Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

No, you're not imagining things. The Redskins have been a very injury plagued team for quite some time now

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[quote=MTK;1197827]No, you're not imagining things. The Redskins have been a very injury plagued team for quite some time now

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As I said in the Guice thread, Name me other teams that are always injured on a consistent basis like the skins? I'll wait

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1197829]As I said in the Guice thread, Name me other teams that are always injured on a consistent basis like the skins? I'll wait[/quote]

Giants and Colts according to this article : )

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I posted something from Pro Football Reference last year which had stats for team injury which was specific to contributing valuable players. Redskins scored the most injured last year with impact players...and was like 5th worse the year before.

I cant get into the article above...but this is a terrible run. Guice is a major fuckin loss....R Davis hurts for depth, Davis had the most impressive offensive play from the first preseason game when he beat Pats 1st team starting corner (Gilmore or the other one) on a 3rd down crossing pattern which lead to like a 20 yard gain. His speed was like whoa...

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Oh....I want to highlight something Jay Gruden said yesterday....he stated he and staff had been impressed by Byron Marshall and said he may get more 1st team reps at RB.

I want this shit to happen today. Im on the eff Rob Kelly and Perine train right now. They are not getting it done.

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[quote=Chico23231;1197836]Oh....I want to highlight something Jay Gruden said yesterday....he stated he and staff had been impressed by Byron Marshall and said he may get more 1st team reps at RB.

I want this shit to happen today. Im on the eff Rob Kelly and Perine train right now. They are not getting it done.[/quote]

I'm not off Perine just yet, but I def want to see Marshall more

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[quote=MTK;1197832]Giants and Colts according to this article : )[/quote]

Eh Colts with Luck but they suck anyway lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1197837]I'm not off [B]Perine[/B] just yet, but I def want to see Marshall more[/quote]

Of course you're not; he played at Oklahoma. He's a fumbler, dude. A couple more fumbles and his ass will be super glued to the bench, or he'll be cut.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1197843]Of course you're not; he played at Oklahoma. He's a fumbler, dude. A couple more fumbles and his ass will be super glued to the bench, or he'll be cut.[/QUOTE] The Matt Jones treatment. Holding a football on the sidelines.

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If we are consistently among the teams who are hurt most by injuries, year after year, shouldn't somebody at Redskins Park be trying to find out why and fix it? The frequency of some types of injuries can be reduced. The attitude of "Shit happens; next man up!" just doesn't get it, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1197843]Of course you're not; he played at Oklahoma. He's a fumbler, dude. A couple more fumbles and his ass will be super glued to the bench, or he'll be cut.[/quote]

Not just because of OU seriously, he's a 2nd year guy. Give him another shot and if he does it again then yes get his ass out. I'd rather have him over Rob, at least he runs hard

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1197845]The Matt Jones treatment. Holding a football on the sidelines.

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Bring back stickum!

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I thought Perine looked good, he definitely looks quicker.

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It is what it is. Time to move on just like the Eagles did last year when they lost their MVP QB. Just like the Vikings did when they lost their rookie RB last year. It's life in the NFL. I just don't buy that we have a black cloud over our team, or it has something to do w/ Snyder. It's just plain old fucking bad ass luck.


But I want to see Marshall get a crack, as well as Bibbs. They're simply more versatile backs than Perine and Kelly. I mean Marshall can be split out and can run pass routes. He can be a mismatch for LB's. Kelly and Perine just don't have that skill set. I'd go w/ those two and of course CT.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1197846]If we are consistently among the teams who are hurt most by injuries, year after year, shouldn't somebody at Redskins Park be trying to find out why and fix it? The frequency of some types of injuries can be reduced. The attitude of "Shit happens; next man up!" just doesn't get it, IMO.[/quote]

How do you fix a rb getting tackled, falls down funny and rips his knee? How do you fix Jordan Reed being as durable as a wine glass?

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[quote=Chico23231;1197836]Oh....I want to highlight something Jay Gruden said yesterday....he stated he and staff had been impressed by Byron Marshall and said he may get more 1st team reps at RB.

