Should we be drafting Tua???
 

So as the draft gets closer, more and more rumors begin to swirl. The draft options that have predominantly been talked about are:

Option A: Draft Chase Young
Option B: If a team offers a king ransom, trade down.

Tua’s medical just recently checked out very positively. I’m warming up more and more to the idea of taking Tua at 2 over Young if RR likes what he sees. Remember, prior to the injury he was the number 1 QB prospect. I think he still would be if it wasn’t for his hip injury. Also, if you go off of their grades coming out of college, Tua graded out significantly higher than Haskins. Maybe RR wants the QB to be HIS guy.

So just to spark another rumor convo, what do y’all think about:

Option C: Drafting Tua

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Honestly, I'm tired of depending on players that have potential for medical issues down the line. I'm sure Tua will be fine down the road, but after having dealt with some many injuries and injury-prone key players. I'd rather not.

I know it is a bit of a close-minded statement. But let's roll with Haskins, especially given the improvement he shown late in the season.

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This really is a good Question, his potential is out the roof. Wilson like but can he stay healthy in the NFL? Deadly accurate passer, great footwork, stronger arm than people think. It's not a bad choice if you can move Haskins for a 2nd but I'm on the Chase train so I'd rather not

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1245423]Honestly, I'm tired of depending on players that have potential for medical issues down the line. I'm sure Tua will be fine down the road, but after having dealt with some many injuries and injury-prone key players. I'd rather not.



I know it is a bit of a close-minded statement. But let's roll with Haskins, especially given the improvement he shown late in the season.[/QUOTE]



I don’t disagree. Like I said I’m just warming up to the thought of it but not sold on it. I trust RR to make the right decision at QB and I’m hopeful that’s Haskins because then we’ll be able to unleash Chase Young. I just wonder sometimes, in actuality what is Haskins Ceiling. He has some Big Ben qualities to him. Pretty mobile for his size unlike people said during the draft last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1245423]Honestly, I'm tired of depending on players that have potential for medical issues down the line. I'm sure Tua will be fine down the road, but after having dealt with some many injuries and injury-prone key players. I'd rather not.

I know it is a bit of a close-minded statement. But let's roll with Haskins, especially given the improvement he shown late in the season.[/quote]

I agree. First, he is a talented passer..the optics are correct

But like it or not, his frame has proven not to be reliable and IMO its very concerning. He had a "tweaked knee" in 2018 and then had the ankle which required surgery. The ankle injury in real time...was a very normal football play which happens all the time. Not good

The hip thing...pretty serious injury this year.

He's not a big guy, thin frame. Its not like Russell Wilson or Jackson where they are small but more "solid" of a frame.

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i just think Tau could do more for us then Chase Young, saying if both became elite QB has more impact then Edge

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[quote=Chico23231;1245427]I agree. First, he is a talented passer..the optics are correct

But like it or not, his frame has proven not to be reliable and IMO its very concerning. He had a "tweaked knee" in 2018 and then had the ankle which required surgery. The ankle injury in real time...was a very normal football play which happens all the time. Not good

The hip thing...pretty serious injury this year.

[B]He's not a big guy, thin frame. Its not like Russell Wilson or Jackson where they are small but more "solid" of a frame[/B].[/quote]

tau 6' 217lbs
Jackson 6'2" 212lbs
wilson 5' 11" 215

they are pretty the same person frame wise.

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[quote=mredskins;1245429]tau 6' 217lbs
Jackson 6'2" 212lbs
wilson 5' 11" 215

they are pretty the same person frame wise.[/quote]

With pads on...you think so?

Wilson is compact, thicker frame no doubt.

Look at Lamar Jackson neck...that guy looks stronger and can take a hit.

You better have a great Oline for Tau.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245434]With pads on...you think so?

Wilson is compact, thicker frame no doubt.

Look at Lamar Jackson neck...that guy looks stronger and can take a hit.

You better have a great Oline for Tau.[/quote]

Dude there is like a three pound variance between them.

Now those 3 compared to Big Ben 6'5" 241 lbs that is dealt worth discussing.

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Nothing about the draft is cast in concrete. I'm sure that Tua will be thoroughly evaluated as the possible #2 pick by the Redskins, as will Burrow. I could ask you the question "What should we do if the Bengals draft Tua or Young instead of Burrow?" I mean, the options could turn out to be to choose between any two of those three players or to trade the pick. It hurts my brain to think of all the possibilities. That's why RR gets paid the big bucks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245436]Nothing about the draft is cast in concrete. I'm sure that Tua will be thoroughly evaluated as the possible #2 pick by the Redskins, as will Burrow. I could ask you the question "What should we do if the Bengals draft Tua or Young instead of Burrow?" I mean, the options could turn out to be to choose between any two of those three players or to trade the pick. It hurts my brain to think of all the possibilities. That's why RR gets paid the big bucks.[/quote]

correct.

