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In 2002, Jack Del Rio took over the league’s worst defense in Carolina and turned it into the NFL’s second-ranked unit; in 2012 he took Broncos from 20th-ranked defense to second.” - Adam Schefter

As a defensive coordinator, Jack Del Rios’ defenses finished : 2nd,2nd,3rd and 19th.

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Brought over from the other thread. Jack Del Rio resume:

- in 2002, joins Carolina Panthers as defensive coordinator, defense finishes ranked 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 31st in the year before. (overlaps with current Panthers GM Marty Hurney that year, who took over as GM of the Panthers in 2002 as his first GM job)

- in 2003 becomes the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Defense finishes 6th in yards allowed, compared to 20th in the year before.

- in 2012 becomes the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos, they finish 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 20th the year before.

There were of course other stops in there. But like Rivera, a clear track record of immediate defensive improvement in the first year.

Worth noting of course that in 2015 Wade Phillips replaced him as defensive coordinator and put together an all time defense. A lot of Broncos fans would say Del Rio's defenses were not aggressive enough - too bland - rushing 4 and not blitzing enough.

If Chase Young is a part of the front 4, I don't think we'll have to blitz much. Regardless, this is leaps and bounds beyond Greg Manusky. HTTR

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[quote=Schneed10;1241436]Brought over from the other thread. Jack Del Rio resume:

- in 2002, joins Carolina Panthers as defensive coordinator, defense finishes ranked 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 31st in the year before. (overlaps with current Panthers GM Marty Hurney that year, who took over as GM of the Panthers in 2002 as his first GM job)

- in 2003 becomes the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Defense finishes 6th in yards allowed, compared to 20th in the year before.

- in 2012 becomes the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos, they finish 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 20th the year before.

There were of course other stops in there. But like Rivera, a clear track record of immediate defensive improvement in the first year.

Worth noting of course that in 2015 Wade Phillips replaced him as defensive coordinator and put together an all time defense. A lot of Broncos fans would say Del Rio's defenses were not aggressive enough - too bland - rushing 4 and not blitzing enough.

If Chase Young is a part of the front 4, I don't think we'll have to blitz much. Regardless, this is leaps and bounds beyond Greg Manusky. HTTR[/quote]

Great hire IMO, I love what this team is doing right now. You can't ask for a better set up as a fan. Proven winning culture from the HC/DC and you keep a young talented Offensive mind in place.

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Big fan of his since he was a LB at USC where he was a maniac.

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[quote=Schneed10;1241436]Brought over from the other thread. Jack Del Rio resume:

- in 2002, joins Carolina Panthers as defensive coordinator, defense finishes ranked 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 31st in the year before. (overlaps with current Panthers GM Marty Hurney that year, who took over as GM of the Panthers in 2002 as his first GM job)

- in 2003 becomes the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Defense finishes 6th in yards allowed, compared to 20th in the year before.

- in 2012 becomes the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos, they finish 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 20th the year before.

There were of course other stops in there. But like Rivera, a clear track record of immediate defensive improvement in the first year.

Worth noting of course that in 2015 Wade Phillips replaced him as defensive coordinator and put together an all time defense. A lot of Broncos fans would say Del Rio's defenses were not aggressive enough - too bland - rushing 4 and not blitzing enough.

If Chase Young is a part of the front 4, I don't think we'll have to blitz much. Regardless, this is leaps and bounds beyond Greg Manusky. HTTR[/quote]

Thanks for sharing the details, I wasn't sure about this move but now with the info, it doesn't look like a bad move at all.

