Offseason Focus: Defensive Line
 

Say what you want, but to me D-line should be the focus for the offseason. Unfortunately, McC has done a relatively poor job in this area and will have to improve in order for the entire Defense to get better.

Lets start here with an outstanding article from Keim:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30003/redskins-defensive-line-must-be-helped-by-free-agency-draft]Redskins' defensive line must be helped by free agency, draft - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

We must resign Baker, we must add a top notch free agent talent, and we must add a D-Lineman with 1 of our first 2 picks.

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I believe SM will focus heavily on the D-line this offseason. Bringing in Tomsula to be the D-line coach is a step in the right direction, IMO. He's a pretty solid D-line coach, with or without farts.

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I'd say this is where they should add a free agent. I heard them talking about Bennie Logan and I'd be fine with that. But regarding the draft, again...it's all about BPA. If d-line is there when we pick then fine. If they think the BPA is a guy on offense then you have to take that player. Hopefully BPA is the guy on Florida or Taco on Mich. Those guys seem to have the quick first step. Too many guys on our D-line that are slow as turtles.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164371]Say what you want, but to me D-line should be the focus for the offseason. Unfortunately, McC has done a relatively poor job in this area and will have to improve in order for the entire Defense to get better.

Lets start here with an outstanding article from Keim:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30003/redskins-defensive-line-must-be-helped-by-free-agency-draft]Redskins' defensive line must be helped by free agency, draft - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

We must resign Baker, we must add a top notch free agent talent, and we must add a D-Lineman with 1 of our first 2 picks.[/quote]

Baker probably wants close to $10 million a year, a 4 year contract, and a big signing bonus. I doubt the Redskins will give it to him.

Paying big bucks for a two down NG is questionable at best.

There are now mock drafts that have Thomas in the top 10, so the chances of him being available appear slim.

It makes more sense to sign 2nd tier FA DL and draft two or three.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1164403]Baker probably wants close to $10 million a year, a 4 year contract, and a big signing bonus. I doubt the Redskins will give it to him.

Paying big bucks for a two down NG is questionable at best.

There are now mock drafts that have Thomas in the top 10, so the chances of him being available appear slim.

It makes more sense to sign 2nd tier FA DL and draft two or three.[/quote]

Well, this is what we expected last year and shit the bed in the draft with Ioannidis. Paea and Reyes were garbage Free Agent busts. So now the need for DL help is even worse...and our only DL-man is a free agent. So poor ass planning if you ask me.

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The money is definitely there to pay a defensive lineman. Logan would be a good investment but I see nothing wrong with splurging for Poe.

Logan played alongside Cox and has been effective. But Poe is a guy that a line has to gameplan around. Logan is formidable but can be handled without a double team as long as your C or G is good.

Poe is much more of a disruptive problem.

And I'd agree, we have to buy at least one expensive lineman on the free agent market. I want Scot to stick with BPA in the draft. So if he gets to round 5 and doesn't pick a lineman, yet he thinks that's how BPA is breaking, I honestly want him to stick with that. Fill the needs in free agency. I'd pay for Poe, resign Baker, and bargain hunt for another free agent.

Then hopefully a lineman comes along as BPA, too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164371]Say what you want, but to me D-line should be the focus for the offseason. Unfortunately, McC has done a relatively poor job in this area and will have to improve in order for the entire Defense to get better.

Lets start here with an outstanding article from Keim:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30003/redskins-defensive-line-must-be-helped-by-free-agency-draft]Redskins' defensive line must be helped by free agency, draft - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

[B]We must resign Baker, we must add a top notch free agent talent, and we must add a D-Lineman with 1 of our first 2 picks.[/B][/quote]

I agree with all of these moves. I'd go just a little further, though. I'd like to see the Skins draft two DL with high grades since this is a deep draft for DL. Also, I'd like to see the Skins pick up another lower tier FA for the DL. Specifically, I'd like to see Ziggy Hood re-signed because I think he was a good fit here.

In summary:

- Re-sign Chris Baker
- Sign another top-notch FA DL
- Sign a lower tier FA DL (Ziggy Hood?)
- Draft two DL in the first four rounds

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Junior Gallete was resigned for league minimum. Low risk, high reward if he stays healthy. If he does actually stay healthy this will be a boon if we are lucky enough to get Solomon from Stanford or that kid from Alabama.

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I am still all in on Junior Galette. Dude's going to have a big impact for us.

I'm happy to be one of the only people left to carry this banner. The Skins would be prudent not to count on great play from him, missing two seasons in a row. But I'm telling you the nature of these injuries, you can bounce right back from them like nothing happened.

