no way around it. With the exception of DH or Alex just catching such lightning in a bottle....

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1268361]Call Andrew Luck!! As other teams have proven, you can get a QB late in the 1st round or lower rounds. Jackson, Wilson, Brady come to mind.[/quote]

He is one of those guys that just doesn't need football. His body let him down and he said f it. Good for him. He ain't coming back.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1268379]You simply have to draft a QB of the future and play him. Having a starting qb on a rookie deal is the best way to try and get a SB. Especially when you will have to pay guys on the d-line. We will probably lose one of them to be honest. No re- treads. Darnold is garbage. Guys like him are not the future of the league. We need a guy who can create offense can carry the team when the defense has a bad day. No pure drop back guys, they will be extinct in a few years.

However, I would have to think hard about Matt Stafford if he comes available, simply because he still has an elite arm and mobility. The Lions will have the chance to draft a rookie and with a new regime coming in a divorce may be what's best for everyone. I'd keep an eye out there. You put him on this team and we are the best in the division.[/quote]

I send them our first rounder which will be mid first at best and call it a day. Cut Smith for cap room to absorb Stafford. Move Haskins for a seventh rounder...just to get the contract off book.

Kyle Allen as the back up to Stafford

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Jimmy G is a prime cut candidate imo. Not sure if Id want him but hes better than what we have on the roster currently

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[quote=MTK;1268363]I'm more concerned about the QB for the present.

With Smith we can get into the playoffs and maybe make some noise.

Without Smith I'm worried about just getting to the playoffs.[/quote]

We are one and done w/ him cause when you get to the playoffs the teams will be able to score. Putting the d out there like we did yesterday time after time doesn't work against playoff teams. We can't sustain drives.

Watch, this week playing Wilson will be a different animal for the defense. Wilson is not Mullins. He is going to make plays and we don't have the offense to match.

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We're not scoring with DH either and he will likely turn the ball over and make things even worse. Give me Smith over DH all day.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1268383]Healthy or not he should not be an option. I don't even want him as a back up to be honest. He can't escape the rush at all. He can't push the ball downfield. He is simply a 10 yards and under QB. We can't even get the ball our wr's cause of the QB.

It's been a great story but it needs to come to an end. I hope Alex retires to be honest.[/quote]

Smith is an option, and he HAS to be an option. At this point he's the only guarantee this team has (providing he is healthy enough to play).

There's no guarantee they get a day 1 ready QB in the draft. It's possible, but it is definitely not a guarantee.

There's no guarantee that they can lure a Veteran QB that is an upgrade to Smith.

There's no guarantee that DH will make any progress that puts him ahead of Smith.

Currently, Smith is the best option.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268407]Smith is an option, and he HAS to be an option. At this point he's the only guarantee this team has (providing he is healthy enough to play).

There's no guarantee they get a day 1 ready QB in the draft. It's possible, but it is definitely not a guarantee.

There's no guarantee that they can lure a Veteran QB that is an upgrade to Smith.

There's no guarantee that DH will make any progress that puts him ahead of Smith.

Currently, Smith is the best option.[/quote]

There are better options than Smith in FA. All he basically does is throw to backs and short passes to wr's. He can't make plays out of the pocket like he did in KC. He can't even run read option plays. He is too easy to defend.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1268469]There are better options than Smith in FA. All he basically does is throw to backs and short passes to wr's. He can't make plays out of the pocket like he did in KC. He can't even run read option plays. He is too easy to defend.[/quote]

Yet the Skins/WFT are 9-3 with him starting. We have to get a qb of the future there is no doubt, but what FA guy is going to do better than that record? Not Darnold, Newton, or any other guy that the Skins is likely to bring in.

Wft quarterback of the future
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1268470]Yet the Skins/WFT are 9-3 with him starting. We have to get a qb of the future there is no doubt, but what FA guy is going to do better than that record? Not Darnold, Newton, or any other guy that the Skins is likely to bring in.[/QUOTE]



Stafford, Fitzmagic are two guys id be happier with next year if we don’t draft someone who instantly pans out. Jimmy G someone mentioned. Andy Dalton. Phillip Rivers has been hot. Id take any of them over Alex until we get our future guy. I believe those guys are all available. Hell Dak might be if the Boys keep fucking that up. Id look at Wentz for sure. He definitely had it in recent history maybe just a bad year or bad fit there? Idk about Alex being the best option next year.
That 9-3 record is not all it appears. He would be lower in the ole win column if not for our D. And honestly his last run as a starter was not exactly him putting the team on his back.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1268471]Stafford, Fitzmagic are two guys id be happier with next year if we don’t draft someone who instantly pans out. Jimmy G someone mentioned. Andy Dalton. Phillip Rivers has been hot. Id take any of them over Alex until we get our future guy. I believe those guys are all available. Hell Dak might be if the Boys keep fucking that up. Id look at Wentz for sure. He definitely had it in recent history maybe just a bad year or bad fit there? Idk about Alex being the best option next year.
That 9-3 record is not all it appears. He would be lower in the ole win column if not for our D. And honestly his last run as a starter was not exactly him putting the team on his back.[/QUOTE]You can win with Alex but also grow with a rookie. Dalton and Fitz would be placeholders just like Alex. And other teams has beens are barely better than Haskins. If Alex is good for a year that he is under contract for any way, stick with him and bring in a qb for the future.