I want this shit to happen today. Im on the eff Rob Kelly and Perine train right now. They are not getting it done.[/quote]

I just think the way the league is now you need your backs to be threats out of the backfield. When those two are in the game we become more predictable.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1197846]If we are consistently among the teams who are hurt most by injuries, year after year, shouldn't somebody at Redskins Park be trying to find out why and fix it? The frequency of some types of injuries can be reduced. The attitude of "Shit happens; next man up!" just doesn't get it, IMO.[/quote]

They spent millions of dollars trying to fix that by building new facilities, getting new training staff, etc. . . . what is the answer?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1197858]They spent millions of dollars trying to fix that by building new facilities, getting new training staff, etc. . . . what is the answer?[/quote]

Not my job to find that answer. They need to do that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1197852]How do you fix a rb getting tackled, falls down funny and rips his knee? How do you fix Jordan Reed being as durable as a wine glass?[/quote]

They knew that Reed was often hurt in college when the drafted him. Perhaps they should have drafted somebody else in that spot. I'm talking here about a team policy designed to reduce the number of games lost to injuries and not specifically about Reed.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1197853]I just think the way the league is now you need your backs to be threats out of the backfield. When those two are in the game we become more predictable.[/quote]

Perine and Kelly are too similar of players...At this point Id keep one of these two....Byron Marshall as the #2 with CT as the 3rd down back.

Right now CT is still coming off injury and has yet to mentally be over this type of injury.

Marshall needs more of an opportunity because last year he produced when given the opportunity. Plus that score Thursday was a bigly move...you produce you should get more opportunity. Obviously, Guice balled out Thursday as well.

Look at Perine Thursday...big fumble around the red zone....Rob Kelly (Ryan Grant 2.0) moves as fast as a trash can. You cant produce, you shouldn't get opportunities.

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It wasn't ruled a fumble though right?

For all the griping people do about Perine's fumbling he was credited with 2 last year on 197 total touches.

I think we'll keep all 4 backs with one of them inactive on game days.

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[quote=MTK;1197863]It wasn't ruled a fumble though right?

For all the griping people do about Perine's fumbling he was credited with 2 last year on 197 total touches.

I think we'll keep all 4 backs with one of them inactive on game days.[/quote]

I don’t think that matters to coaches because it was a fumble but whistle had blown. You are probably right....but I would look at waiver wire with the intent to bring in a cut back. Watching the Detroit situation closely.

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I thought I'd be less depressed by now. Nope, still depressed as fuck. Going from Guice to hoping unproven Marshall gets more 1st team reps. FML. And that's not trying to knock Marshall. Best of luck to him, but shit man.

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I'm just expecting our run game to be shit again. Prep for the worst, hope for the best.

2018 Alex, please be 2017 Alex.

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Quite a bit of gnashing of teeth going on. Listen, I'm disheartened that we've lost a potentially, dynamic running back before the season even started. So, I can only imagine how Guice himself feels about having his season ending before it had truly gotten started.

But, I felt, and still do feel, this season will be determined by our defensive line (and, particularly, our defense in general) and what Alex Smith brings to the table. I did feel Guice would've been what the doctor ordered for our offense and Smith, but he's no longer in the cards for the upcoming season. We'll have to lean more on Smith, and go running back by committee and see who comes forward.

Back to the defense. I think barring any signficant injuries, then this will be the group that will do their share of carrying the load. Our defensive line has enormous potential, and should be the catalyst to one of the better defenses in the league this season.

If we can keep the d-line (as, well as the offensive line) in tact, then I think we're gonna be tough to reckon with. I felt this way before Guice's season-ending injury.

Just relax, my fellow fans.

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A healthy Reed will go a long way too. So far he’s been looking great in camp.

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I read somewhere that Guice had a knee issue last year at LSU ... and that was more of why he slipped in the draft than attitude issue..if so then that says a lot about the teams lack of looking into the health of who they are drafting..it sucks we lose a bright spot early.

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I think the skins need to look at another rb in next years draft if things go as they did last year.

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No reason why he shouldn’t be 100% this time next year

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Yeah the repair of the ACL will have him coming back with a stronger knee ligament than he ever had in the first place. And these days guys recover from them quite well, with rarely any lingering problems. His muscle structure around his leg is good, it’s not like RG3 who had two flamingo legs, he’ll be fine.

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1197858]They spent millions of dollars trying to fix that by building new facilities, getting new training staff, etc. . . . what is the answer?[/QUOTE] Knee ligaments are one of those things that can go any time regardless of prep.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1197860]They knew that Reed was often hurt in college when the drafted him. Perhaps they should have drafted somebody else in that spot. I'm talking here about a team policy designed to reduce the number of games lost to injuries and not specifically about Reed.[/quote]

Well that is then another discussion about management. My point was a lot of this is just terrible luck. Allen with a foot fracture last year, just some unlucky shit.

