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Now I am not the biggest fan of the sports junkies, or this 247 website, but man I hope this report is not true. IMO Scot is the best GM we have seen under the Snyder era....

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Bruce-Allens-jealousy-is-the-root-of-Redskins-problems--51236833]Report: Bruce Allen's jealousy is the root of Redskins problems[/url]

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A little perspective

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/need-know-there-dysfunction-redskins-park]Need to Know: Is there dysfunction at Redskins Park? | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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Yeah, hoping Scott turns it around this year. Last year left a lot on the table. If he had only helped out the D a little by a good FA and/or draft pick last year, we would have been in the playoffs two years in a row, the franchise would be looked on completely differently and set for the future -- and even Cousins likely would have been offered the contract by now.

Hate the fact that the rumors are swirling again with this new regime. Would love to give KC a contract & have Scott have a press conference, just to quell these media folk. Or perhaps our media don't like silence & will always start rumors and controversies.

Scotts first year was great, second year sucked.. Third time's the charm?

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[quote=ethat001;1165044]Yeah, hoping Scott turns it around this year. Last year left a lot on the table. If he had only helped out the D a little by a good FA and/or draft pick last year, we would have been in the playoffs two years in a row, the franchise would be looked on completely differently and set for the future -- and even Cousins likely would have been offered the contract by now.

Hate the fact that the rumors are swirling again with this new regime. Would love to give KC a contract & have Scott have a press conference, just to quell these media folk. Or perhaps our media don't like silence & will always start rumors and controversies.

Scotts first year was great, second year sucked.. Third time's the charm?[/quote]

I wouldn't say the second year sucked.....when was the last time we had back to back winning seasons? Plus we had to play a 1st place schedule....and we did decent IMO with the shotty defense we had

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This team has been down right terrible since Gibbs left the second time up until Scot McCloughan came aboard. except for one good year in 2012, this team has been a 3-6 win team at best.

McCloughan hasn't been a savior by any stretch, but I think he deserves a bit longer leash than what it appears Allen is giving him. I'm thinking Allen if feeling some heat that if Gruden doesn't have a good year coaching, Allen might be out with Gruden, so Allen is putting the grips on McCloughan.

Honestly, if I'm Snyder, I fire Allen, make McCloughan an actual GM in control off all player and coach personnel, and give Gruden his fifth year. See what McCloughan does without Allen, see what Gruden does. If it works, and extend both guys. If not, fire 'em and start all over again.

Either way, I just don't like these reports and the fact that neither McCloughan nor Allen has come out to squash these rumors just seems to confirm in my mind that there's some truth in them.

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He definitely needs some strong results this offseason, and picks from years 1 and 2 need to step it up.

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Allen seems like a buffoon to me. Honestly, if there's any truth to this and if they let McC walk (or make him), it will be hard to think that this franchise has any real chance of being relevant for the foreseeable future. We probably all need to chill, as who the heck knows what is really going on? Do other franchises (other than a few obviously, massively dysfunctional ones -- e.g., Jets, Bills) get these kinds of reports?

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It is time to give SM complete control. Frankly I am tired of Bruce Allen and his weak ass Hawaiian shirts. Bruce has been here a long time and it is time for change and more importantly giving SM freedom to build the roster.
Give SM 2 to 3 tears of complete control and see what happens.
I also think we need to remove the coaches from the draft process.

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It's a high pressure business. When you're first hired you get a grace period in the first year or two. But after that it's time to show results.

Definitely an important offseason. I would manage the situation a little differently if I were Allen. But if McC, or Allen, or anybody thinks there wouldn't be pressure going into year 3, they're kidding themselves.

As Allen I would have football operations reporting directly to me, with Gruden and McC as peers on the org chart, not responsible for each other.

The reason Gruden and McC should be peers is their jobs necessitate a dichotomy - a push-pull between the go-for-it-now mindset (Gruden) and the build for the long haul (McCloughan). Allen should not get involved in player selection, but he should tell Scot when to get more aggressive in FA and when not to. He should have Schaeffer reporting into him, also a peer with McC and Gruden, and he should listen to Schaeffer's guidance as to when the cap situation calls for aggressiveness and when it calls for restraint.

But Allen should absolutely not be picking players. The directive to McC should be get me a solution to the D line and safety this offseason, and we can afford to spend $__ (Schaeffer's number) in guaranteed money. Do it. And that's it - walk away and let McCloughan pick the players.