He's going to ball out.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164414]I am still all in on Junior Galette. Dude's going to have a big impact for us.

I'm happy to be one of the only people left to carry this banner. The Skins would be prudent not to count on great play from him, missing two seasons in a row. But I'm telling you the nature of these injuries, you can bounce right back from them like nothing happened.

He's going to ball out.[/quote]

Im really hoping so...ya know, from a personnel standpoint: JG, Trent Murphy, Kerrigan, Preston Smith....This is a stable of pass rushers/OLB.

Just adding 2 new starters at NT/DT, DE could help unleash these guys even more.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164415]Im really hoping so...ya know, from a personnel standpoint: JG, Trent Murphy, Kerrigan, Preston Smith....This is a stable of pass rushers/OLB.

Just adding 2 new starters at NT/DT, DE could help unleash these guys even more.[/quote]

Agree and if the pass rush improves so does DB play.

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Keim is spot on...we cannot over look our d-line again this year.

I'd love to get 2 through FA (counting Baker as one of them). I really believe we could afford an upgrade at ILB & FS possibly too.

If all that happens, then yes, go wild on BPA in the draft.

But if we sit on our hands in F/A, then we cannot ignore needed upgrades in the draft.

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[quote=Bangee7;1164446]Keim is spot on...we cannot over look our d-line again this year.

I'd love to get 2 through FA (counting Baker as one of them). I really believe we could afford an upagred at ILB & FS possibly too.

If all that happens, then yes, go wild on BPA in the draft.

But if we sit on our hands in F/A, then we cannot ignore needed upgrades in the draft.[/quote]

Man I want a serious ILB draft pick...if we went DT/DE and ILB with our first 2 picks I'm gonna be all smiles. This is my ideal start to the draft cause we need to improve up the middle of the defense to stop the run. Im penciling in Cravens as our starting SS too.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1164447]Man I want a serious ILB draft pick...if we went DT/DE and ILB with our first 2 picks I'm gonna be a smiles. This is my ideal start to the draft cause we need to improve up the middle of the defense to stop the run. Im penciling in Cravens as our starting SS too.[/QUOTE]



We absolutely have to make ilb and Dline our first two picks. I dont care how good the wide receiver is that is sitting there!

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[quote=punch it in;1164451]We absolutely have to make ilb and Dline our first two picks. I dont care how good the wide receiver is that is sitting there![/quote]

Don't get sucked into need based drafting. We have problems at ILB, all DL spots, free safety, left guard, tailback. I would also suggest that if you think you have a dynamite edge rusher or CB on the board you should never pass that up.

And if you think the next great QB is available at that spot, you can't say no.

The only thing we can say for sure is we don't need tackles.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164452]Don't get sucked into need based drafting. We have problems at ILB, all DL spots, free safety, left guard, tailback. I would also suggest that if you think you have a dynamite edge rusher or CB on the board you should never pass that up.

And if you think the next great QB is available at that spot, you can't say no.

The only thing we can say for sure is we don't need tackles.[/quote]

Man I remember the days when we weren't set at either tackle. Why can't we just be good at every position again? It's always something, we got a good defense but crap offense. Now it's a good offense but a crap defense. Eventually something's gotta give.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164452]Don't get sucked into need based drafting. We have problems at ILB, all DL spots, free safety, left guard, tailback. I would also suggest that if you think you have a dynamite edge rusher or CB on the board you should never pass that up.

And if you think the next great QB is available at that spot, you can't say no.

The only thing we can say for sure is we don't need tackles.[/quote]

Sometimes I feel (this is more of a feeling than an analyzed reasoning) like we over evaluate NFL pros' skills to predict what a college player will become in the NFL.

I mean, I understand the reasoning behind BPA drafting, but there's always a 50/50 chance the most promising guy will turn out to be a complete bust...

And then you end up not having filled up gaping holes in your team to draft an unneeded bad (or even average) player at a position you already have depth...

I say we have too many holes to fill on D to hope that'll be fix through FA only, filling those holes should be a priority in the offseason, including the draft.

And if you make another team's day by not drafting a really good WR, well good for them but we saw how far a GREAT offense could get us with a bad defense... Not very far.

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Here we go again! It's the annual BPA vs. Need argument.

It starts out at the end of the season with everyone clamoring for the Skins to draft to fill our needs. One guy says we need to draft at least four D-Linemen and another guy says "No! We need to use [U]all[/U] of our picks on D-Linemen.", or something like that (gross exaggerations on my part).