It seems like Gruden has made the practices more physical this camp, from what we've heard.

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[quote=MTK;1197892]A healthy Reed will go a long way too. So far he’s been looking great in camp.[/quote]

We all know once real game action starts, and Reed starts getting tackled and hit, he's going to get hurt. It's only a matter of time with that guy. The coaches know it and that is why he's basically handled like the QB's are in practice. Reed should really at this point just play on obvious passing downs.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1197859]Not my job to find that answer. They need to do that.[/quote]

I agree, and I'd put an "s" to "answer".

There are plenty of ways to [I][U]try[/U][/I] to reduce the amount of injuries.

I remember last year, Jay was asked about the injury bug decimating his team, and if the staff was trying to do something about it, and he dismissed the question, laughing like if it was obviously un-relevant, saying [I][U]"don't worry, our players drink a lot of water"[/U][/I].

Well, maybe in 2018 we can have access to better [I][U]body science[/U][/I] than just drinking a lot of water.

Did you guys look at the first episode of Hard Knocks?
You can see Jarvis Landry having a weird looking work out where he's standing on one leg on a moving tray, throwing and catching a heavy medicine ball.
Both the tray and the ball are tools used by physiotherapists to improve [I][U]proprioception[/U][/I].
Basically it's another way to train your muscles, in a way that they don't need to be activated consciously, but react instinctively and quicker instead.

I just checked, Jarvis Landry never missed a game due to injury.

And then you think about TB12's success with his personal trainer.

Can you get injuries out of football? Of course not.

My point simply is, yes there are plenty of solutions that needs to be looked at (nutrition, innovating workouts, warm ups, field condition etc...).

Not saying our staff is not looking at these solutions, but the amount of injuries year after year suggest maybe more needs to be done.

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i read and article on brett favre once . . . it said that MRI's revealed he had much thicker ligaments than most human beings . . . and that is why his legs could take the punishment that other players legs could not . . . so maybe we need to do and MRI on every player that the skins are interested in signing, and only sign them if they have super ligaments . . . LOL . . . or maybe we should just make players, at least in the pre-season wear knee and ankle and back braces 100% of the time to help keep players healthy . . . OR . . . LOL . . . freak incidents like what happened to Guice will always happen . . . its the game . . . there is not much we can do to ward that off . . . not really!! GEESH . . . or maybe we need to hire a seasoned witch doctor!!

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1197900]Knee ligaments are one of those things that can go any time regardless of prep.

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exactly . . . you can't predict them, nor avoid them really . . . they happen to every team . . . usually at the rate of like 30 per preseason (or something like that)

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1197905]I agree, and I'd put an "s" to "answer".

There are plenty of ways to [I][U]try[/U][/I] to reduce the amount of injuries.

I remember last year, Jay was asked about the injury bug decimating his team, and if the staff was trying to do something about it, and he dismissed the question, laughing like if it was obviously un-relevant, saying [I][U]"don't worry, our players drink a lot of water"[/U][/I].

Well, maybe in 2018 we can have access to better [I][U]body science[/U][/I] than just drinking a lot of water.

Did you guys look at the first episode of Hard Knocks?
You can see Jarvis Landry having a weird looking work out where he's standing on one leg on a moving tray, throwing and catching a heavy medicine ball.
Both the tray and the ball are tools used by physiotherapists to improve [I][U]proprioception[/U][/I].
Basically it's another way to train your muscles, in a way that they don't need to be activated consciously, but react instinctively and quicker instead.

I just checked, Jarvis Landry never missed a game due to injury.

And then you think about TB12's success with his personal trainer.

Can you get injuries out of football? Of course not.

My point simply is, yes there are plenty of solutions that needs to be looked at (nutrition, innovating workouts, warm ups, field condition etc...).

Not saying our staff is not looking at these solutions, but the amount of injuries year after year suggest maybe more needs to be done.[/quote]

they just built a state of the art treatment, prevention and recovery center . . . the science is there . . . luck, for whatever reason has not been

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Knee braces for lineman and running backs in preseason games 1 and 4 doesnt seem like an overly awful idea. I remember RG3 wearing it for a while but i dont remember if it was in preseason games.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1197935]Knee braces for lineman and running backs in preseason games 1 and 4 doesnt seem like an overly awful idea. I remember RG3 wearing it for a while but i dont remember if it was in preseason games.[/QUOTE]Yea. In college, there are a lot of schools where lineman wear them.

I am really not knowledgeable enough though to have an opinion.

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