Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[URL="https://riggosrag.com/2019/06/04/redskins-veteran-tackle-trent-williams-holding-mandatory-minicamp/"]Redskins veteran tackle Trent Williams holding out of mandatory minicamp[/URL]

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As far as I'm concern he can go. He's hardly ever healthy. He gets beat frequently. Trade that bum right now!

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This could not have come at a worst time IMO. I hope this doesn't result in us not being able to do Schreff's deal. Come on Schaffer, do your magic!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1224245]This could not have come at a worst time IMO. I hope this doesn't result in us not being able to do Schreff's deal. Come on Schaffer, do your magic![/quote]

I wouldn't give Trent Williams shit!

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[quote=httr198020;1224244] He gets beat frequently. Trade that bum right now![/quote]


WTF!


can't argue about him being injured or being a piss test away from missing a full season but he is not a bum. He is one of the best in the business.

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Gotta have Silverblunt and Schreff on the Oline...find a way and get it done.

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[quote=httr198020;1224244]As far as I'm concern he can go. He's hardly ever healthy. He gets beat frequently. Trade that bum right now![/quote]

I've read and posted some crazy shit before, but this is up there

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Dude has been an absolute monster for years for us, and now this shit?! Ugh. Goddamn, the roller-coaster ride of being a Skins fan. Straight up, why NOW?

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[quote=httr198020;1224244]As far as I'm concern he can go. He's hardly ever healthy. He gets beat frequently. Trade that bum right now![/quote]

U are kidding right?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1224251]I've read and posted some crazy shit before, but this is up there[/quote]

Maybe the worst we have seen, does he know TW has given up the least amount of sacks over the span he was drafted?? Probably not.

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You know what they say, the best ability is availability. I'm not sure that statement completely applies when you're talking about a player of his caliber, and what he brings to the field when he is available, but he's missed something like 13 or 14 games in the last 3 years. Couple that with the fact that hes 31, I do think they have to be careful about how much they pay him, if they do give him a new contract. It does suck though, because where does that leave us if they can't get it done, with Erick Flowers? He has some leverage here, just hope it doesn't put the team in a bind... I suppose it could cause them to rethink the idea of releasing Norman...

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I personally don't mind if the team pays Trent, I just wish this was happening next year. Perhaps his health scare has changed something in him, which is understandable. It is just that I'm sure the team wasn't counting on this and now they have to pay him and Schreff.

For people who are on the "pay him" camp, are you willing to lose Schreff in order to pay TW?

Perhaps it may be possible to pay them both, but we don't know how much money Schreff is demanding. Or perhaps they can pay both but leave nothing left for an emergency signing.

I'm sure the triumvirate of idiocy (Paulsen, Russell, and Sheehan) are going to have a field day bitching the team about this. I just think it sucks and it is almost bad luck that this is happening to them.

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No way I’m paying TW over keeping schreff...younger and hasn’t hit prime. TW has 2 years left...i don’t see him missing game checks, maybe offer to see where he is after this year when we have more cap flexibility.

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[quote=jamf;1224249]WTF!


can't argue about him being injured or being a piss test away from missing a full season but he is not a bum. He is one of the best in the business.[/quote]

Let me make something crystal clear for you and the rest of people here. I'm not about to get up in arms about some overrated, overpaid loser like Trent Williams. You can kiss his ass all you want. I'm not going to do it. I've seen this bum jump off sides, get holding calls calls in critical times, get abused mediocre pass rushers, and he's always injured. If he doesn't want to be here then we should let him go. It's bad enough he's nowhere near as good as he gets credit for. But for him to wait till the day of mandatory mini camp show me that he doesn't care about this team or the fans. I say trade this bum right now and lets go full rebuild mode.

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If they can make the numbers work I'm all for paying him. He's a top LT. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron. But if there's a legit trade offer you'd have to consider it.

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I would put out trade offers and see what we can get for him. We need to start doing business like the Patriots. He has two years left on his deal, he's 30 and never healthy. I'm fine w/moving on from him a year early over a year too late. It sucks but it's business.

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[quote=MTK;1224262]If they can make the numbers work I'm all for paying him. He's a top LT. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron. But if there's a legit trade offer you'd have to consider it.[/quote]

Fuck him! I wouldn't pay him shit and it's mainly because how he went about this whole thing. Why didn't he start talking about his contract at the end of last season? Why didn't he bring it up a month ago? What about a week ago? He's not a top LT. Don't insult my intelligence because I'm calling it how it is. This dude is no longer and elite talent. I say trade him away. Anyone thinks this dude is anything but average is blind.