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It'll be a 4-3 defense is Del Rio goes off his coaching record. Which IMO really doesn't make a huge difference , we will have the DL to get pressure though

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[quote=GridIron26;1241454]Thanks for sharing the details, I wasn't sure about this move but now with the info, it doesn't look like a bad move at all.[/quote]

Agree, he had some iffy defense his last stop raiders and I had heard he wasn’t aggressive (more bend don’t break). But I’m excited by the news...seems like he is a baller DC....finally have a solid pedigree at DC

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He and Rivera are both a rush four, blitz less type defense. It works when you have the horses up front. Ioannidis, Allen, Payne, Kerrigan, Sweat, Chase Young (plz). Quite a rotation along the front four. Settle and Payne anchor your goalline package when a run stop is needed. And you have a lot of options to go with a NASCAR pass rush on known passing situations.

Will be interesting to see where Ryan Anderson fits. He's the tweener in this setup.

Best news of all: no more dropping Sweat and Kerrigan into coverage.

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[quote=Schneed10;1241466]He and Rivera are both a rush four, blitz less type defense. It works when you have the horses up front. Ioannidis, Allen, Payne, Kerrigan, Sweat, Chase Young (plz). Quite a rotation along the front four. Settle and Payne anchor your goalline package when a run stop is needed. And you have a lot of options to go with a NASCAR pass rush on known passing situations.

Will be interesting to see where Ryan Anderson fits. He's the tweener in this setup.

Best news of all: no more dropping Sweat and Kerrigan into coverage.[/quote]

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2019/12/30/reports-redskins-could-switch-to-4-3-base-defense-in-2020/[/url]

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This is a GREAT hire! He has taken mediocre defenses and made them into top 5 or even top 2or 3 rated very quickly. He is a disciplinarian and specializes against the run - which we need in the NFC East!

This unit has a lot of good players but has been poorly coached for years now. Gone will be the vanilla and predictable schemes of Manusky! We’ll see a lot of energized blitzes and many more sacks.

I am drooling thinking of what Jack could do with Chase Young!! We will have an elite front 4 I predict the next season.


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[QUOTE=Warthog;1241471]This is a GREAT hire! He has taken mediocre defenses and made them into top 5 or even top 2or 3 rated very quickly. He is a disciplinarian and specializes against the run - which we need in the NFC East!

This unit has a lot of good players but has been poorly coached for years now. Gone will be the vanilla and predictable schemes of Manusky! We’ll see a lot of energized blitzes and many more sacks.

I am drooling thinking of what Jack could do with Chase Young!! We will have an elite front 4 I predict the next season.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I think the biggest criticism of Manusky has been his defenses have been the opposite of vanilla, they have been so exotic the CB's and LB's were confused and thinking too much.

I also have read what all the other posters have, that he doesn't blitz much at all.

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Let's hit some motherfuckers in their mouths in 2020. I am frothing at the mouth with Redskins Koolaid for next season. We can actually he excited.

Note - Eff you Bruce. Take your Gatorade bottle and GTFO.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1241483]Let's hit some motherfuckers in their mouths in 2020. I am frothing at the mouth with Redskins Koolaid for next season. We can actually he excited.

Note - Eff you Bruce. Take your Gatorade bottle and GTFO.[/quote]

Me too, I'm as exited as I was with Shanny coming in

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I'd suggest a 4-3 predicated on stopping the run is our priority, given 2 of the best RBs are in our division, and being able to bring pressure with the front 4 and moderate blitzing (thus keeping LBs in position to play run or pass better) suits us. What we need is an O that keeps the D off the filed foo much, keeping them fresh. Hopefully fixing the OL and passing game in general sorts that out.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1241483][B]Let's hit some motherfuckers in their mouths in 2020[/B]. I am frothing at the mouth with Redskins Koolaid for next season. We can actually he excited.

Note - Eff you Bruce. Take your Gatorade bottle and GTFO.[/quote]

I enjoy hitting as much as the next guy, used to love those bone-shaking hits Sean Taylor laid out back in the day. But this ain't Sean Taylor's NFL anymore, even big hits where the defender leads with the shoulder are getting penalized. I think the NFL is trying to regulate big hits out of the game.