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I said before SMs first draft that his first year would be his best because he had been devoting seasons while out of the league researching players. The fact that his second was more in line with NFL norms isn't indicative of a shoddy draft it just means we have to be patient and see how the lower round picks bear out. I do believe that SM knows what players he is looking for. I think he hoped to get some time from Gallette(sp) that never materialized.

If he is under any pressure it is my belief its just normal 3rd year GM stuff and hopefully it doesn't drive him to bad habits.


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Allen insulted and belittled Scot by issuing him a gag order. That does not bode well for their relationship.

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back to back winning seasons and we are talking about Scot being in trouble. Un fucking real

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[quote=Schneed10;1165052]It's a high pressure business. When you're first hired you get a grace period in the first year or two. But after that it's time to show results.

Definitely an important offseason. I would manage the situation a little differently if I were Allen. But if McC, or Allen, or anybody thinks there wouldn't be pressure going into year 3, they're kidding themselves.

As Allen I would have football operations reporting directly to me, with Gruden and McC as peers on the org chart, not responsible for each other.

The reason Gruden and McC should be peers is their jobs necessitate a dichotomy - a push-pull between the go-for-it-now mindset (Gruden) and the build for the long haul (McCloughan). Allen should not get involved in player selection, but he should tell Scot when to get more aggressive in FA and when not to. He should have Schaeffer reporting into him, also a peer with McC and Gruden, and he should listen to Schaeffer's guidance as to when the cap situation calls for aggressiveness and when it calls for restraint.

But Allen should absolutely not be picking players. The directive to McC should be get me a solution to the D line and safety this offseason, and we can afford to spend $__ (Schaeffer's number) in guaranteed money. Do it. And that's it - walk away and let McCloughan pick the players.[/quote]

Nailed it. I assume the Kirk deal is holding everything up, just because it will be a lot easier to plan once a huge chunk of the pie is taken care of. I know Kirk's deal will only account for 1/3 of the available cap at most but I'm sure they want to get it done first.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165056]back to back winning seasons and we are talking about Scot being in trouble. Un fucking real[/quote]

Yeah I got to agree. McC isn't close to the problem..

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165054][B]Allen insulted and belittled Scot by issuing him a gag order[/B]. That does not bode well for their relationship.[/quote]

Do we know that's a true statement? Couldn't it be that SM didn't want to spend time answering redundant questions, and that BA was the person to do it? (I mean I can certainly see a no-nonsense GM wanting to pass the press off to a figure head guy, and then letting the figure head claim that he made the decisision)

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[quote=Chico23231;1165059]Yeah I got to agree. McC isn't close to the problem..[/quote]

I'm telling ya man, if we let Scot go I'm really done. The fact that this is even a possibility is amazing to me.

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Bruce Allen needs to hit the road. He fucking sucks at picking players and should have been fired after 2014. Can Eric Schaefer do his job? Why is Snyder still employing this clown? What has he done since he's been here? Piss away draft picks for lazy ass, flabby, out of shape McNabb? Piss away more picks for RG3? Or overpay old ass Jason Hatcher? This idiot paid Andre Roberts big money and he couldn't catch the ball. Long, Breeland and Murphy are only serviceable players! Nothing more. Ryan Grant is a practice squad player. Amerson? Total bum that wanted to play video games all day. Tracey Porter played like 3 plays his only year here. His best players are Reed, Moses and Thompson.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165061]I'm telling ya man, if we let Scot go I'm really done. The fact that this is even a possibility is amazing to me.[/quote]

I won't say I'm really done, but I'd seriously consider it. McC is probably the best FO move we've made since Bobby B. Allen deserves credit for that 2014 draft but I'd cut him 10/10 times before I let McC go.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165060]Do we know that's a true statement? Couldn't it be that SM didn't want to spend time answering redundant questions, and that BA was the person to do it? (I mean I can certainly see a no-nonsense GM wanting to pass the press off to a figure head guy, and then letting the figure head claim that he made the decisision)[/quote]

Well, I would say if that's the case, then McCloughan and Allen should have made a joint statement to the media stating as such and squashing any rumors that there's some bad blood between the two. With them being silent on the subject (McCloughan having no choice) just keeps fueling the rumor mill and that is not a distraction you want going around at Redskins Park.