[quote=skinsfan69;1224264]I would put out trade offers and see what we can get for him. We need to start doing business like the Patriots. He has two years left on his deal, he's 30 and never healthy. I'm fine w/moving on from him a year early over a year too late. It sucks but it's business.[/quote]

I couldn't agree with you more. We need to get rid of this bum right now!

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[quote=httr198020;1224265]Fuck him! I wouldn't pay him shit and it's mainly because how he went about this whole thing. Why didn't he start talking about his contract at the end of last season? Why didn't he bring it up a month ago? What about a week ago? He's not a top LT. Don't insult my intelligence because I'm calling it how it is. This dude is no longer and elite talent. I say trade him away. Anyone thinks this dude is anything but average is blind.



I couldn't agree with you more. We need to get rid of this bum right now![/quote]

Please stop

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224266]Please stop[/quote]

Stop telling the truth? I'm sorry, but I can't do that. Let me ask a few questions. What does TW do so great? Do we run the ball better when he's out there? No! Do we pass protect better when he's in there? Hell no! I say let him go RIGHT NOW!

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[quote=httr198020;1224267]Stop telling the truth? I'm sorry, but I can't do that. Let me ask a few questions. What does TW do so great? Do we run the ball better when he's out there? No! Do we pass protect better when he's in there? Hell no! I say let him go RIGHT NOW![/quote]

Both of those are false lol Stop trolling man

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The offseason is always the season of holdouts somewhere. Why do players holdout in June? Because they are not getting paid in June. Once paychecks/game checks are missed, you would be surprised how quickly that holdout ends.

His holdout means nothing but a trend on Twitter and he won't get injured in OTAs. Thats it. Means nothing, nadda, zip.

Only take his holdout seriously if he is still holding out week 1 of the regular season.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1224269]The offseason is always the season of holdouts somewhere. Why do players holdout in June? Because they are not getting paid in June. Once paychecks/game checks are missed, you would be surprised how quickly that holdout ends.

His holdout means nothing but a trend on Twitter and he won't get injured in OTAs. Thats it. Means nothing, nadda, zip.

Only take his holdout seriously if he is still holding out week 1 of the regular season.[/quote]

Agree with this

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[quote=httr198020;1224267]Stop telling the truth? I'm sorry, but I can't do that. Let me ask a few questions. What does TW do so great? Do we run the ball better when he's out there? No! Do we pass protect better when he's in there? Hell no! I say let him go RIGHT NOW![/quote]

Trent is still a damn good player. You simply can not deny that.

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Trent looked at Flowers as backup and saw $$$$$

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I wouldn't give him anything extravagant. I don't think we should tie ourselves to 4 guaranteed years. He hasn't played a full season since 2013. Even though he's still playing elite football, he's either at peak point or slightly past it. He's still hitting us up for 14mil on the cap the next two years.


We need to lock up Scherff before we extend Williams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1224264]I would put out trade offers and see what we can get for him. We need to start doing business like the Patriots. He has two years left on his deal, he's 30 and never healthy. I'm fine w/moving on from him a year early over a year too late. It sucks but it's business.[/quote]

You aren't going to get back to you what he's worth to your team currently. Nobody is giving up much for an oft injured LT, who's 30 years of age. You'd be lucky as hell to get a 3rd rounder for him at this point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1224273]Trent is still a damn good player. You simply can not deny that.[/quote]

Well, you can actually. You'd be wrong, but you can deny it. :laughing-

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Did Trent decide to do this at a bad timing? Yes, we are already close to our cap limit (largely thanks to QB situation). However we must acknowledge this is not players' issue, that is entirely on FO alone. FO, owners, and fans always say it's business whenever they decide to cut or trade players, and it is personal when players try to turn the table around. It's comical how fans always complain when they think players are being greedy and don't complain when owners are being greedy. The less money players get, the more money owners have in their pocket. If I spend money on NFL games, I would very much prefer for majority of my money go to players, not Dan Snyder and NFL.

Does Trent deserve a raise? Absolutely, he has shown that he is one of best tackles in NFL (and history) on consistent basis. There is no argument against this regardless of what few of you guys are claiming against Trent. Sure, there is injury factor but we can easily work around this by offering a raise based on incentives (For example, Trent must play 80% of season to earn $2m more). Redskins can protect themselves with this incentive contract - if Trent gets injured again and cannot play for a while, then Redskins can use the money that is allocated to Trent's incentive contract to sign a free agent tackle to replace Trent if necessary.

For those people who are saying that we should trade Trent - who will you replace Trent with? At this point, there is no available tackle that is even remotely close to Trent's level.

