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[url]https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/11/03/nbcwsj-poll-49-percent-now-back-trumps-impeachment-and-removal/23852655/[/url]


WASHINGTON — Exactly one year out from the 2020 general election, a majority of all Americans — or close to it — support impeaching President Donald Trump and removing him from office, disapprove of his job performance and back his top Democratic rivals in head-to-head matchups.

Those are the findings from the latest national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, which was conducted amid the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry against the president, after Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria, and after the military raid that killed the leader of ISIS.

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You went to AOL.Com? It shocks me those pieces of trash are still alive. My opinion of them dates to them trying to corner the dial-up market back in the day with very unscrupulous business practices. I lost track of how many hours I spent extracting their crap out of the computers of friends and family when they tried to change ISP's.

As for Trump I think it is too late, the damage to the Republican party is done. Even if he is impeached and kicked out of office I think it is too late for a Republican challenger for 2020 to get any traction. As someone who always votes and rarely votes for a democrat I am actually pulling for Biden to hold off the socialists on his tail.

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Nice throwback G1, there are still people out there using AOL free trial internet discs to connect to the world wide web.

Welcome to the dark side Bob, but let's be realistic. There isn't anything Trump could do aside from switching allegiances that would make him lose the support of conservatives. As long as his team and Fox News stays in alignment he's gonna go down swinging.

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He will win in 2020, watch

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236369]You went to AOL.Com?[/quote]


LOL!


G1, are you still running the app on windows 98?

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[quote=mredskins;1236395]He will win in 2020, watch[/quote]
Yep! There are a lot of people in this country that hate the same people he hates.

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Great, another election full of hate. Can't wait.

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A big part of Trump winning was who he was running against. I knew quite a few Democrats who strongly disliked Hillary Clinton and either stayed home or voted for 3rd party. I think Bernie would have beaten Trump if he had won the nomination.

I vote Republican 99% of the time and with Trump getting the nomination I was ripe for flipping, but you could not get me to vote for Hillary with a gun to my head. I think it would be real interesting to see what she says and does when the cameras aren't running. For the record I wrote in Will Seemore.

Unless Trump is impeached or Biden is running against him Will Seemore will probably get my 2020 vote.

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I wish he would run again !!!

[url]https://www.johnkasich.com/[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1236456]I wish he would run again !!!

[url]https://www.johnkasich.com/[/url][/quote]

I’ve always like kasich, but he needs to be stronger in his positions.

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I always liked Romney, voted for him against McCain in the primary of 2008 and against Obama in 2016. I do not understand why his favorability is so low these days. Probably because he is disliked by Democrats and Trump supporters.

To me almost every Democrat is spewing the same garbage, other than Biden they can't get out a handful of sentences without playing the race card or talking about gun control.

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[quote=jamf;1236404]Yep! There are a lot of people in this country that hate the same people he hates.[/quote]

Yup, socialists.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236447]A big part of Trump winning was who he was running against. I knew quite a few Democrats who strongly disliked Hillary Clinton and either stayed home or voted for 3rd party. I think Bernie would have beaten Trump if he had won the nomination.

I vote Republican 99% of the time and with Trump getting the nomination I was ripe for flipping, but you could not get me to vote for Hillary with a gun to my head. I think it would be real interesting to see what she says and does when the cameras aren't running. For the record I wrote in Will Seemore.

Unless Trump is impeached or Biden is running against him Will Seemore will probably get my 2020 vote.[/quote]

What's amazing is we are still talking about Hillary 3 years after she left the conversation. I get it Bob, a lot of people voted Trump because they didn't trust Hillary.

But she's gone, and as of now there's no clear cut winner for the Dems to prop up. Biden will probably get it but he really hasn't unified the left the way Obama did.

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[quote=mooby;1236480]What's amazing is we are still talking about Hillary 3 years after she left the conversation. I get it Bob, a lot of people voted Trump because they didn't trust Hillary.

But she's gone, and as of now there's no clear cut winner for the Dems to prop up. Biden will probably get it but he really hasn't unified the left the way Obama did.[/quote]

Republicans have been obsessed with trashing her for decades now.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236463]
To me almost every Democrat is spewing the same garbage, other than Biden they can't get out a handful of sentences without playing the race card or talking about gun control.[/quote]


It must be nice to not have to deal with racism. You could say it's a "privilege".

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[quote=MTK;1236482]Republicans have been obsessed with trashing her for decades now.[/quote]
40 years from now they will be chanting "Dig her up, Dig her up!".

