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Someone wanna clue me why the fire Jay Gruden train is rolling right now? I fast forwarded after it hit 24-7.

Shouts out to hot garbage Jamison Crowder. That one nice play coming back to the ball notwithstanding, his shoddy hands directly lead to 10 points and setting the tone for Dallas at the start of the game. If I'm Jay Gruden, I'm benching him until he figures out this shitty hands issue. It's beyond tiring.

Kirk, even with a flaming ball of garbage offensive line in front of him, managed to make some things happen. Shouts out to him, esp on the first td drive. QB play like that doesn't come cheap.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time figuring out why Jay Gruden is to blame when our injuries seemed to just catch up with us. Poor defensive play, I mean when A.J. Francis is getting big minutes, and we barely have enough bodies to cover defensive rotations, and it seems like every other player is a guy who has been on the team for a few weeks or a month, well eventually it's bound to catch up to you.

Is it the playcalling? Is it the fact he wouldn't help out Nsekhe when it's clear Nsekhe needed help? Only so much you can do when your limited by personnel imo.

This also goes without saying but I've been on the fire Bruce Allen bandwagon for years now, but I'm really not seeing tonight's game as a thing you can put on him either. Hard to tell how good we'd be playing if half our roster wasn't out or playing injured.

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It’s real simple, his team didn’t show up against a shitty team.
They didn’t show up the last game of season last year either.

His team was not ready to play.

And he has a punchable face....

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[quote=jamf;1181965]It’s real simple, his team didn’t show up against a shitty team.
They didn’t show up the last game of season last year either.

His team was not ready to play.

And he has a punchable face....[/quote]

It felt like the failures at the start were a combination of our own self induced mistakes and the Cowboys came out and set the tempo. They knew we were walking wounded and if they came out and set the tone it would be tough for us to get back in it.

So the last one I do put on Gruden but if we don't cause all that self induced harm it could have been a different game. I put that on the players.

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Fire Jay Gruden and hire Jimmie Johnson. I'm sure he still wants to stick it to Jones. That would be hilarious.

At least we lost on Thursday so they can't ruin my weekend.

Season now is officially over.

Shut Trent down, officially shut Reed down.

Burn it all down especially that cursed stadium that has to be built on an indian burial ground.

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I get what you are saying and I’m probably too emotional right now.

Gruden isn’t a bad coach but his ceiling is what Marvin Lewis is doing in Cinci.
I don’t want to go through 7-9:9-7 for the next 10 years.

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Went to bed at halftime...team wasn’t ready to play tonight. Absolutely pathetic effort.

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I put this entire s%$t Show on Gruden and Cousins. Gruden for not creating a game plan that takes into account the fact that our offensive line is held together with duct tape.

I put it on Cousins because it wasn't until the beginning of the second half that he finally realized that his offensive line was held together with duct tape and he couldn't just stand in the pocket forever.

In the first half of the game Cousins and Gruden seemed clueless to the fact that the offensive line was pure garbage. Like, let's try to run things regular and see what happens. OH, Crap, it's not working, now what do we do.

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I'm not even mad, I knew Dallas owns us. I said it in the pre game thread, we would prob lose but I didn't think it would be that bad. BMitch went off on these clowns after that game. "Don't give me injury excuses" "This team wasn't ready to play and the Special Teams sucks" LOL He's right on, yeah we have a shit ton of injuries but that has nothing to do with 13 men on the field, dropped passes for INTs in the RZ, Fumbled punts and sacks. Last night looked like a Jim Zorn redskins team. At this point I'm all in on a new staff next yr. Hopefully they keep Kirk but it wouldn't shock me if they dont.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1181973]I put this entire s%$t Show on Gruden and Cousins. Gruden for not creating a game plan that takes into account the fact that our offensive line is held together with duct tape.

I put it on Cousins because it wasn't until the beginning of the second half that he finally realized that his offensive line was held together with duct tape and he couldn't just stand in the pocket forever.

In the first half of the game Cousins and Gruden seemed clueless to the fact that the offensive line was pure garbage. Like, let's try to run things regular and see what happens. OH, Crap, it's not working, now what do we do.[/quote]

Man Cousins was outstanding C'mon... He got hit pretty hard again and again, and made perfect throws, took the chances Jay and Josh Doctson and us have been wanting him to take since week 1.
The Doc TD is a awesome throw, 1 inch below and it's deflected, 2 inch higher and it's uncatchable.

And he had a great game with some WR drops too... the first INT is on Crowder, the second one is a tipped ball.

26/37, 251 yards and 2 TDs with no OL, not CT and not much help from his receiving corp is incredible.

How on earth can you pin this game on Kirk is beyond me.