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[quote=punch it in;1268471]Stafford, Fitzmagic are two guys id be happier with next year if we don’t draft someone who instantly pans out. Jimmy G someone mentioned. Andy Dalton. Phillip Rivers has been hot. Id take any of them over Alex until we get our future guy. I believe those guys are all available. Hell Dak might be if the Boys keep fucking that up. Id look at Wentz for sure. He definitely had it in recent history maybe just a bad year or bad fit there? Idk about Alex being the best option next year.
That 9-3 record is not all it appears. He would be lower in the ole win column if not for our D. And honestly his last run as a starter was not exactly him putting the team on his back.[/quote]

So, what's the plan, take the $32 million cap hit AND bring in a guy like Stafford, Fitz, etc. and pay them what they are going to demand? No way that is happening.

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I'd look at a trade for Stafford if we could somehow get around his huge cap hit. Defense is really good right now and will likely be hard to keep all of our defensive pieces together in time to wait for a late 1st round qb to develop.

Trade for Stafford or someone of that ilk, then draft a QB in round 3-4 to develop under him for 3 years or so.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1268473]So, what's the plan, take the $32 million cap hit AND bring in a guy like Stafford, Fitz, etc. and pay them what they are going to demand? No way that is happening.[/QUOTE]



If it is the difference between winning and losing then yes. Keep Alex as a backup. Whatever you would be paying his replacement comes right off the top. Offer Alex a position for life and work a deal? Idk. Not my job. But he cannot start 16 games next year and us expect to be serious contenders. So however they make it happen make it happen.

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Also there are other contacts that could be done. RK amongst them. Love the guy but is he really necessary at this point with that group? Sure there are others. Bottom line is we are not “stuck” with Alex as the starter next year. Those guys get alot of money. Figure it the fuck out and get us a good quarterback while we have this defense locked up. This defense is ready to beat anyone anytime now.

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You draft another young QB, keep Smith to mentor him, we need someone to move the ball, our O will be fine next year. We have contracts of key players coming up and the last you want to do is to throw unnecessary cash. Fitzmagic is hot and cold, no thanks. The others are cost prohibitive.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1268478][B]You draft another young QB, keep Smith to mentor him, [/B]we need someone to move the ball, our O will be fine next year. We have contracts of key players coming up and the last you want to do is to throw unnecessary cash. Fitzmagic is hot and cold, no thanks. The others are cost prohibitive.[/quote]


This --- draft a QB to be the man. Keep Smith here to start the first couple of games, and mentor the youngster. Kyle Allen can be the third guy in the room.

Rookie QB cap hit would make it possible to keep the DLine together, if we are inclined. Jonathon Allen has been phenomenal, but, if push came to shove, he'd be the guy I would let go. With Ioannidis, Settle and Daron Payne, your looking good on the inside. But hanging on to J Allen should be a goal.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1268479]This --- draft a QB to be the man. Keep Smith here to start the first couple of games, and mentor the youngster. Kyle Allen can be the third guy in the room.

Rookie QB cap hit would make it possible to keep the DLine together, if we are inclined. Jonathon Allen has been phenomenal, but, if push came to shove, he'd be the guy I would let go. With Ioannidis, Settle and Daron Payne, your looking good on the inside. But hanging on to J Allen should be a goal.[/quote]

He's a captain, they would not get rid of him. I wish we could keep all of them, I hate the salary cap and free agency.

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IF Stafford had been our starting QB this year .. I believe we would have at least 3-4 more wins and be a threat in the playoffs ... I’m I crazy ..😀

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I dont know the right answer but I actually trust Rivera and this new WFT structure/staff to do due diligence and develop the right plan.



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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1268478]You draft another young QB, keep Smith to mentor him, we need someone to move the ball, our O will be fine next year. We have contracts of key players coming up and the last you want to do is to throw unnecessary cash. Fitzmagic is hot and cold, no thanks. The others are cost prohibitive.[/QUOTE]



That is fine. See you in 2022. Maybe. If the guy pans out. Because Smith and Allen and DH are not winning us a super bowl next year. They are not bringing us close to one.
I have no problem with drafting a quarterback but we need a more productive stop gap to mentor him because we can win big with one while the youngster learns. The rest of this team is good enough to win big now. The Quarterback position is literally holding us back.
I think taking the money into account and taking your time is fine ... unless our draftee turns into DH again. I believe there is a way to get someone better than Smith for next year that gives us a chance to win without breaking the bank and mortgaging our future all while grooming someone for the future.

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Matthew stafford .. would be my answer for next 3-4 years with the D we have in place now .. that is our best chance to win it all ... we have a small window with this D ... a rookie will take a while to get the hang .. I’m looking at all the vets who possibly could be had ... I know it would be pricey however it could be done...