Look at the nba draft few years back, Fultz was the man he was going to Boston no question he is the man, then Danny trades the pick and the Celtics have Tatum now.

nothing is etch in stone, burrow is not andrew luck coming out.

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Draft Chase Young and see what you have with Haskins.

If Haskins is a dud, you can trade Young in 3 or 4 years (think Khalil Mack trade) and draft your next Franchise QB.

Young is the safest pick in this draft.

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[quote=jamf;1245442]Draft Chase Young and see what you have with Haskins.

If Haskins is a dud, you can trade Young in 3 or 4 years (think Khalil Mack trade) and draft your next Franchise QB.

Young is the safest pick in this draft.[/quote]

Yeah but franchise Qb's don't grow on trees, if Tua is available and he can be a top 10 QB for the next 10-12 years you have to take him.. Of course we don't know that, it's all based on projections.

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I've got blinders on and I don't care, I want Young.

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put the card in already. Chase Young now

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IMO NO we have become the TEAM that likes shinny new things we never support what we have. DH will be a GREAT QB he just needs to know this organization has his back.

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Haskins + Young > Tua. And my son went to Alabama, so I've always been a big Tua fan. But drafting Young or trading down for a king's ransom are the best choices here, IMO.

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Surprisingly .... Im fine with either.

RR and team likes Tua that much, go with Tua.

If youre not convinced Tua is a franchise QB, go Chase Young.

Hell, if we get offered 3 1st R, im cool with trading the no. 2 overall (as long as we stay in the top 6 for 2020).

Id favor just taking Chase Young and not over thinking this thing though.

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[quote=Number44;1245452]Haskins + Young > Tua. And my son went to Alabama, so I've always been a big Tua fan. But drafting Young or trading down for a king's ransom are the best choices here, IMO.[/quote]

Possibly. However, the coaches could believe Haskins is a bust, Young is overrated, and Tua is one of the top QB prospects to enter the league in years.

QB is the most important position in professional sports. Pass rusher is a distant second post important position on a team. It all comes down to how the current coaching staff evaluates Haskins.

In a very small sample size, he has shown incredibly poor leadership, judgement, and commitment to being a pro. He's also shown steady improvement on the field. So its a mixed bag. What he does over the next two months is critical. He has the all the physical and mental tools. If he shows the leadership and commitment, I say you keep rolling with him as your starting QB and build around him. If he doesn't, then I'd really evaluate the QBs in the draft and go after one of them if Rivera and Turner loves him.

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You can win a SB with a really GOOD DEFENSE just ask Trent Dilfer.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1245455]You can win a SB with a really GOOD DEFENSE just ask Trent Dilfer.[/quote]

That was an all time defense, not just a good one

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It's easy to say let's roll with Haskins and take Young...however, we'd all go back in time to 2012...keep the picks and draft Russell Wilson knowing what we know now. And Tua could very well be the next Wilson, we've all seen the talent and in huge games. He's got "IT"...and he's also gotten injured, even behind a good Oline. It's a tough decision. Would you draft Khalil Mack over Russell Wilson...if you already had Jacoby Brissett as your QB now??

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[quote=Redskins247;1245459]It's easy to say let's roll with Haskins and take Young...however, we'd all go back in time to 2012...keep the picks and draft Russell Wilson knowing what we know now. And Tua could very well be the next Wilson, we've all seen the talent and in huge games. He's got "IT"...and he's also gotten injured, even behind a good Oline. It's a tough decision. Would you draft Khalil Mack over Russell Wilson...if you already had Jacoby Brissett as your QB now??[/quote]

Tua could also be the next RG3.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245454]Possibly. However, the coaches could believe Haskins is a bust, Young is overrated, and Tua is one of the top QB prospects to enter the league in years.

QB is the most important position in professional sports. Pass rusher is a distant second post important position on a team. It all comes down to how the current coaching staff evaluates Haskins.

In a very small sample size, he has shown incredibly poor leadership, judgement, and commitment to being a pro. He's also shown steady improvement on the field. So its a mixed bag. What he does over the next two months is critical. He has the all the physical and mental tools. If he shows the leadership and commitment, I say you keep rolling with him as your starting QB and build around him. If he doesn't, then I'd really evaluate the QBs in the draft and go after one of them if Rivera and Turner loves him.[/quote]

BHA I really don't disagree with you that much but I find this hilarious. Incredibly poor leadership and judgement, and commitment to being a pro? This reads not like a balanced and informed opinion, but like you walked in on Haskins banging your wife.