Imagine this, you have been working for your employer for 10 years making 50k a year. You have consistenly put in full efforts to complete your assignments with high standards, and your employer absolutely loves you and is dependent on you providing high quality work at all times. Then you see your employer (or your employer's competitors) hire people for same position you work - those people might have less experience than you do, and some people complete same assignments with subpar standards and yet they are making 70k a year. Will you continue to keep your head down and work until you retire, or will you make efforts to get a pay raise or find a different job?

The bottom line is, (1) Trent just made a decision that will benefit himself and his family and at same time, it puts Redskins in a difficult position. (2) Redskins need to extend Scherff's contract and Redskins should not sacrifice Scherff, just to make Trent happy. (3) If I'm the FO, I will try to find a way to achieve both - without knowing full details of Redskins' salary position and etc, I would try to convert Alex Smith's money into signing bonus (or whatever strategy that will help reduce Smith's money in cap) and then rewrite Trent's current contract by adding incentives that will allow Trent earn more money without extending his contract. In other words, he will get a pay raise for remaining of his contract. By end of the contract, he will be about 32 years old and we should have a better feeling of whether he can continue to play well at that time.

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[quote=httr198020;1224265]Fuck him! I wouldn't pay him shit and it's mainly because how he went about this whole thing. Why didn't he start talking about his contract at the end of last season? Why didn't he bring it up a month ago? What about a week ago? He's not a top LT. Don't insult my intelligence because I'm calling it how it is. This dude is no longer and elite talent. I say trade him away. Anyone thinks this dude is anything but average is blind.[/quote]

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Bad timing would have been holding out in training camp. It's the first veteran OT, totally appropriate time to start the process.

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Don't trade him ... but don't pay him either.

He has two years left on his contract. Make him honor it. At least one year of it.

Scherff is more of a priority right now.

Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Trent may miss a few games a season, but he also plays when he’s not even close to healthy (moreso than playing with the normal dings that come with pro football). A 70 percent Trent is still better than most left tackles. Dude doesn’t give up sacks and he’s running down field and pancaking defenders on runs. Plus he can swing inside in a pinch. Trent is the best player we have on the team. Linemen can often perform at high levels longer than other position players. He’s timed the demand perfectly in his favor.


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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1224284]Don't trade him ... but don't pay him either.

He has two years left on his contract. Make him honor it. At least one year of it.

Scherff is more of a priority right now.[/quote]

This is exactly how I’m feeling.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224274]Trent looked at Flowers as backup and saw $$$$$

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Not only that but Ty is gone and knows there's literally nothing behind him. Christian didn't show much last year and we're going to be playing a rookie QB. Trent holds all the cards if you ask me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1224277]You aren't going to get back to you what he's worth to your team currently. Nobody is giving up much for an oft injured LT, who's 30 years of age. You'd be lucky as hell to get a 3rd rounder for him at this point.[/quote]

True.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1224264]I would put out trade offers and see what we can get for him. We need to start doing business like the Patriots. He has two years left on his deal, he's 30 and never healthy. I'm fine w/moving on from him a year early over a year too late. It sucks but it's business.[/QUOTE]Agree 100.

Love him but the league is a business.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1224255]You know what they say, the best ability is availability. I'm not sure that statement completely applies when you're talking about a player of his caliber, and what he brings to the field when he is available, but he's missed something like 13 or 14 games in the last 3 years. Couple that with the fact that hes 31, I do think they have to be careful about how much they pay him, if they do give him a new contract. It does suck though, because [B]where does that leave us if they can't get it done, with Erick Flowers?[/B] He has some leverage here, just hope it doesn't put the team in a bind... I suppose it could cause them to rethink the idea of releasing Norman...[/quote]

This is the best argument I've ever seen in favor of paying Trent lol.

Aside from that, he's a team leader, he's always worked hard, and played through injury, and is amongst the best at his position. It's easy to see pay the man, but I'd give him a new contract with an out clause after 3 or so years because we know we're not getting 16 games a year out of him anymore.

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There is only one analysis that matters when deciding to pay him top money.

How many games do we win this year with him, without him?

(If you respond, please give the number of games you think he plays as well.)

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[quote=MTK;1224262]If they can make the numbers work I'm all for paying him. He's a top LT. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron. But if there's a legit trade offer you'd have to consider it.[/quote]

What would you consider a legit offer? I would hate to see him go, but like you said the numbers have to be right, or the offer has to be right.

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It's a smart time for him to do this with the investment the team just made that they expect him to protect for another 3-4 years....