This game is on injuries, and I'm talking about players being out and guys being out there but obviously not 100% (Zach Brown, Ioannidis, Moses, Scherff, Nsekhe etc...), and the defense not stopping the run.

Even Norman has not been himself for a few weeks now.

I love how physical Breeland is playing this year.

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Two words... Jamison Crowder

How many times has this guy fumbled and cost the skins a victory? Matt Jones was cut for less fumbles than JC has had in the past few weeks. 6 Fumbles 3 lost this year alone!!!!

Just google "Jamison Crowder turnovers" and you will be reminded of the costly fumbles and miscues this guy has had (Carolina last year). He has had 12 fumbles in the last 3 years with 5 lost. Not to mention "deflections" for interceptions.

Jay G said "we don't have anyone else to return punts" shit! we have two running backs off the street why can't we find a punt returner? I am 100% sure that there is a guy that can get 10-15yds/return w/o a turnover every other week.

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I would make Crowder inactive for the rest of the season. Too many fumbles. Way too inconsistent. It's time to do the same thing he did with Matt Jones. The biggest problem with this team is discipline. Period. Injuries has set us back, but discipline continues to remain an even bigger issue.

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Injuries wrecked our season. A deep team can overcome some injuries but sometimes a team has so many injuries that it is crippled by them. That's where we are. I can't recall any Redskins team that has suffered so many key injuries. In this rare case, injuries [U]are[/U] a valid excuse for not making the playoffs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1181978]I would make Crowder inactive for the rest of the season. Too many fumbles. Way too inconsistent. It's time to do the same thing he did with Matt Jones. The biggest problem with this team is discipline. Period. Injuries has set us back, but discipline continues to remain an even bigger issue.[/quote]

How much as I want him benched, I'm not sure we have the bodies to afford that...
Why wasn't Brian Quick playing BTW? I thought he was back from his concussion, he didn't have any injury designation this week.

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[quote=Stacks42;1181977]Jay G said "we don't have anyone else to return punts" shit! we have two running backs off the street why can't we find a punt returner? I am 100% sure that there is a guy that can get 10-15yds/return w/o a turnover every other week.[/quote]

I've been saying for years that we [U]can[/U] get better PR's than we've had. I nearly threw up when JG said that during his news conference. Just get one, dammit! Smithers and Doug Williams are worthless, so we probably won't get one.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1181975]Man Cousins was outstanding C'mon... He got hit pretty hard again and again, and made perfect throws, took the chances Jay and Josh Doctson and us have been wanting him to take since week 1.
The Doc TD is a awesome throw, 1 inch below and it's deflected, 2 inch higher and it's uncatchable.

And he had a great game with some WR drops too... the first INT is on Crowder, the second one is a tipped ball.

26/37, 251 yards and 2 TDs with no OL, not CT and not much help from his receiving corp is incredible.

How on earth can you pin this game on Kirk is beyond me.

This game is on injuries, and I'm talking about players being out and guys being out there but obviously not 100% (Zach Brown, Ioannidis, Moses, Scherff, Nsekhe etc...), [B]and the defense not stopping the run[/B].

[B]Even Norman has not been himself for a few weeks now.[/B]

I love how physical Breeland is playing this year.[/quote]

To me...it seems like Breeland and Fuller have been outplaying Josh. Even Dunbar on limited work has played decent. I wonder if Josh drop off is injury related? Call me crazy, but a move like Norman for a number 1 WR would be something Im interested in. Breeland play has been better and better as the season has wore on...maybe Gray coaching? I would make an offer to keep Bree.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1181981]How much as I want him benched, I'm not sure we have the bodies to afford that...
Why wasn't Brian Quick playing BTW? I thought he was back from his concussion, he didn't have any injury designation this week.[/quote]

Bodies don't mean shit if you don't have discipline. We have lacked this for decades now. It's time we get a tough coach who's going to instill some discipline in this team. I like Crowder, but it's way past time to bench him. After last night, he has to be benched and made inactive.

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Simply put. You can't win in the NFL when you turn the ball over 4 or 5 times in a game. That's outrageous. You also can't sustain success when you have guys being carted off the field in each and every game. No offensive line. Only two running backs and we darn near lost Perine last night. Heck, almost lost Cousins.

I'm always emotional after a loss against those Cowpukes. We can lose every single game of the season, but if we beat the Cowboys, it's always a fantastic thing to me. To have been swept by that horrid team two years in a row, that is a bitter pill to swallow, because Cowboys fans are going to let you know about it. They love to talk!

Anyway, I'm fearing this team is headed toward, yet, another shake up by the end of the season. I just hope we keep Kirk Cousins. He's the biggest bright spot of this team. If we lose him, this team is starting all over again. It's like the same nightmare that keeps starting over and over again. We never get out of the rinse cycle.