Is the kid the second coming of Brady? No. Is the kid Jamarcus Russell? Until he brings in a blank cd and tells Coach Rivera he studied the tape, also no. All you can say for certain (since none of us know the kid or work with him every day at Redskins Park) is that he showed drastic improvement from his first two games to his last two games. And that's with 3 rookie starting wideouts, a backup to the backup tight end starting, and an average offensive line missing its' best player. And a 34yo HOF running back getting most of the snaps for the year.

This is a no-brainer for me. You spend your 2nd overall pick on Tua, you have doomed your 15th overall pick from 2019 to being relegated to permanent bust status forever. Unless Rivera has seen enough to know he doesn't want Haskins around (which judging by [URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/26/ron-rivera-calls-dwayne-haskins-a-very-good-young-player/"]his recent comments[/URL] doesn't sound like it) it sounds like Haskins will be the guy. It's a 2 option board for me, you draft Young at 2, or you trade down and draft Young at 3 or a different guy at 5 or lower (after receiving a massive trade offer of course).

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No to Tua.

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Absolutely not! We just draft Haskins last year in the first round. At least give him some time to prove he's not the guy before drafting another qb. If we were going to draft another qb it sure as hell shouldn't be Tua. This dude is injury prone.

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[quote=MTK;1245449]I've got blinders on and I don't care, I want Young.[/quote]

Here here.

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The only acceptable reason we don't come out of this draft with Chase Young, is if the Bengals make the right call (for them), and take him 1st overall.

Unless that's the case, don't care if it's even the Dolphins 1st round picks, I'll be upset if CY is not on our team.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1245467]No to Tua.[/quote]

I would say no to him at #2 even if it was last year and we didn't have Haskins. I do not like his injury history. The NFL has gone crazy with the QB position as far as reaching in the draft. You watch, he won't be durable enough to play 16 games a year in the NFL on a consistent basis.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1245491]I would say no to him at #2 even if it was last year and we didn't have Haskins. I do not like his injury history. The NFL has gone crazy with the QB position as far as reaching in the draft. You watch, he won't be durable enough to play 16 games a year in the NFL on a consistent basis.[/quote]

It's because KC moving up for Mahomes happened. You HAVE to have a QB, Chase Young is great but without a good QB he doesn't bring much value to the team from a winning standpoint. So I can see the logic

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Who listens to Mel Kiper lol. He sad Jimmy Clausen was the most NFL ready QB when entering the draft. Or Jamarcus Russel is the next Elway. If your a football fan listen the scouts and players that actually played because they are making the most sense right now lol. Like Charlie Casserly said to the junkies "we have a couple of months of people who are talking about what they don't know about".
Mel Kiper wrong Predictions
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiL-yTNa6QY[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7J9w6gXxZA[/url]

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Nobody has a perfect record when predicting the draft. I wouldn't just completely disregard what Kiper says.

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Mcshay says "I Know for a fact Miami wants Joe Burrow and could try a trade to #1"

That would be crazy

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If Tua didn't have the hip injury this would be a much more interesting conversation. I think he would be in the convo for #1 overall too.

If we didn't take Haskins last year I think Tua would be worth the risk. But unless you think Haskins is a more than likely bust this is a silly discussion.

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Most Accurate 2019 NFL Mock Draft: Kiper, McShay, Miller or Jeremiah?

Most correct picks, most correct slot-and-team picks and biggest whiffs.

Updated on April 26, 2019 at 11:58 AM EDT

Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremiah hit on nine of 32 first-round picks in their final NFL mock drafts, the best among the four most prominent draft analysts.

Both McShay and Jeremiah nailed the first three picks -- Kyler Murray, Nick Bosa and Quinnen Williams -- as did Mel Kiper Jr. Bleacher Report's Matt Miller, meanwhile, hit on Murray and Bosa but projected the New York Jets would select Ed Oliver instead of Williams.

Draft analyst comparison by draft slot only (for example, McShay mocked Devin Bush to the Denver Broncos at No. 10, and while the Pittsburgh Steelers selected Bush at No. 10, McShay still gets credit for hitting on Bush at No. 10):

McShay: 9 correct picks
Jeremiah: 9
Miller: 8
Kiper: 7

Draft slot and team (e.g. Murray and the Cardinals at No. 1):

McShay: 8
Jeremiah: 8
Miller: 6
Kiper: 6

PODCAST: Kiper on 2nd-Round Talent, Day 3 WRs

Team (e.g. credit for Daniel Jones to the Giants at No. 17):

Jeremiah: 9
McShay: 8
Kiper: 7
Miller: 6

First-rounders (number of their picks who went in the first round regardless of draft position):

McShay: 25
Jeremiah: 25
Kiper: 25
Miller: 24

[url]https://herosports.com/nfl-draft/accurate-2019-mock-draft-kiper-mcshay-miller-jeremiah-ahah[/url]

Should we do a combine/NFL draft thread? is there one that im not seeing?