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[quote=mooby;1241515]I enjoy hitting as much as the next guy, used to love those bone-shaking hits Sean Taylor laid out back in the day. But this ain't Sean Taylor's NFL anymore, even big hits where the defender leads with the shoulder are getting penalized. I think the NFL is trying to regulate big hits out of the game.[/quote]

[IMG]https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Debbie-Downer.jpg[/IMG]

:D

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[QUOTE=mooby;1241515]I enjoy hitting as much as the next guy, used to love those bone-shaking hits Sean Taylor laid out back in the day. But this ain't Sean Taylor's NFL anymore, even big hits where the defender leads with the shoulder are getting penalized. I think the NFL is trying to regulate big hits out of the game.[/QUOTE]You're right, but Rivera's teams have always played with an edge and an attitude, in a good way.

Del Rio's too, always through the whistle.

I think we have the personalities on defense in Allen, Payne, Sweat, Ioannidas, and Anderson to fit right in with the coaching mentality.

BS is a dog and even Flowers plays with a chip.

I'm really diggin it.

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We finally have professionals running the defense. It has been a long time since I could say that. The coaching and strategy on defensive side of the ball has been terrible for so long on this team, I could not watch. I used to yell at the TV all game. Real basic shit. Not sure why or why it took so long to get fixed. The only thing I can think of is we finally have some talent (especially on the D-line) that could attract a good coach. I remember Wade Phillips saying a few years back that he would not come here because we were devoid of talent on Defense. Not anymore.
The draft (#2 pick) could solidify us on defensive line and make us a brick wall with a scary pass rush. Chase Young looks special and I would lean that way in the draft. Offense can be fixed with lower picks and free agency. You cannot pass up the chance to be scary good on defense. We can dictate to opposing offenses.

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Did the redskins hire Jack del rio as DC?? I can’t find the story to that ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1241526]Did the redskins hire Jack del rio as DC?? I can’t find the story to that ..[/quote]

yes

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/12/31/21044404/adam-schefter-jack-del-rio-will-be-the-redskins-new-defensive-coordinator[/url]

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Thank you!! Dang it’s getting better.. wow!!

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One thing is for sure, the Defense will be much improved! The Offense may take some more time seeing as Haskins is still really young and raw but he will get there

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another really good hire I like jack too. leslie frazier I had in mind too..

like what im seeing and again want to see even more positives moving forward..

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[quote=rocnrik;1241526]Did the redskins hire Jack del rio as DC?? I can’t find the story to that ..[/quote]

He's the leading candidate. I haven't seen anything that says he's been hired yet. Everyone thought Steve Wilks was the defensive coordinator yesterday, even Wikipedia, and that turned out to be false. We'll see...

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1241478]I think the biggest criticism of Manusky has been his defenses have been the opposite of vanilla, they have been so exotic the CB's and LB's were confused and thinking too much.

I also have read what all the other posters have, that he doesn't blitz much at all.

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Manusky’s schemes were complex for the players, but the on-field result was little blitzing or stunting. There was little pressure on the QB and the results were predictably dismal. The Redskins were 27th in defense in 2019.

Jack Del Rio will take Manusky’s dumpster fire and turn this defense around. He’s taken several team’s defenses from near the bottom to very close to the top! We have some talented personnel that just need to be coached, motivated and instructed to reach their potential. I bet a guy like Sweat will double his sacks next year.


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[quote=Defensewins;1241524]We finally have professionals running the defense. It has been a long time since I could say that. The coaching and strategy on defensive side of the ball has been terrible for so long on this team, I could not watch. I used to yell at the TV all game. Real basic shit. Not sure why or why it took so long to get fixed. The only thing I can think of is we finally have some talent (especially on the D-line) that could attract a good coach. I remember Wade Phillips saying a few years back that he would not come here because we were devoid of talent on Defense. Not anymore.
The draft (#2 pick) could solidify us on defensive line and make us a brick wall with a scary pass rush. Chase Young looks special and I would lean that way in the draft. Offense can be fixed with lower picks and free agency. You cannot pass up the chance to be scary good on defense. We can dictate to opposing offenses.[/quote]

Scary good on defense? I think getting this defense back to middle of the pack would be quite an accomplishment.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1241545]Scary good on defense? I think getting this defense back to middle of the pack would be quite an accomplishment.[/QUOTE]



Jack has taken several defenses from where we are now (27th) to number 2 or 3 in the league. We have very good building block players on defense. Draft Chase Young and you have an elite talent in a key position. Continual pressure makes everyone on the defense look better.