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[quote=jamf;1236487]40 years from now they will be chanting "Dig her up, Dig her up!".[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=jamf;1236485]It must be nice to not have to deal with racism. You could say it's a "privilege".[/quote]

I have a problem with people acting like it is 1965, it isn't. Also people blaming race all the time when it has nothing to do with the situation. Decades ago I worked at a large company that had about as diverse group of management as you could image and most worked their way up from the bottom. In spite of this you would often have employees complain they were being discriminated against for raises and promotion because the bosses didn't like people of their race or gender. The problem was they were not that good at their job, plain and simple.

I am not saying racism doesn't exist, it always will. It isn't running rampant like the liberal media portrays it. We are a country of over 300 million people yet if one deranged moron paints a swastika on someone's house it makes the national news.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236520]I have a problem with people acting like it is 1965, it isn't. Also people blaming race all the time when it has nothing to do with the situation. Decades ago I worked at a large company that had about as diverse group of management as you could image and most worked their way up from the bottom. In spite of this you would often have employees complain they were being discriminated against for raises and promotion because the bosses didn't like people of their race or gender. The problem was they were not that good at their job, plain and simple.

I am not saying racism doesn't exist, it always will. It isn't running rampant like the liberal media portrays it. We are a country of over 300 million people [B]yet if one deranged moron paints a swastika on someone's house it makes the national news[/B].[/quote]

as well it should, the brightest light needs to be shown on that type of garbage

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[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/17/impeachment-ambassador-gordon-sondland-testify-trump-ukraine-policy/4001258002/[/url]


WASHINGTON – Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told the House impeachment panel investigating President Donald Trump on Thursday that he was disappointed that he had to consult with the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine policy.

Sondland told the committees – Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight and Reform – that withholding military aid for a political investigation would be wrong.

"Let me state clearly: Inviting a foreign government to undertake investigations for the purpose of influencing an upcoming U.S. election would be wrong," Sondland said. "Withholding foreign aid in order to pressure a foreign government to take such steps would be wrong. I did not and would not ever participate in such undertakings."

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236520]I have a problem with people acting like it is 1965, it isn't. Also people blaming race all the time when it has nothing to do with the situation. Decades ago I worked at a large company that had about as diverse group of management as you could image and most worked their way up from the bottom. In spite of this you would often have employees complain they were being discriminated against for raises and promotion because the bosses didn't like people of their race or gender. The problem was they were not that good at their job, plain and simple.

I am not saying racism doesn't exist, it always will. It isn't running rampant like the liberal media portrays it. We are a country of over 300 million people yet if one deranged moron paints a swastika on someone's house it makes the national news.[/quote]


[quote=MTK;1236523]as well it should, the brightest light needs to be shown on that type of garbage[/quote]

You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7. How would liberals feel if the media was overwhelmingly right wing and they "shined a bright light" on every violent crime committed by lets say, Asian gay men. You know with a population of 300 million plus there is an Asian gay man that beat up his boyfriend or did something violent on a daily basis. Now you have this narrative that Asian gay men are very dangerous, brought to you by your local media.

I am pushing 60, worked at some large companies plus traveled around half the US states and interacted with quite a few people. I can recall two incidences of obvious racism I witnessed in all that time. If you believed the liberal media you would think I should have seen 100,000 of them.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236525]You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7. How would liberals feel if the media was overwhelmingly right wing and they "shined a bright light" on every violent crime committed by lets say, Asian gay men. You know with a population of 300 million plus there is an Asian gay man that beat up his boyfriend or did something violent on a daily basis. Now you have this narrative that Asian gay men are very dangerous, brought to you by your local media.

I am pushing 60, worked at some large companies plus traveled around half the US states and interacted with quite a few people. I can recall two incidences of obvious racism I witnessed in all that time. If you believed the liberal media you would think I should have seen 100,000 of them.[/quote]

I don't mean to be flip but are you sure you were looking ? What I mean is maybe you saw things that you don't think were racial but were yet maybe not flagrant in your eyes? Maybe the way a person was treating the Hispanic grass cutting guys or people going to a certain cashier at a grocery store maybe it's a racial thing and you just didn't know it?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236525]You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7.[/quote]



.....................it is. trump is leading the way.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1236525]You can't be serious. That gives the false perception that racism is running rampant and effecting a huge amount of our population 24-7. How would liberals feel if the media was overwhelmingly right wing and they "shined a bright light" on every violent crime committed by lets say, Asian gay men. You know with a population of 300 million plus there is an Asian gay man that beat up his boyfriend or did something violent on a daily basis. Now you have this narrative that Asian gay men are very dangerous, brought to you by your local media.



