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Nice to give the mules an ass kicking. Merry Christmas

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Kirk had a good game again. Glad they won

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Didn't get to watch, visiting family, but always nice to beat your friends teams. Skins going to save Grudens skin by beating Giants next week and finishing 8-8.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184016]Didn't get to watch, visiting family, but always nice to beat your friends teams. Skins going to save Grudens skin by beating Giants next week and finishing 8-8.[/quote]

Let's wait and see the effort. Remember last year. I know 8-8 sucks but wow what a difference in feel finishing 3-0 to finish the season would make.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184028]Let's wait and see the effort. Remember last year. I know 8-8 sucks but wow what a difference in feel finishing 3-0 to finish the season would make.[/quote]

Giants are so awful and I think they'll be motivated to finish 8-8. Should be a 100% guarantee but its the Skins, we could definitely pull off the L.

Giants getting smacked by Cardinals right now.

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Nice win, Kirk and Kerrigan MVP’s

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Exactly a week from now the Cousins controversy will be officially re-started. Should be amazing!

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Domination from top to bottom. I don't want this blown up, so I'm enjoying these wins.

Also, whatever-your-holiday-flavor, I hope you and your families all have a great one.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1184031]Exactly a week from now the Cousins controversy will be officially re-started. Should be amazing![/QUOTE]



We should be used to it by now. At this point the Skins are backed into a serious corner.

Letting Cousins go will be a disaster, he’s put up 3 highly productive seasons now, not committing to him will be the equivalent of turning the team’s back to winning. Allen would likely lose his job and take a tremendous hit to his already lowly reputation.

The Skins need to step up and pay him, period.

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[quote=MTK;1184041]We should be used to it by now. At this point the Skins are backed into a serious corner.

Letting Cousins go will be a disaster, he’s put up 3 highly productive seasons now, not committing to him will be the equivalent of turning the team’s back to winning. Allen would likely lose his job and take a tremendous hit to his already lowly reputation.

The Skins need to step up and pay him, period.[/quote]

Has anybody seen Smootsmack? Has he posted any thoughts?

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[quote=MTK;1184041]We should be used to it by now. At this point the Skins are backed into a serious corner.

Letting Cousins go will be a disaster, he’s put up 3 highly productive seasons now, not committing to him will be the equivalent of turning the team’s back to winning. Allen would likely lose his job and take a tremendous hit to his already lowly reputation.

The Skins need to step up and pay him, period.[/quote]

Whatever the offer is, it should be prepared by kickoff and offerred to him by Monday after the season ends. However, with us, its 99% possible that this drags all the way up thru the franchise tag deadline.

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What if you could get case Keemun for 18 million a year and 40 guaranteed? Minnesota is the key to this years free agency. They have three starters on their roster and none under contract next year.

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Didn't even care to watch. Means nothing whether they win or lose. Call me when the games mean something.

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I actually enjoy watching our team when my blood pressure isn't going haywire. (Nice to win, of course.)

But mainly we need to prep ourselves for the Gruden-Cousins hoedown in the offseason. I'm lining up behind them both for the sake of continuity and positive vs negative action.

Kirk still confounds me -- that pick in the end zone from inside the 10 was horrendous. But the TD throw to Davis moving to his left under pressure was a thing of beauty. His game and Gruden's coaching can continue to improve. Keep doing things that don't require Snyder's involvement.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1184041]We should be used to it by now. At this point the Skins are backed into a serious corner.

Letting Cousins go will be a disaster, he’s put up 3 highly productive seasons now, not committing to him will be the equivalent of turning the team’s back to winning. Allen would likely lose his job and take a tremendous hit to his already lowly reputation.

The Skins need to step up and pay him, period.[/QUOTE]Will they do it?? No signs have pointed to yes and I'm worried to be honest

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1184044]What if you could get case Keemun for 18 million a year and 40 guaranteed? Minnesota is the key to this years free agency. They have three starters on their roster and none under contract next year.[/QUOTE]All 3 of those guys are not even close to Kirk, case is having a one year wonder season like we've seen many times in the NFL. That team is loaded he isn't asked to do much. In DC he would be colt McCoy.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1184045]Didn't even care to watch. Means nothing whether they win or lose. Call me when the games mean something.[/QUOTE]Not to be the Grinch but I do agree with u, it's nice to see the team win but it does make it a little less fun when u are playing teams like Denver and NY

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Sorry I’ll take the win

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The Vikings have an interesting situation. Bradford is the guy who has the most ability but can't stay healthy. He'll probably be the odd man out and will end up w/ the Jets or Browns. Keenum would probably be having a bad year if he was playing for the Redskins...lol. He's having a nice year but I get the feeling it's a matter of time before Bridgewater takes over again, but that won't be until next year.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1184054]Sorry I’ll take the win[/QUOTE]


Seriously

Given all the injuries I’ll take 8-8

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I want my Skins to win every time they play.