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[quote=Chico23231;1181983]To me...it seems like Breeland and Fuller have been outplaying Josh. Even Dunbar on limited work has played decent. I wonder if Josh drop off is injury related? Call me crazy, but a move like Norman for a number 1 WR would be something Im interested in. Breeland play has been better and better as the season has wore on...maybe Gray coaching? I would make an offer to keep Bree.[/quote]

Norman simply isn't a true shut down corner and shouldn't be paid as such. Take a pay cut or be cut.

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Breeland got smoked last night. You guys are crazy if u think Josh isn't our best player on D.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1181992]Breeland got smoked last night. You guys are crazy if u think Josh isn't our best player on D.[/quote]

He is overall on the season. But since the Vikings game I don't know if he's playing hurt or what but he's not playing good.
I feel like once he gets beat once or twice in a game he gets mad and makes mistakes.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1181978]I would make Crowder inactive for the rest of the season. Too many fumbles. Way too inconsistent. It's time to do the same thing he did with Matt Jones. The biggest problem with this team is discipline. Period. Injuries has set us back, but discipline continues to remain an even bigger issue.[/quote]

Crowder has been terrifying me on punt returns every game now. I don't even care if we put someone back there who gets a net five yards on a return, just put someone there who can catch.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1181973]I put this entire s%$t Show on Gruden and Cousins. Gruden for not creating a game plan that takes into account the fact that our offensive line is held together with duct tape.

I put it on Cousins because it wasn't until the beginning of the second half that he finally realized that his offensive line was held together with duct tape and he couldn't just stand in the pocket forever.

In the first half of the game Cousins and Gruden seemed clueless to the fact that the offensive line was pure garbage. Like, let's try to run things regular and see what happens. OH, Crap, it's not working, now what do we do.[/quote]You have ZERO understanding of QB play if you put any of this debacle on Cousins. Doctson and Crowder had critical drops in the 1st half. The TD drive just before the half was ALL Kirk, with his 3rd down scramble on 3rd and long, then his brilliant throw to Crowder for a huge play on another 3rd and long, then a perfect back-shoulder throw to Grant for the TD. I can see Kirk taking a young Jacksonville, with a great D and running game, deep in the playoffs if he ends up there.

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I say lets just rush 11 and try to block every punt. Let the ball bounce where it may. Putting Crowder back there is the worst option. He stinks at returning punts.

Why cant Maurice Harris return punts? Just let him fair catch it every time if need be.

What a dumb fuck answer by Gruden, even if true, you dont say that shit. That guy is straight clueless.

We need a grown ass man to be our coach. Hire the toughest son of a bitch we can find and give him the money to get the 2 best coordinators he can get.

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Some stats ..

We got 1 sack, 4 tfl, 2 PD, 4 QB hits

They got 4 sacks, 8 tfl, 7 PD, 9 QB hits.

Of course, Kirk dropped back 37 times compared to Daks 22 .. so a lot more sack/qb hit opportunities.

They ran the ball 42 times (4.3 avg) compared to our 19 (2.9).

4 TOs for us vs 0 for them.

TOP wasnt that bad, favoring them 32 mins to our 27
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The only thing I walk away from this game knowing with certainty ... you cant win when missing some many starters and backups on O line. Too much of a play calling handcuff. You can only scheme so much.

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[quote=over the mountain;1182023]Some stats ..

We got 1 sack, 4 tfl, 2 PD, 4 QB hits

They got 4 sacks, 8 tfl, 7 PD, 9 QB hits.

Of course, Kirk dropped back 37 times compared to Daks 22 .. so a lot more sack/qb hit opportunities.

They ran the ball 42 times (4.3 avg) compared to our 19 2.9).

4 TOs for us vs 0 for them.

TOP wasnt that bad, favoring them 32 mins to our 27
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The only thing I walk away from this game knowing with certainty ... you cant win when missing some many starters and backups on O line. Too much of a play calling handcuff. You can only scheme so much.[/quote]
When you play from behind your Offensive plays are going to be more pass and less run and the other team knows it and can defend it better.

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IMO the Skins have been living on borrowed time and overachieving in spite of how decimated they are due to injuries. Last night it finally caught up to them and they got dusted. I don't think anyone can read anything more into it than that.

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People can blame Gruden all they want and yes he’s at fault for some shitty play calling at times, I don’t believe he should be fired.

Either people forget or are dilussional if you think you stay competitive with a makeshift OL, one RB, no TE, lose a decent WR to a concussion during the game, your best and fastest ILB gets nicked again and slows him down, etc. It’s amazing that they have been competitive, but time and good players ran out.

Allen and Kowitca need to be fired, I give Gruden a pass. The 49ers, Giants, Packers and Redskins have something in common, a
Shitload of injuries and how are they doing? Think about that.