I am pushing 60, worked at some large companies plus traveled around half the US states and interacted with quite a few people. I can recall two incidences of obvious racism I witnessed in all that time. If you believed the liberal media you would think I should have seen 100,000 of them.[/QUOTE]


You’re right, not reporting it will make it go away



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[quote=Giantone;1236524][url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/17/impeachment-ambassador-gordon-sondland-testify-trump-ukraine-policy/4001258002/[/url]


WASHINGTON – Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told the House impeachment panel investigating President Donald Trump on Thursday that he was disappointed that he had to consult with the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine policy.

Sondland told the committees – Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight and Reform – that withholding military aid for a political investigation would be wrong.

[B]"Let me state clearly: Inviting a foreign government to undertake investigations for the purpose of influencing an upcoming U.S. election would be wrong," Sondland said. "Withholding foreign aid in order to pressure a foreign government to take such steps would be wrong. I did not and would not ever participate in such undertakings[/B]."[/quote]

I agree here...it needs to be defined better: US Tax payers

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[quote=Giantone;1236527]I don't mean to be flip but are you sure you were looking ? What I mean is maybe you saw things that you don't think were racial but were yet maybe not flagrant in your eyes? Maybe the way a person was treating the Hispanic grass cutting guys or people going to a certain cashier at a grocery store maybe it's a racial thing and you just didn't know it?[/quote]

Perception is everything, I agree. That goes both ways. Maybe that cashier just wasn't friendly to strangers or having a bad day. If you give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise when it comes to the topic of racism, situations are going to go a lot smoother. No reason to assume someone of a different color is being racist just because they are not treating someone who is different with the utmost respect.

Sure I will draw the wrath of liberals but I see people who are racist in name only a threat to no one. I have known quite a few guys over the years say racists things when in the company of a group a white people who I never caught acting on them. My step-dad was one of those, I think they modeled the character of Red Foreman of That 70's show after him with a little Archie Bunker thrown in. Never saw him outwardly treat anyone different because of race, creed or color.

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[quote=MTK;1236530]You’re right, not reporting it will make it go away



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I suppose you are also fine with people like Jesse Smollet who make up claims of racism that didn't happen.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236533]I suppose you are also fine with people like Jesse Smollet who make up claims of racism that didn't happen.[/quote]

No, not at all. It was good that he was exposed, right?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236533]I suppose you are also fine with people like Jesse Smollet who make up claims of racism that didn't happen.[/quote]

You should know by now I'm about as liberal as it gets and I couldn't be happier that Smollett was exposed for making that shit up. We don't need to lie about intolerance when plenty is already happening all around us. Anybody that feels the need to lie to stir the pot should be called out on it.

You think because most white people keep it subtly hidden below the surface it doesn't exist?

I've worked for the county for 3 1/2 years now and I've seen plenty of subtle racism. Techs (conservative white of course) complaining that these minorities driving buses/vehicles don't know how to drive or pre-trip worth a shit. Race has nothing to do with it, shitty drivers exist in all skin colors. Yet somehow these techs only want to complain about the minority drivers. And they only feel comfortable talking about them when none of my minority coworkers are around.

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[quote=mooby;1236537]You should know by now I'm about as liberal as it gets and I couldn't be happier that Smollett was exposed for making that shit up. We don't need to lie about intolerance when plenty is already happening all around us. Anybody that feels the need to lie to stir the pot should be called out on it.

You think because most white people keep it subtly hidden below the surface it doesn't exist?

[B]I've worked for the county for 3 1/2 years now and I've seen plenty of subtle racism. Techs (conservative white of course) complaining that these minorities driving buses/vehicles don't know how to drive or pre-trip worth a shit. Race has nothing to do with it, shitty drivers exist in all skin colors. Yet somehow these techs only want to complain about the minority drivers. And they only feel comfortable talking about them when none of my minority coworkers are around.[/B][/quote]

My point was when speaking of the subtle racist or whatever you would like to call them, as long as they hide it they are not hurting any thing except their own reputation. I didn't claim they don't exist.

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[quote=mooby;1236537]You should know by now I'm about as liberal as it gets and I couldn't be happier that Smollett was exposed for making that shit up. We don't need to lie about intolerance when plenty is already happening all around us. Anybody that feels the need to lie to stir the pot should be called out on it.

You think because most white people keep it subtly hidden below the surface it doesn't exist?