Then it morphs into we should take a D-Lineman if he is the BPA or close to the BPA when we pick.

By the time the draft rolls around, anyone who supports drafting for need is crucified by the majority of the posters here, most of whom who have changed back into rabid BPA supporters, as they do every year. It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde on The War Path.

After the draft, we all complain that we didn't draft any D-Linemen in the early rounds.

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Lets look at one of my top football reference sites and pending free agent Chris Swaggy Baker:

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/chris-baker-8125/market-value/]Chris Baker Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url]

Market Value
4 yrs, $29,853,154
Avg. Salary: $7,463,289

You buying? Sign me the eff up

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[quote=Chico23231;1164460]Lets look at one of my top football reference sites and pending free agent Chris Swaggy Baker:

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/chris-baker-8125/market-value/]Chris Baker Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url]

Market Value
4 yrs, $29,853,154
Avg. Salary: $7,463,289

You buying? Sign me the eff up[/quote]

Yes! We need Big Swaggy. Nevertheless, I'd like that 4th year to be a team option.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164460]Lets look at one of my top football reference sites and pending free agent Chris Swaggy Baker:

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/chris-baker-8125/market-value/]Chris Baker Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url]

Market Value
4 yrs, $29,853,154
Avg. Salary: $7,463,289

You buying? Sign me the eff up[/quote]

Seems like fair value to me. He's a good but not great player. Bennie Logan is probably a bit superior. Baker can be part of a good line as long as there's a more disruptive force playing alongside him. You don't want him being seen as the best player on your line - because if offensive lines put their attention on him he won't hold up to double teams or combo blocks.

He's a key part. $7.5M per year seems reasonable.

Of course we all know how free agency works, decent players get overpaid. Hopefully Baker will want to stay in DC and Schaeffer will be able to get him to agree to $7.5M.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1164457]Sometimes I feel (this is more of a feeling than an analyzed reasoning) like we over evaluate NFL pros' skills to predict what a college player will become in the NFL.

I mean, I understand the reasoning behind BPA drafting, but there's always a 50/50 chance the most promising guy will turn out to be a complete bust...

And then you end up not having filled up gaping holes in your team to draft an unneeded bad (or even average) player at a position you already have depth...

I say we have too many holes to fill on D to hope that'll be fix through FA only, filling those holes should be a priority in the offseason, including the draft.

And if you make another team's day by not drafting a really good WR, well good for them but we saw how far a GREAT offense could get us with a bad defense... Not very far.[/quote]

But you have just as much of a chance of whiffing on the player who fills a need as you do on the best guy on your board regardless of position.

You're right, we see that if a GM hits on more than 50% of his picks then he's doing really well. But you can whiff on a lineman you need just as much as you can whiff on a WR that would be a depth guy. This thinking doesn't make an argument in favor of drafting for need.

You're going to miss on your share of guys. Just get the best guys you possibly can on those nice cheap rookie deals and let the chips fall where they may. Use free agency to fill needs - you have to pay through the nose but at least you have a better idea of what you're getting as opposed to the 50/50 crapshoot of the draft.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164462]Seems like fair value to me. He's a good but not great player. Bennie Logan is probably a bit superior. Baker can be part of a good line as long as there's a more disruptive force playing alongside him. You don't want him being seen as the best player on your line - because if offensive lines put their attention on him he won't hold up to double teams or combo blocks.

He's a key part. $7.5M per year seems reasonable.

Of course we all know how free agency works, decent players get overpaid. Hopefully Baker will want to stay in DC and Schaeffer will be able to get him to agree to $7.5M.[/quote]

Yeah....You know when going through and analyzing, D-Line players, Baker value, other FA options, quality of play.... it is important to remember: who played next to Baker? No one...meaning he garnered a lot of attention up front from opposing Olines and STILL produced. He did have RK usually too his left, but he had no NT/DT or quality piece at the other DE spot. Think that says a lot.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164463]But you have just as much of a chance of whiffing on the player who fills a need as you do on the best guy on your board regardless of position.

You're right, we see that if a GM hits on more than 50% of his picks then he's doing really well. [B]But you can whiff on a lineman you need just as much as you can whiff on a WR that would be a depth guy.[/B] This thinking doesn't make an argument in favor of drafting for need.

You're going to miss on your share of guys. Just get the best guys you possibly can on those nice cheap rookie deals and let the chips fall where they may. Use free agency to fill needs - you have to pay through the nose but at least you have a better idea of what you're getting as opposed to the 50/50 crapshoot of the draft.[/quote]

Agreed.