And I love to see my team put up 386 yards and 27 points against the number one yards D in the league (second after this week) !

I also love to see this defense allow only 11 points! Yes it's Osweiler and and average offense but every body was on fire!

This is the Kerrigan I want to see every week! He played against a bad OL but he seemed really pumped.

Zach Vigil (definitely like this guy!) and Spaight also had a great game. If we can get both Zach Brown and Foster back next year, we're set at ILB !

I disagree with those saying it doesn't matter: going 8-8 instead of 6-10 might be the difference between Gruden keeping his job or not. And Cousins staying here.

Getting the players pumped for a meaningless game is a good sign about a HC, isn't it?

It can change how everybody (us, players, coaches, FO) feels about this team, and have affect the Skins' future.

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I echo you positive thinkers. If they come out and play hard in the last three it is a really good indicator of the character of the players.

We are getting closer to a real team culture compared to the Jay Cutler attitudes from years past.

I'm with you guys. I'll take it.

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I'd say only real negative is Doctson has to be able to catch the tough balls, he's still a disappointment so far. Hope he can turn it around next season!

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[quote=HTTR;1184046]I actually enjoy watching our team when my blood pressure isn't going haywire. (Nice to win, of course.)

But mainly we need to prep ourselves for the Gruden-Cousins hoedown in the offseason. I'm lining up behind them both for the sake of continuity and positive vs negative action.

[B][I]Kirk still confounds me -- that pick in the end zone from inside the 10 was horrendous. But the TD throw to Davis moving to his left under pressure was a thing of beauty. His game and Gruden's coaching can continue to improve. Keep doing things that don't require Snyder's involvement[/I][/B].[/quote]

That's the problem with Kirk,that's who he is and if he hasnt corrected those mistake by now then chances are he never is.If we resign him were just going to have to accept that this is what were gonna get with him,it's just gonna be so fucking hard to accept it when he might be the highest paid player in the game.
In the playoffs with GB,everyone was on Kirk's jockstrap,2 teams going in different directions they said,Skins going up,GB down.Well Rodgers showed them what a great qb is.Kirk had good first half but wilted in the 2nd half.
And we know what happened against the giants last yr in the last game.
Yes I want us to resign Kirk,but I don't think he's ever going to get any better then he is now{which is pretty good but he's still going to make those boneheaded plays}
Like I said,we will just have to accept that's what he does even when he's the league's highest paid QB.

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He forced a throw trying to make a play in the red zone, what QB doesn’t on occasion?? I don’t see it as a big deal or some grand indictment against paying him.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1184076]He forced a throw trying to make a play in the red zone, what QB doesn’t on occasion?? I don’t see it as a big deal or some grand indictment against paying him.[/QUOTE]

I swear some of us would have wanted Brady gone after the first half of this year's SB if he was playing for the Skins

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This team has some issues and a meaningless win against a checked out opponent is not going to help us. Kirk has to stop playing games and commit, so we can focus on building for the future.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1184075]That's the problem with Kirk,that's who he is and if he hasnt corrected those mistake by now then chances are he never is.If we resign him were just going to have to accept that this is what were gonna get with him,it's just gonna be so fucking hard to accept it when he might be the highest paid player in the game.
In the playoffs with GB,everyone was on Kirk's jockstrap,2 teams going in different directions they said,Skins going up,GB down.Well Rodgers showed them what a great qb is.Kirk had good first half but wilted in the 2nd half.
And we know what happened against the giants last yr in the last game.
Yes I want us to resign Kirk,but I don't think he's ever going to get any better then he is now{which is pretty good but he's still going to make those boneheaded plays}
Like I said,we will just have to accept that's what he does even when he's the league's highest paid QB.[/QUOTE]He's a top 12 QB for the next 5 years. I'll take that. I agree it cost a lot but I don't want to let him go for nothing. Two first round picks? Maybe but not just let him walk.

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Folks if you’re waiting for Cousins to turn into Aaron Rodgers you’re going to be disappointed. He isn’t a top 3 QB, but definitely top 10-12. Being the top paid player doesn’t mean you’re necessarily the best player. It’s not how this works.

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[quote=MTK;1184084]Folks if you’re waiting for Cousins to turn into Aaron Rodgers you’re going to be disappointed. He isn’t a top 3 QB, but definitely top 10-12. Being the top paid player doesn’t mean you’re necessarily the best player. It’s not how this works.[/quote]

Mark Rypien wasn’t even as good as Cousins and he won.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1184077]I swear some of us would have wanted Brady gone after the first half of this year's SB if he was playing for the Skins[/quote]

Brady threw a pick six in the Super Bowl, and he also threw another one to the Bills on Sunday. Even the best slip up from time to time.