I think that Del Rio could get this squad into the top third of the NFL, with Chase Young, some good draft picks, judicious use of FA in CB and DB. It’s about motivation, discipline, leadership, instruction and and aggressive and imaginative schemes. All which were lacking with Greg Manusky.
We can get into the top third of NFL defenses, in just one season. We can be in the top 5 in 2021. That’s something to get excited about -when was the last time we had an elite defense?



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[quote=mooby;1241515]I enjoy hitting as much as the next guy, used to love those bone-shaking hits Sean Taylor laid out back in the day. But this ain't Sean Taylor's NFL anymore, even big hits where the defender leads with the shoulder are getting penalized. I think the NFL is trying to regulate big hits out of the game.[/quote]

Yeah, I was moreso implying that let's play tough, hardnosed, flying to the ball defense and don't let offenses dictate what they will do. Not actually try and bash peoples brains in.

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[quote=Warthog;1241549]Jack has taken several defenses from where we are now (27th) to number 2 or 3 in the league. We have very good building block players on defense. Draft Chase Young and you have an elite talent in a key position. Continual pressure makes everyone on the defense look better. I think that Del Rio could get this squad into the top third of the NFL, with Chase Young, some good draft picks, judicious use of FA in CB and DB. [B][U]It’s about motivation, discipline, leadership, instruction and and aggressive and imaginative schemes.[/U][/B] All which were lacking with Greg Manusky.
We can get into the top third of NFL defenses, in just one season. We can be in the top 5 in 2021. That’s something to get excited about -when was the last time we had an elite defense?
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Yes sir. Better coaching and play calling is going to make us instantly better. It is so much easier when players are in the right position, playing solid technique and coached to improve each time they take the field. Young talented players improving...remember that?
We have a good young nucleus, adding Chase Young to: Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat and Tim Settle will create a deep line rotation that combines size, strength and pass rush. Putting Sweat at DE in a 4 man line opposite Chase on pass situations will make Sweat better.

Cut Paul Richardson (post June 1 designation) / [B]$6.5M saved[/B] and $2M cap hit.
Cut Jordan Reed / [B]$8.5M saved[/B] and $1.8M cap hit.
Cut Ryan Kerrigan / [B]$11.7M[/B] saved and $0 cap hit
Cut Josh Norman /[B] $12.5M[/B] saved and $3M hit

I would consider keeping Trent Williams if he is healthy, in shape and hungry to play.

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[quote=Defensewins;1241553]Yes sir. Better coaching and play calling is going to make us instantly better. It is so much easier when players are in the right position, playing solid technique and coached to improve each time they take the field. Young talented players improving...remember that?
We have a good young nucleus, adding Chase Young to: Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat and Tim Settle will create a deep line rotation that combines size, strength and pass rush. Putting Sweat at DE in a 4 man line opposite Chase on pass situations will make Sweat better.

Cut Paul Richardson (post June 1 designation) / [B]$6.5M saved[/B] and $2M cap hit.
Cut Jordan Reed / [B]$8.5M saved[/B] and $1.8M cap hit.
Cut Ryan Kerrigan / [B]$11.7M[/B] saved and $0 cap hit
Cut Josh Norman /[B] $12.5M[/B] saved and $3M hit

I would consider keeping Trent Williams if he is healthy, in shape and hungry to play.[/quote]

100% agree with everything you said. I would add let's lock up Scherff and Flowers as well.