Honestly I don't have a strong argument against the BPA strategy, I just feel like you have to have an open mind, and if you can choose between a high ranked guy at a position you don't need and a guy ranked just a few spots behind the first one but playing a position you need, drafting the second guy seems smarter to me.

We also tend to forget that part of how these young players will develop depends on how they'll be coached, what team will be around them etc... It's not Madden where you can definitely say "this guy is an 84 overall while that one is only a 77 overall".

The point could also be made that considering you have a 50/50 chance of drafting a bust, if you use 2 of your first 4 picks on a position you need, you dramatically improve your chances of filling a hole on your team.

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I see two inherent problems with BPA, not that I'm against it.

1. If the holes are to be filled by FA acquisitions, that is a very expensive way to go.

2. In today's NFL, you just don't see player for player trades so you can't balance out needs between teams at a reasonable cost.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164464]Yeah....You know when going through and analyzing, D-Line players, Baker value, other FA options, quality of play.... it is important to remember: who played next to Baker? No one...meaning he garnered a lot of attention up front from opposing Olines and STILL produced. He did have RK usually too his left, but he had no NT/DT or quality piece at the other DE spot. Think that says a lot.[/quote]

I completely agree. Baker is the only interior D lineman on our team that any other team would want. Nothing would improve this team more than signing Baker, adding another quality DT/NT and adding a quality free safety.
These are critical positions that need to be manned by competent NFL quality.
They will make the rest of the defense much better and in turn the team much better. Just three guys. Free agency has to be used to get at least two of them. Then the first round pick to get the third.
We saw the result last season of passing on the higher quality free agents and only counting on the draft. It cost our D coordinator his job, because the FO fucked up and we were forced to go into the season with the likes of Kedric Goldston as our starting NT.
Great DT's will make our LB's and DE's better.
A great FS will make our CB's ans SS better.
Problem solved.
The question becomes will FO be able to pass on other lesser needs to fill these glaring needs?
AFTER filling these three glaring needs at 2x DT and FS then you can draft BPA.
But you have to walk before you can run. Our defense is still crawling.
There are needs and there are glaring needs. Glaring needs bring the entire team down. For example, when our O line sucked and could not protect our QB.
Or when we did not have a QB worth a damn. Glaring needs have to addressed or the team will not make the playoffs and will fail.
I remember in our last super bowl winning team of 1992, I could look out onto the field and not see a single weakness in our starting lineup. Not a one. That brought me great joy even before we won the 92 super bowl. Just the confidence that our offense, defense and special teams did not have a single weakness in the chain. It was solid. That team was built with a combination of free agency and draft.

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^^^^ this is a nice post

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[quote=Defensewins;1164578]I completely agree. Baker is the only interior D lineman on our team that any other team would want. Nothing would improve this team more than signing Baker, adding another quality DT/NT and adding a quality free safety.
These are critical positions that need to be manned by competent NFL quality.
They will make the rest of the defense much better and in turn the team much better. Just three guys. Free agency has to be used to get at least two of them. Then the first round pick to get the third.
We saw the result last season of passing on the higher quality free agents and only counting on the draft. It cost our D coordinator his job, because the FO fucked up and we were forced to go into the season with the likes of Kedric Goldston as our starting NT.
Great DT's will make our LB's and DE's better.
A great FS will make our CB's ans SS better.
Problem solved.
The question becomes will FO be able to pass on other lesser needs to fill these glaring needs?
[B]AFTER filling these three glaring needs at 2x DT and FS then you can draft BPA.[/B]
But you have to walk before you can run. Our defense is still crawling.
There are needs and there are glaring needs. Glaring needs bring the entire team down. For example, when our O line sucked and could not protect our QB.
Or when we did not have a QB worth a damn. Glaring needs have to addressed or the team will not make the playoffs and will fail.
I remember in our last super bowl winning team of 1992, I could look out onto the field and not see a single weakness in our starting lineup. Not a one. That brought me great joy even before we won the 92 super bowl. Just the confidence that our offense, defense and special teams did not have a single weakness in the chain. It was solid. That team was built with a combination of free agency and draft.[/quote]

This!

If we add one great and one good DL, and a great FS, and we move Cravens to SS and sign Baker back... I'm fine with BPA approach.

If some of these holes are still unfilled when draft comes, I say filling them has to (at least) come into the draft planning.