S/N people forget that Kirk being the highest paid qb is a thing that will literally only last until the next good qb gets paid. It's a revolving door of "highest paid qb in the NFL."

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If Kirk leaves, we will once again find ourselves in chaos from top to bottom; all except for the owner, of course and maybe his yes-man. Odds of ending up with a better QB in 2 or 3 years I would optimistically put at 1 in 4.

And I disagree that Cousins can never get better. He was much better this year moving around in the pocket, extending plays, speeding up progressions. Better, but still with room for improvement.

The culture in Ashburn needs to keep improving as well, but it never will if you don't establish leaders and build an identity around them.

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[QUOTE=HTTR;1184088]If Kirk leaves, we will once again find ourselves in chaos from top to bottom; all except for the owner, of course and maybe his yes-man. Odds of ending up with a better QB in 2 or 3 years I would optimistically put at 1 in 4.

And I disagree that Cousins can never get better. He was much better this year moving around in the pocket, extending plays, speeding up progressions. Better, but still with room for improvement.

The culture in Ashburn needs to keep improving as well, but it never will if you don't establish leaders and build an identity around them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, exactly. The one major improvement Kirk made this year was using his legs to extend plays and find open receivers, rather than committing to the run as soon as the pocket broke down. Yet somehow he's apparently reached his ceiling.

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[quote=mooby;1184086]Brady threw a pick six in the Super Bowl, and he also threw another one to the Bills on Sunday. [B]Even the best slip up from time to time. [/B]

S/N people forget that Kirk being the highest paid qb is a thing that will literally only last until the next good qb gets paid. It's a revolving door of "highest paid qb in the NFL."[/quote]

Exactly, that's my point.
Once a QB is perceived as top 5, when he has a bad game we think "Hey, even the great ones have bad games", but each time Cousins throws a bad ball it's "See?! He'll never get there!".

Not saying Cousins is top 5, not saying every body here being critical of KC thinks like that.
I just think we give too much meaning to each game/each play, we need to look at the big picture.

KC just threw 300 yards and 3 TDs on one of the best defenses (and secondaries) in the NFL, with no true #1 WR, no running game and a depleted offensive line.
I can live with one bad read, especially when he's been asked to take some shots!

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Majority of Skins have a consensus on Cousins. He is in the 10-12 range as a QB. He is good at making reads, good accuracy, durable. He is a pocket passer. He isnt #1 in any given trait (accuracy, pocket presence, arm strength etc) but he is top 10 range in most.

Biggest knock on Cousins is that if he sees a short or medium route open he seems to take the yards and miss or turn down the longer route that is also open. That and he is not physically able to shrug off contact like Big Ben, Cam, Wentz (but only a few can).

I want Kirk signed but an resigned that he wont.

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Cousins would be a lot better with better teammates. Wherever he ends up.

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[quote=mooby;1184086]Brady threw a pick six in the Super Bowl, and he also threw another one to the Bills on Sunday. Even the best slip up from time to time.

S/N people forget that Kirk being the highest paid qb is a thing that will literally only last until the next good qb gets paid. It's a revolving door of "highest paid qb in the NFL."[/quote]

Totally agree with the above posts, Kirk has improved by leaps and bounds in extending plays and using his speed. He is faster than he looks.

Another big difference in his game is having the balls to throw the ball into tight windows, especially in the redzone. Our redzone efficiency is up this year and our running game isn't, so do the math.

But throwing ballsy passes mean more interceptions. I have no problem with a more ballsy Kirk.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184173]Totally agree with the above posts, Kirk has improved by leaps and bounds in extending plays and using his speed. He is faster than he looks.

Another big difference in his game is having the balls to throw the ball into tight windows, especially in the redzone. Our redzone efficiency is up this year and our running game isn't, so do the math.

But throwing ballsy passes mean more interceptions. I have no problem with a more ballsy Kirk.[/quote]

As long as it isn't 2014 ballsy Kirk, I'm cool with it. That guy was just winging it, if you haven't seen improvement from then to now I can't help you.

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[quote=mooby;1184176]As long as it isn't 2014 ballsy Kirk, I'm cool with it. That guy was just winging it, if you haven't seen improvement from then to now I can't help you.[/quote]It's disappointing that Kirk has given Doctson more tight window opportunities, and Josh isn't coming down with contested balls. Worse yet, he looks more concerned about taking a big hit than just catching the damn ball. I can count at least 4 drops that #18 has had in the end zone this season. Regardless of who is QB next year, Doctson needs to raise his game. I long for a badass like Garcon on the WR corps.

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Doctson definitely needs to come up with more tough catches next year. For all the hype about him catching everything in practice he sure seems to drop a lot of balls he should come up with.