In all the various mock drafts, is there one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

There are seemingly a bazillion ways the Skins could go with their first pick, given how many holes we have to shore up, and the seeming depth in this draft at some of those positions we have dire needs for.

But I wonder ... is there one player you would absolutely HATE to see the Skins burn their first round pick on?


For me ... that player is [B]Daniel Jones[/B].

This might be unfair. Because he's probably a nice kid, who has done some nice things. But drafting this kid in the first round means you think he's capable of being your franchise QB. For me .... he's a career back up.

I'd much rather the Skins shore up some other areas of weakness. Draft a difference maker at that spot, and grab a QB a couple rounds later.

OR ... if they're dead set on Daniel Jones, try and move back in the draft, pick up another pick, and draft Jones a little later. That'd make me feel a little better. A little.



I've grown to love the idea of that TE Hockenson kid from Iowa. I doubt he lasts to 15 though.



Who do you NOT want the Skins to draft at 15, that has popped up in a mock drafts?

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DK Metcalf

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Hate would be too strong, but any QB that isn't Drew Lock.

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I know I am probably completely wrong on this, but Daniel Jones sounds to me like another Kirk Cousins with "meh" leadership.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1221637]DK Metcalf[/QUOTE]

Agreed, without his gaudy combine, Metcalf would be a 2nd rounder.

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I'd say Metcalf as well

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Charlie Casserly's top QB (other than Murray who he says he keeps off to the side) is Daniel Jones. What do you know about him that Casserly doesn't?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221644]Charlie Casserly's top QB (other than Murray who he says he keeps off to the side) is Daniel Jones. What do you know about him that Casserly doesn't?[/quote]

U asking me? If so I think Jones is a solid QB comparable to an Alex Smith. Smart kid that doesn't take many big chances , can move well for his size. Lacks arm strength for deeper routes. He's been coached up by a great College QB coach / system but some are not high on him due to his underwhelming tape.

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I know when I watched Lawrence, Fromm, Haskins, Murray and Tau in games, their arm talent is noticeable. Wil Grier as well.

Ive watched Jones several times and he looks like JAG.

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[quote=Chico23231;1221646]I know when I watched Lawrence, Fromm, Haskins, Murray and Tau in games, their arm talent is noticeable. Wil Grier as well.

Ive watched Jones several times and he looks like JAG.[/quote]

The Giants really like Jones , from what all the analyst are saying. Maybe he goes there at 17?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221645]U asking me? If so I think Jones is a solid QB comparable to an Alex Smith. Smart kid that doesn't take many big chances , can move well for his size. Lacks arm strength for deeper routes. He's been coached up by a great College QB coach / system but some are not high on him due to his underwhelming tape.[/quote]

Sorry, i didn't quote - I was actually asking the guy who created the thread since Jones was his player. Casserly thinks Jones is the most pro-ready QB in this years draft, so he would be the QB most likely to cause an immediate positive impact to the team, so i was surprised he was the OP's choice.

Personally, QB is just about the last position I want us to draft at 15, but if we did draft one, Jones would be my choice above Haskins and Lock.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221649]Sorry, i didn't quote - I was actually asking the guy who created the thread since Jones was his player. Casserly thinks Jones is the most pro-ready QB in this years draft, so he would be the QB most likely to cause an immediate positive impact to the team, so i was surprised he was the OP's choice.

Personally, QB is just about the last position I want us to draft at 15, but if we did draft one, Jones would be my choice above Haskins and Lock.[/quote]

I think they will take one of the 3 for sure come Thurs.

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Maybe this threads title should be changed to Daniel Jones alot of Draft smoke or talented?
The reason I say this because he is blowing up in the national media today and in the last few days.
1) Gil Brandt comparing him to Peyton Manning
2) Mel Kiper talking him up saying he is ready to start in the NFL
3) Dan Orlovsky liking him
4) Coached by David Cutcliffe who coached both Manning brothers.

I am not sure I like him at 15 but there is a ton of talk out of NY that the Giants will use their #17 and take him if he is there. Smoke or reality?

I will say he played on a Duke team with shitty WR's that posed no deep threats and a terrible offensive line. He was forced to get rid of the ball early. Plus he came back in 3 weeks after breaking his collar bone and started the whole season. The guy is tough.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221644]Charlie Casserly's top QB (other than Murray who he says he keeps off to the side) is Daniel Jones. What do you know about him that Casserly doesn't?[/quote]


I know nothing more than Casserly, and probably a lot less. But as a Louisville Cardinal fan, that closely watched the ACC, I think the game results for Daniel Jones leave a lot to be desired.

Against teams with NFL talent ...