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Will you folks please stop advocating for cutting Ryan Kerrigan. He is still an above average player IMHO. Also, depth has been an ongoing problem for this team. We now have an opportunity to have outstanding depth on the DL and the ability to keep our D-Linemen fresh. And, yes, he can certainly play DE in a 4-3 on passing downs.

Ryan has already said he wants to be in D.C. and would work something out with the Skins in order to stay.

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Yeah I really don’t get the multiple people calling for him to get cut. Don’t we want as many good edge rushers as possible?!

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1241540]Manusky’s schemes were complex for the players, but the on-field result was little blitzing or stunting. There was little pressure on the QB and the results were predictably dismal. The Redskins were 27th in defense in 2019.

Jack Del Rio will take Manusky’s dumpster fire and turn this defense around. He’s taken several team’s defenses from near the bottom to very close to the top! We have some talented personnel that just need to be coached, motivated and instructed to reach their potential. I bet a guy like Sweat will double his sacks next year.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I didn't like Manusky's defenses either, but the sack rate ranked 4th in 2019.

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl/2019[/url]

That's not no pressure on the QB.

I think it's more accurate to say the pressure was inconsistent, especially against good qbs who could beat a blitz.

I can't find the numbers right off, those with a pff sub probably could, but I believe we blitzed alot. I also believe those blitz's weren't good against good QBs.

I also don't believe the blitzes were coached well and timed well. Good teams picked them up.

I also agree Del Rio is going to be a huge improvement. The two just have very different styles.
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[quote=SkinzWin;1241564]Yeah I really don’t get the multiple people calling for him to get cut. Don’t we want as many good edge rushers as possible?![/quote]

Yes, we do! To be clear, I meant that we should draft Chase Young [U]and[/U] keep Ryan Kerrigan.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1241573]Yes, we do! To be clear, I meant that we should draft Chase Young [U]and[/U] keep Ryan Kerrigan.[/quote]

I can see the perspective where he has some(?) trade value, a large salary next year (>$10M), would presumably want a new contract for 4 more years, is getting older and if you are going to draft Chase Young then we have waaaay too many resources invested in the front 4, 5 first rounders + Matt I. We desperately need a free safety worthy of the position, a new corner on the assumption that Norman is cut, and that doesn't even consider what we need on offence.... A pass rush is good, but you have to be able to score points too

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1241575]I can see the perspective where he has some(?) trade value, a large salary next year (>$10M), would presumably want a new contract for 4 more years, is getting older and if you are going to draft Chase Young then we have waaaay too many resources invested in the front 4, 5 first rounders + Matt I. We desperately need a free safety worthy of the position, a new corner on the assumption that Norman is cut, and that doesn't even consider what we need on offence.... A pass rush is good, but you have to be able to score points too[/quote]

One thing I wrote was incorrect. Although Ryan said repeatedly that he wants to stay in D.C., he did no say he would try to work something out contractually with the Redskins.

I think you're right about too many $$ invested in the DL if we draft Chase Young. Even if we don't draft Young, Kerrigan's $11.5M salary may be too big a hit to take for the Skins. I'd like to see RK stay but I believe he will need to agree to a restructuring of his contract to do so. If the Skins can get a mid-round pick for him in a trade, then he may be traded anyway.

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If there isn't a huge market for Kerrigan, and I really don't know if there is (although I guess not), then he could be a poor man's Dwight Freeny.

In other words, he could play much fewer, high quality snaps at a bargain price.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1241579]If there isn't a huge market for Kerrigan, and I really don't know if there is (although I guess not), then he could be a poor man's Dwight Freeny.

In other words, he could play much fewer, high quality snaps at a [B]bargain price[/B].



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That would be fine, but what are the chances

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1241580]That would be fine, but what are the chances[/quote]

Better than you might think because his current contract is not guaranteed.

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Love the hire! Del Rio spits fire and is a great d-coordinator. Already love Rivera lol!