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It seems every year at this time people get amnesia regarding the high pick draft busts of years gone by. All media hype runs rampant these days, generational talents are a dime a dozen in all major sports drafts and the weatherman claims we have a storm of the century every week.

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[quote=MTK;1245519]If Tua didn't have the hip injury this would be a much more interesting conversation. I think he would be in the convo for #1 overall too.

If we didn't take Haskins last year I think Tua would be worth the risk. But unless you think Haskins is a more than likely bust this is a silly discussion.[/quote]

He's had a couple other nagging injuries too. He's already injury prone and hasn't taken an NFL snap.

IMO Tua is hands down better than Haskins. He has the potential to be an elite thrower/passer. On top of that there are no maturity issues or questionable things with work ethic or leadership. He just has the "it" factor. But we just can't take the risk on him.

As for Young, he's also most likely going to be a great player. But you need a great QB in order to try and compete for a championship, not a great DE. The difference in the SB was KC has one and SF didn't. So I always feel if you have a chance to upgrade at QB you have to take that chance.

The teams with the elite QB will always have a shot at winning a SB. The ones that don't have no chance.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1245530]He's had a couple other nagging injuries too. He's already injury prone and hasn't taken an NFL snap.



IMO Tua is hands down better than Haskins. He has the potential to be an elite thrower/passer. On top of that there are no maturity issues or questionable things with work ethic or leadership. He just has the "it" factor. But we just can't take the risk on him.



As for Young, he's also most likely going to be a great player. But you need a great QB in order to try and compete for a championship, not a great DE. The difference in the SB was KC has one and SF didn't. So I always feel if you have a chance to upgrade at QB you have to take that chance.



The teams with the elite QB will always have a shot at winning a SB. The ones that don't have no chance.[/QUOTE]



Well said. If the team does not think Haskins is likely to ever be elite, but believes Tua can be, this is a no brainer - you draft Tua.

So far, to me, Haskins seems destined to be a middling QB. Not elite, not bad, but a serviceable starter. You don’t pass up on an elite QB because you have one that’s just OK.


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[quote=skinsfan69;1245530]He's had a couple other nagging injuries too. He's already injury prone and hasn't taken an NFL snap.

IMO Tua is hands down better than Haskins. He has the potential to be an elite thrower/passer. On top of that there are no maturity issues or questionable things with work ethic or leadership. He just has the "it" factor. But we just can't take the risk on him.

As for Young, he's also most likely going to be a great player. But you need a great QB in order to try and compete for a championship, not a great DE. The difference in the SB was KC has one and SF didn't. So I always feel if you have a chance to upgrade at QB you have to take that chance.

The teams with the elite QB will always have a shot at winning a SB. The ones that don't have no chance.[/quote]

This is how I feel as well. If Young becomes the next Lawrence Taylor, and Haskins can be as good as Phil Simms...then maybe we have a shot at making it work like Giants did back then. But Kerrigan it seems will still be here, so the cubbard is not bare at DE at all...but there's still a big ? at the most important position on the field and we have a draft pick that can give us a potential upgrade. Just because Haskins looked better towards the end of the season, is certainly no guarantee it will continue...everyone said the same thing about Trubisky after the 2018 season...how do Bears fans feel now?

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This is from cbssports.com most recent mock draft. I feel a little naughty for posting this.

NFL MOCK DRAFT ROUND 1

Round 1 - Pick 1

Joe Burrow QB
LSU • SR • 6'4" / 221 LBS
PROJECTED TEAM
Cincinnati
PROSPECT RNK
2nd
POSITION RNK
1st
Joe Burrow silenced any concerns that he would refuse to play for Cincinnati. It was the only obstacle remaining before the two parties came together.

Round 1 - Pick 2

[B]Tua Tagovailoa[/B] QB
ALABAMA • JR • 6'0" / 217 LBS
PROJECTED TEAM
[B]Washington[/B]
PROSPECT RNK
3rd
POSITION RNK
1st

If the NFL Draft were a straight forward venture then there would be no need for mock drafts. A year ago, the Cardinals selected Kyler Murray one year after drafting Josh Rosen in the top 10. If Washington comes to the conclusion that Tagovailoa is a better long-term option than Dwayne Haskins, why would they not take him and then deal Haskins for additional draft capital?