We all agree that McCloughan is not the problem, and there is pressure on everybody to make this coming year a success. But the more that the front office stays silent on this story, the more rumors will start flying. Such as McCloughan's drinking, the power struggle, Dan Snyder not being behind Kirk Cousins, etc.... the Post is having a field day and will continue to do so until someone from the front office comes out and sets the record straight. Until then, I can't help but to think what's being said is true.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1165063]Bruce Allen needs to hit the road. He fucking sucks at picking players and should have been fired after 2014. Can Eric Schaefer do his job? Why is Snyder still employing this clown? What has he done since he's been here? Piss away draft picks for lazy ass, flabby, out of shape McNabb? Piss away more picks for RG3? Or overpay old ass Jason Hatcher? This idiot paid Andre Roberts big money and he couldn't catch the ball. Long, Breeland and Murphy are only serviceable players! Nothing more. Ryan Grant is a practice squad player. Amerson? Total bum that wanted to play video games all day. Tracey Porter played like 3 plays his only year here. His best players are Reed, Moses and Thompson.[/quote]

Don't forget Morgan Moses. Allen had a hand in drafting him and he's preformed quite well.

In defense of Allen, he was definitely a step in the right direction once Snyder canned Vinny Cerrato. I would take Allen over Vinny any day, which shows you how much I loathed Cerrato as a Redskins GM. I think what Allen is best at is delegating responsibility to others who can do the job better than he can. Eric Schaefer does a fantastic job with the contracts, McCloughan IS better at player personnel than Allen. Allen can gloat all he wants to about 2014, but let's compare McCloughan's overall track record to Allen's and there's no comparison and Bruce Allen knows that.

I can't help but to think if there might be some issues with McCloughan's drinking and that's the reason why Allen has put the gag on SM? I hope this is not the case. Usually an alcoholic who doesn't completely abstain from the drinking falls back into alcoholism. I know every few alcoholics who can have an occasional beer and not have it lead to another and another and another.

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I'm with CRed, don't jump to conclusions.

You guys remember Jay's end of season press conference where he was asked about talent, he kind of took a shot saying well our first rounder this year couldn't play and our first rounder last year was a guard.

Because if I were McCloughan I would be highly, highly annoyed at that comment. Allen's muzzling of McCloughan could be working both ways, he might have also told Jay don't comment anymore to the media about player acquisition. I want all of those comments kept in house.

That's just one possible scenario. I don't doubt Mike Jones's reporting that McC has been asked to stay away from the media. But there could be a ton of reasons for that, and it may not be the whole story. I mean is it out of the realm of possibility that there's actually a legit reason to keep the comments regarding player acquisition out of the media?

We know what Mike Jones knows but we don't know what Mike Jones doesn't know. Just keep that in perspective.

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If anything, this organization has been too open with the media in the past. Keeping things closer to the vest is a good thing. If there's animosity in the building, that's a bad thing, but no matter what closing ranks is always a good idea.

Bill Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time and he never says shit.

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Let's evaluate Scot's first draft after year 3. The one draft where Bruce had total control (2014) looks pretty good after 3 years: Trent Murphy (2nd), Morgan Moses (3rd), Spencer Long (3rd), and Bashaud Breeland (4th). That's 4 contributors with his top 4 picks. Preston Smith (2nd), Matt Jones (3rd), and Arie K (4th) are all picks by Scot heading into year 3.

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I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/need-know-five-redskins-who-can-boost-scot-mccloughans-approval-rating]Need to Know: Five Redskins who can boost Scot McCloughan's approval rating | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165076]I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/need-know-five-redskins-who-can-boost-scot-mccloughans-approval-rating]Need to Know: Five Redskins who can boost Scot McCloughan's approval rating | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

With this statement, you've given up on last year entire rookie class and you didn't mention one of the most dominant O-line in Conference.

The division title McC "rookie" year with the Skins has his stamp all over it.

I think the most damning moves have been Paea, Reyes, and Bruton Free Agent picks. Scott must do a better job with Free agents this year.

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It's weird. Scot can find absolute GEMS when someone gets hurt, but when it's planned, they've definitely been busts. Again, I love me some Scot, but he loves that 49ers/Seahawks connection and sometimes that isn't the best way to go. I can't ignore that this team has vastly improved since he got here, so he gets another 1-2 years from me before I start questioning. I strongly believe if Doctson had stayed healthy we would have been in the playoffs and he would have been a huge contributor. We have red zone woes and he would have helped a LOT. Sure, could we have taken a DT/DE in that spot, but how much of a difference would that one person have really made?

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[quote=Chico23231;1165077]With this statement, you've given up on last year entire rookie class and you didn't mention one of the most dominant O-line in Conference.

The division title McC "rookie" year with the Skins has his stamp all over it.