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Cousins was outstanding. He made plays when none were there.

The defense came to play at the beginning of the game but simply couldn't hold up - they were on the field too much. Dallas's offensive line will lean on you if you allow the Cowboys to get up on you.

Which brings me to Crowder. The mistakes and turnovers are what killed us. It let Dallas get ahead, and then they just pounded the rock. If you get up on Dallas, then it takes that element away, and they're not good enough to throw on you to catch up.

Crowder's mistakes lost the game. Jay sits at the podium after the game and says I don't have another punt returner to put back there right now. Doesn't matter, you're missing the point Jay. You have to send a message to Crowder and your team that that bullshit is not acceptable. Put anybody back there, doesn't matter who. They can't fumble it more often than Crowder. And it sends the needed message.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1182001]He is overall on the season. But since the Vikings game I don't know if he's playing hurt or what but he's not playing good.
I feel like once he gets beat once or twice in a game he gets mad and makes mistakes.[/quote]

Agree 100%. Fuller is currently our best DB.

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[quote=Schneed10;1182035]Cousins was outstanding. He made plays when none were there.

The defense came to play at the beginning of the game but simply couldn't hold up - they were on the field too much. Dallas's offensive line will lean on you if you allow the Cowboys to get up on you.

Which brings me to Crowder. The mistakes and turnovers are what killed us. It let Dallas get ahead, and then they just pounded the rock. If you get up on Dallas, then it takes that element away, and they're not good enough to throw on you to catch up.

Crowder's mistakes lost the game. Jay sits at the podium after the game and says I don't have another punt returner to put back there right now. Doesn't matter, you're missing the point Jay. You have to send a message to Crowder and your team that that bullshit is not acceptable. Put anybody back there, doesn't matter who. They can't fumble it more often than Crowder. And it sends the needed message.[/quote]

He would have put Harris in there but he went out with a concussion

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182040]He would have put Harris in there but he went out with a concussion[/quote]

Put a DB back there. Let Kendall Fuller do it. Byron Marshall. Somebody, anybody. They can't be worse than Crowder, and sending the message is too important.

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Right now I think perine will be our guy for a few years, he is pretty good.

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RK got straight owned last night by Collins and Smith, as did Smith. Both of those guys are no where to be found in big games. Kerrigan is a guy that puts up 10-12 sacks a year but when was the last time he made A GW sack? I don't remember him doing that. It's time to draft another DE/OLB early on.

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Fuck Crowder and Doctson. Too many drops, for Crowder too many fumbles or plays directly leading to turnovers this year. And in general fuck all the injuries.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182043]RK got straight owned last night by Collins and Smith, as did Smith. Both of those guys are no where to be found in big games. Kerrigan is a guy that puts up 10-12 sacks a year but when was the last time he made A GW sack? I don't remember him doing that. It's time to draft another DE/OLB early on.[/quote]

Pretty sure it was last year in the 2nd Eagles game where RK had a strip sack to end the game and Murphy recovered it.

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[quote=MTK;1182046]Pretty sure it was last year in the 2nd Eagles game where RK had a strip sack to end the game and Murphy recovered it.[/quote]

Yes u are right, sorry RK you've got 1 lol

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[quote=MTK;1182044]Fuck Crowder and Doctson. Too many drops, for Crowder too many fumbles or plays directly leading to turnovers this year. And in general fuck all the injuries.[/quote]

When MM went down I literally just said F it, it's not meant to be with this team

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positive note ...... Scherff seems to be recovered from his knee injury. He doesnt look the same but he hasnt been taken out.

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[quote=MTK;1182044]Fuck Crowder and Doctson. Too many drops, for Crowder too many fumbles or plays directly leading to turnovers this year. And in general fuck all the injuries.[/quote]

We really need a number 1 WR...crowder and doctson seem like pieces BUT not a go-to...not players who can carry the load.

Id look around the league...there are a couple coming out in free agency and some who could be moved or cut due as salary cap casualties.

Also, why not invest a little in a vet KR/PR? someone dependable. Im done with Crowder back there...its too much for him to be a WR and then cover kicks.

Finally, WR coach needs to get the boot immediately.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182058]We really need a number 1 WR...crowder and doctson seem like pieces BUT not a go-to...not players who can carry the load.

Id look around the league...there are a couple coming out in free agency and some who could be moved or cut due as salary cap casualties.

Also, why not invest a little in a vet KR/PR? someone dependable. Im done with Crowder back there...its too much for him to be a WR and then cover kicks.

Finally, WR coach needs to get the boot immediately.[/quote]

Josh is a good RZ threat but he can't get open in the field of play enough. Crowder is a 3 or 2 at best.