I've worked for the county for 3 1/2 years now and I've seen plenty of subtle racism. Techs (conservative white of course) complaining that these minorities driving buses/vehicles don't know how to drive or pre-trip worth a shit. Race has nothing to do with it, shitty drivers exist in all skin colors. Yet somehow these techs only want to complain about the minority drivers. And they only feel comfortable talking about them when none of my minority coworkers are around.[/quote]

Conservatives white of course. Really? I bet all of them because you know their political beliefs. And they use “these minorities? “ not adding up. And I’m sure if they were white drivers they wouldn’t be complaining? Like these guys drive so good we never have to service the buses/vehicles. Everyone would be so happy at there service job, no complaining. Sigh.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236539]Conservatives white of course. Really? I bet all of them because you know their political beliefs. And they use “these minorities? “ not adding up. And I’m sure if they were white drivers they wouldn’t be complaining? Like these guys drive so good we never have to service the buses/vehicles. Everyone would be so happy at there service job, no complaining. Sigh.[/quote]

We have 1800 school buses in my fleet, and the majority of drivers are minorities. The majority of my coworkers (techs and parts countermen) are also white and heavily conservative. Even my own boss, a guy who doesn't follow the news but won't discuss politics, blindly supports Trump. I don't need to make this shit up, I live it every day. Even my own dad (white, conservative) thinks minorities are bad drivers because of where they come from.

It's pathetic that you think there isn't a link that can't be drawn from white conservatives disliking minorities because their way of life in whatever 3rd world country they came from was different than it is here.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236538]My point was when speaking of the subtle racist or whatever you would like to call them, as long as they hide it they are not hurting any thing except their own reputation. I didn't claim they don't exist.[/quote]

Bob the problem is these racists who are careful to hide their ignorance have only been emboldened since Trump took office. They see the language he uses and feel like they can get away with being louder about it in public now. And I don't want to get into the Trump/racist argument again but literally, off the top of my head, I can recall Trump talking about shithole countries, the Muslim ban (because all Muslims are bad, not just a small percentage of them), Mexicans only sending their worst (rapists and criminals), and I'm sure I could dig up more if need be. He panders to the racist vote because there's no vote he's not willing to beg for. And that is just as bad as being racist.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236538]My point was when speaking of the subtle racist or whatever you would like to call them, as long as they hide it they are not hurting any thing except their own reputation. I didn't claim they don't exist.[/quote]

You did claim you don't see it and while you might not think it's racism but it is.Hiding /refusing to acknowledge it doesn't help resolve the problem.Make no mistake racism is taught and a learned behavior.

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomat-had-clear-understanding-of-ukraine-quid-pro-quo/ar-AAJX8hp?[/url]

Bill Taylor says he had a clear understanding that it was a quid pro quo arrangement with the Ukraine.

I swear if it had been Obama doing this shit the right would be screaming bloody murder.

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[quote=mooby;1236540]We have 1800 school buses in my fleet, and the majority of drivers are minorities. The majority of my coworkers (techs and parts countermen) are also white and heavily conservative. Even my own boss, a guy who doesn't follow the news but won't discuss politics, blindly supports Trump. I don't need to make this shit up, I live it every day. Even my own dad (white, conservative) thinks minorities are bad drivers because of where they come from.

It's pathetic that you think there isn't a link that can't be drawn from white conservatives disliking minorities because their way of life in whatever 3rd world country they came from was different than it is here.[/quote]

There isn’t a link and too call every conservative a racist is a fucking lie. It’s weird, and hilarious I guess if I’ve told you the most racist people I’ve know in my life were liberals. But that can’t be huh?

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Are there any idiots left on this board that still defends Trump?

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[quote=Chico23231;1236545]There isn’t a link and too call every conservative a racist is a fucking lie. It’s weird, and hilarious I guess if I’ve told you the most racist people I’ve know in my life were liberals. But that can’t be huh?[/quote]

You're right. Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.



You really have to stop and think about your views and values when white nationalist and neo-nazi's align with your political party.

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[quote=mooby;1236543][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomat-had-clear-understanding-of-ukraine-quid-pro-quo/ar-AAJX8hp?[/url]

Bill Taylor says he had a clear understanding that it was a quid pro quo arrangement with the Ukraine.

I swear if it had been Obama doing this shit the right would be screaming bloody murder.[/quote]

You beat me to it.................


[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/top-diplomat-ukraine-directly-ties-trump-quid-pro-quo-n1077716[/url]


Top diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor directly ties Trump to quid pro quo
"That was my clear understanding, that security assistance money would not come until the president (of Ukraine) committed to pursue" investigations, Bill Taylor told Congress.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1236547]You're right.[B] Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.
[/B]


You really have to stop and think about your views and values when white nationalist and neo-nazi's align with your political party.[/quote]

Literally took the words out of my mouth. You nailed it NC.