I think the most damning moves have been Paea, Reyes, and Bruton Free Agent picks. Scott must do a better job with Free agents this year.[/quote]

Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.

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[quote=Schneed10;1165070]If anything, this organization has been too open with the media in the past. Keeping things closer to the vest is a good thing. If there's animosity in the building, that's a bad thing, but no matter what closing ranks is always a good idea.

Bill Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time and he never says shit.[/quote]

I think if anything, teams should take New England's lead on this and just stop answering questions that the media asks. So, I agree with you 100%. Maybe this is just a move to shut the media out and keep everything in house - like it should be. Heck, back in the 80's, we didn't know anything that went on in the offseason unless it was something like a player holding out for more money. I realize the rules were different back then, but there was never any news about Joe Gibbs or any of his coaching staff before hand. You didn't know if anybody had any cross words with each other. We all assumed the coaching staff was a united front (which they probably were but we wouldn't have known anything different.)

As matter of fact, it wasn't until years later when we eventually found out that Jack Kent Cooke was about to can Joe Gibbs in his first season before being talked off the ledge. I just believe, sometimes, access to too much information is a bad thing. With ol' hoodie, he never gives you a direct answer. If he doesn't like the question, he simply doesn't answer. Even if he likes the question, he still never answers it directly. Like you said, he doesn't say shit.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165079]Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.[/quote]

So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165076]I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/need-know-five-redskins-who-can-boost-scot-mccloughans-approval-rating]Need to Know: Five Redskins who can boost Scot McCloughan's approval rating | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Scherff was a great pick, I dunno about taking a guard that high but he's a dominant player.

Most of the other picks are still in wait and see mode, you can't definitively judge either class yet

P.s. Austin Reiter as a 7th rounder played well for the Browns this season. Good pick, just a victim of numbers here. Also Kyshoen Jarrett was another good late round pick if not for an unfortunate injury

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165079]Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

[B]The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned[/B].

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.[/quote]

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. Like I said before, Division title previous year clearly had Scott stamp on it. Back to back winning seasons? Id say we are moving in a better direction at a quicker pace than previously expected.

Very Weak division? I saw a lot of improvement outside of the Eagles. Giants, Cowboys and us...we aren't easy outs when teams outside the division played us.

Think we need to pump the brakes a lil bit. The offseason is long, but starting with it crushing McC...that's a lil reckless. Lets save the crazy til early Summer at least.

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[quote=metalskins;1165081]So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.[/quote]

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

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[quote=Chico23231;1165083]I didn't mention the free agent wins either. .[/quote]


we are waiting

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165086]we are waiting[/quote]

Lol...refutable, you are a knowledgeable fan, you know them. Id start with V Davis, Blackmon, Foster and J Norman just off the top of the dome. All big time contributors in his tenure here...

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Ummm...yea....whatever the feck...
If our front office is broken then these nimrods better get it fixed or realigned NOW.
We are only two months away from the draft.
:mad:

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Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165084]I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)[/quote]


I'm saying that Allen, from 2009-2014, helped to bring in talent (both player and coaching personnel) that netted him exactly one playoff year. 5 years with only one good season.

Since 2015, the Redskins have won more than they have lost and have had a playoff berth. All within just the first two years of player personnel being managed by Scot McCloughan. So yeah, again, tell me how you think McCloughan is not worth keeping around.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165084]I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)[/quote]

I believe that McNabb was on his last legs during the final season in Philly. He was washed up when he arrived here. Look how horrible he was during his one short season in Minnesota. We didn't do him any favors here, but i also think it wasn't 100% our fault that he sucked here.

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All of this commotion about Scott [B]not[/B] talking.

All he said last year during this time is that he was "looking for football players".

You guys really that hard up to hear that again?

I think this organization is better off because of Bruce and Scott.

This is just off season drama because there's nothing other than Kirk to talk about.

HTTR

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[quote=Evilgrin;1165097]Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.[/quote]

I would argue this point. Many Professional Organizations work to have one voice, and one message. At my work, we are always told, if the media contacts us, we need to redirect them to the head of the marketing department. Bruce is the president of the team and it is his responsibility to make sure there is one message. If the contract with Kirk goes sideways, the last thing they want is Jay, Scot, and Bruce telling the media their side of the situation. Do you think the Patriots or Steelers allow everybody in the organization to address the media?

Finally, i take very little from Mike Jones. I am not in the DC area, but most of the things i read from him are negative towards the team. Look back to November, when he implied Colt could do as well as Kirk. It is a slow time and he needs to fill is weekly article quota.