2018 ...

at Clemson -- 24 of 43, 158 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INTs (Duke loss)
at Miami -- 17 of 35, 130 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (a win for Duke btw)

The rest of that schedule ... he's pedestrian at best against "ok" defenses.

2017 ....

at Virginia Tech -- 10 of 24, 82 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (Duke loss)
vs Florida State -- 22 of 35, 204 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs (FSU kinda sucked that year too) (Duke loss)
vs Miami -- 21 of 41, 166 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (Duke loss)
vs Baylor -- 20 of 35, 184 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (a win for Duke)

The rest of that schedule is again, pedestrian.


I mean, he's a big kid. Probably a great kid. But is THIS the resume of a first round pick????

He feels like a HUGE reach to me.

Underwhelming.


We have so many needs, that can be better filled at this spot, than drafting Daniel Jones as our QB. In my opinion.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

Watched one Duke game against Clemson. Now granted Clemson has better athletes across the board. Came away really feeling like Jones could be our guy if he's there at 15. It wasn't so much about the stats, it was the way he ran and handled the pressure of playing against the best team w/ a great d-line. He just looked like an NFL QB.

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[quote=Defensewins;1221654]Maybe this threads title should be changed to Daniel Jones alot of Draft smoke or talented?
The reason I say this because he is blowing up in the national media today and in the last few days.
1) Gil Brandt comparing him to Peyton Manning
2) Mel Kiper talking him up saying he is ready to start in the NFL
3) Dan Orlovsky liking him
4) Coached by David Cutcliffe who coached both Manning brothers.

I am not sure I like him at 15 but there is a ton of talk out of NY that the Giants will use their #17 and take him if he is there. Smoke or reality?

[B]I will say he played on a Duke team with shitty WR's that posed no deep threats and a terrible offensive line. He was forced to get rid of the ball early. Plus he came back in 3 weeks after breaking his collar bone and started the whole season. The guy is tough.[/quote][/B]

This.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1221645]U asking me? If so I think Jones is a solid QB comparable to an Alex Smith. Smart kid that doesn't take many big chances , can move well for his size. Lacks arm strength for deeper routes. He's been coached up by a great College QB coach / system but some are not high on him due to his underwhelming tape.[/quote]

Whether you're right or not about DJ, I really enjoyed reading your response. You made a clear, coherent case for your opinion of his potential. That's what I like about the debate on this site - knowledgeable posters with strong opinions and the ability to back them up.

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I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1221669]I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.[/quote]

I'm with you on this. In my opinion, I think DL and maybe tackle are only positions I wouldn't draft at #15. Although I'm not sure on tackle part, Trent is getting old and Moses regressed last year. If a highly-regarded tackle falls to us then I might be open to it. We will have a rookie QB (either this year or next year), we might as well as strengthen Oline to protect the rookie in long run.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1221668]Whether you're right or not about DJ, I really enjoyed reading your response. You made a clear, coherent case for your opinion of his potential. That's what I like about the debate on this site - knowledgeable posters with strong opinions and the ability to back them up.[/quote]

Thanks KI! There is no site like WP, everyone is knowledgeable on this page. I have been a member since High School (damn I'm old) and its made being a Redskins fan during a dark and sad time much easier.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1221669]I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.[/quote]

The skins are in such a position that really any player can be selected. The only positions we don't need right now are LT, RG ,RB , DL. So other than that BPA is fine with me as well.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221672]The skins are in such a position that really any player can be selected. The only positions we don't need right now are LT, RG ,RB , DL. So other than that BPA is fine with me as well.[/quote]

With the Skins recent injury history even those positions aren't safe for the whole upcoming season.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

whatever they do hopefully they don't take a wr.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1221680]whatever they do hopefully they don't take a wr.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of drafting a WR at 15 either.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

Any player that doesn't get Bruce Allen fired.

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This franchise needs a QB with a future.
Any player at #15 that isn't a QB is a bad pick.
I don't care if it's a reach, they need to draft the best QB available if they don't trade for one.

All these draft grades don't mean shit.

Look at what was said about Aaron Rodgers.
[URL="http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html"]http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html[/URL]

a solid midlevel QB is more valuable than a ProBowl WR. We need to go QB.

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[quote=GridIron26;1221670]I'm with you on this. In my opinion, I think DL and maybe tackle are only positions I wouldn't draft at #15. Although I'm not sure on tackle part, Trent is getting old and Moses regressed last year. If a highly-regarded tackle falls to us then I might be open to it. We will have a rookie QB (either this year or next year), we might as well as strengthen Oline to protect the rookie in long run.[/quote]

As you already know there are certain position like LT, Edge Rusher, CB and QB that hold so much value, that even if you are loaded at that position, you take it anyway. Reason being those positions hold huge trade value because most teams need them. You can later trade an extra strong LT or CB for a need position or two.
Back when we had a good FO we used to do that. I remember at one point we had Joe Jacoby and Ed Simmons and still got Jim Lachey. Now we just draft kind shitty.

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[quote=jamf;1221692]This franchise needs a QB with a future.
Any player at #15 that isn't a QB is a bad pick.
I don't care if it's a reach, they need to draft the best QB available if they don't trade for one.

All these draft grades don't mean shit.

Look at what was said about Aaron Rodgers.
[URL="http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html"]http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html[/URL]

a solid midlevel QB is more valuable than a ProBowl WR. We need to go QB.[/quote]

I'm with you 110%. I'm tired of this "Lets go sign a FA QB" Bullshit. This fanbase is STARVED for a Franchise QB.

Thought we had him in RG3, then Kirk... Now it's time to draft a guy, I dont care if he's not a "SEXY" Pick, we need a young QB to come lead this franchise. WR won't do you any good if he has no QB to get him the ball. Ask Santana Moss and Coles , etc.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221699]I'm with you 110%. I'm tired of this "Lets go sign a FA QB" Bullshit. This fanbase is STARVED for a Franchise QB.

Thought we had him in RG3, then Kirk... Now it's time to draft a guy, I dont care if he's not a "SEXY" Pick, we need a young QB to come lead this franchise. WR won't do you any good if he has no QB to get him the ball. Ask Santana Moss and Coles , etc.[/quote]



Do you think that there are ANY franchise QB's in this year's draft?

I am skeptical.

Time will tell of course.

Re: In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?
 

[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1221713]Do you think that there are ANY franchise QB's in this year's draft?

I am skeptical.

Time will tell of course.[/quote]

Tough to tell every yr, nobody thought Mahomes was that great. I think Haskins is the real deal, in the right situation. Have to give him time to throw and good playmakers. Lock looks like a Jay Cutler type, Murray is the wildcard. I really really like Grier

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Haskins. BUST City.

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[quote=Skins4L;1221715]Haskins. BUST City.[/quote]

Extremely smart kid, good character, accurate, huge arm. I like him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221714]Tough to tell every yr, [B]nobody thought Mahomes was that great[/B]. I think Haskins is the real deal, in the right situation. Have to give him time to throw and good playmakers. Lock looks like a Jay Cutler type, Murray is the wildcard. I really really like Grier[/quote]

Mahomes was drafted at 1.10. Evidently, somebody thought he was pretty good.

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[quote=Number44;1221719]Mahomes was drafted at 1.10. Evidently, somebody thought he was pretty good.[/quote]

KC did and that’s all it takes is 1 team

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1221718]Extremely smart kid, good character, accurate, huge arm. I like him[/QUOTE]That's exactly what all reports said about RG3.

There is so much more to the QB position than that.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1221721]That's exactly what all reports said about RG3.

There is so much more to the QB position than that.

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RG3 was made of glass, Haskins is huge. You don’t throw 50 tds by accident

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1221722]RG3 was made of glass, Haskins is huge. You don’t throw 50 tds by accident[/QUOTE]He better be. He can't move in the pocket and will probably take a beating of he doesn't dump it quickly.

Where are the reports that go along with the accuracy of him reading defenses and understanding concepts?

Cooley (unquestionably the knower of all things) said he operated in a super simple offense with few concepts and superior talent.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1221723]He better be. He can't move in the pocket and will probably take a beating of he doesn't dump it quickly.

Where are the reports that go along with the accuracy of him reading defenses and understanding concepts?

Cooley (unquestionably the knower of all things) said he operated in a super simple offense with few concepts and superior talent.



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There are 2 separate videos with him breaking down film and coverages, kid is smart. Look up the one he just did on espn.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1221724]There are 2 separate videos with him breaking down film and coverages, kid is smart. Look up the one he just did on espn.[/QUOTE]Is a link possible?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221714]Tough to tell every yr, nobody thought Mahomes was that great. I think Haskins is the real deal, in the right situation. Have to give him time to throw and good playmakers. Lock looks like a Jay Cutler type, Murray is the wildcard. I really really like Grier[/quote]



Agreed. On "tough to tell every year".

I think a 3rd round pick on Grier would be solid.

And next year's QB class looks tasty if Grier disappoints.

2 years away is when the Lawrence kid at Clemson matriculates. THAT guy has lock city written all over him. Of course, we'd need to be at rock bottom to land him. But that may happen, whether we like it or not.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1221726]Is a link possible?

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