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[quote=Defensewins;1164578]I completely agree. Baker is the only interior D lineman on our team that any other team would want. Nothing would improve this team more than signing Baker, adding another quality DT/NT and adding a quality free safety.
These are critical positions that need to be manned by competent NFL quality.
They will make the rest of the defense much better and in turn the team much better. Just three guys. Free agency has to be used to get at least two of them. Then the first round pick to get the third.
We saw the result last season of passing on the higher quality free agents and only counting on the draft. It cost our D coordinator his job, because the FO fucked up and we were forced to go into the season with the likes of Kedric Goldston as our starting NT.
Great DT's will make our LB's and DE's better.
A great FS will make our CB's ans SS better.
Problem solved.
The question becomes will FO be able to pass on other lesser needs to fill these glaring needs?
[B]AFTER filling these three glaring needs at 2x DT and FS then you can draft BPA.[/B]
But you have to walk before you can run. Our defense is still crawling.
There are needs and there are glaring needs. Glaring needs bring the entire team down. For example, when our O line sucked and could not protect our QB.
Or when we did not have a QB worth a damn. Glaring needs have to addressed or the team will not make the playoffs and will fail.
I remember in our last super bowl winning team of 1992, I could look out onto the field and not see a single weakness in our starting lineup. Not a one. That brought me great joy even before we won the 92 super bowl. Just the confidence that our offense, defense and special teams did not have a single weakness in the chain. It was solid. That team was built with a combination of free agency and draft.[/quote]

Good post.
Agreed. I'd like throw in an active ILB too, but I can roll the way you laid it out there.

I have no problem with BPA, as long as we address our glaring weaknesses in F/A. We did NOT do that last year, we half-assed it. That's why we had the uproar about taking Josh Doctson.

We're in better financial position this year, so there's no reason we can't upgrade. Nobody is clamoring for over-paying, but don't expect 3-4 journey-men who couldn't start somewhere else to come in her and make us better.

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[quote=schneed10;1164452]don't get sucked into need based drafting. We have problems at ilb, all dl spots, free safety, left guard, tailback. I would also suggest that if you think you have a dynamite edge rusher or cb on the board you should never pass that up.

And if you think the next great qb is available at that spot, you can't say no.

The only thing we can say for sure is we don't need tackles.[/quote]

+1.

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CJenkins on ALanier: "Just watching the natural talent he has…He can be a premier player in this league. Seriously."

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J.P. Finlay of CSN Mid-Atlantic reports the Redskins have yet to open contract negotiations with impending free agent DE Chris Baker.

The same is true of DeSean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, and Vernon Davis, suggesting the Redskins are waiting until the coaching staff is finalized before making any personnel decisions. Baker has 10.5 sacks the last two seasons and is clearly the best defensive lineman on the roster, [B]but reports suggest Washington is lukewarm on bringing him back. If they do not want him,[/B] Baker should have plenty of takers on the open market.

Why!!!???

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just read they are looking at brandon williams, NT, ravens

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[quote=Chico23231;1164776]J.P. Finlay of CSN Mid-Atlantic reports the Redskins have yet to open contract negotiations with impending free agent DE Chris Baker.

The same is true of DeSean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, and Vernon Davis, suggesting the Redskins are waiting until the coaching staff is finalized before making any personnel decisions. Baker has 10.5 sacks the last two seasons and is clearly the best defensive lineman on the roster, [B]but reports suggest Washington is lukewarm on bringing him back. If they do not want him,[/B] Baker should have plenty of takers on the open market.

Why!!!???[/quote]

Gawd. There's a chance this offseason could be the most headscratching ever. Gotta hope this is just a matter of time. Like so many others redskins' issues.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1164779]Gawd. There's a chance this offseason could be the most headscratching ever. Gotta hope this is just a matter of time. Like so many others redskins' issues.[/quote]

Is it an age thing? Some teams don't sign F/A's over a certain age to large contracts.

Brandon Williams 27, Bennie Logan = 27

Baker=29

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Brandon Williams and Bennie Logan are both better than Baker, especially Williams and to me Baker has always been an average player. Nothing really special about him to me.

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Baker was our best d lineman so i just assumed he'd be back, but if hes asking for more than 7ish per year I'd let him walk. I dont like how he takes plays off, also that play a couple years ago where he was celebrating with a loose ball right behind him has always stuck with me

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1164798]Brandon Williams and Bennie Logan are both better than Baker, especially Williams and to me Baker has always been an average player. Nothing really special about him to me.[/quote]

If we settle and give big money to Brandon Williams, but we passed on a much better NT Snacks Harrison last year...Ive lost some respect to the front office. This make absolutely zero fucking sense.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1164798]Brandon Williams and Bennie Logan are both better than Baker, especially Williams and to me Baker has always been an average player. Nothing really special about him to me.[/quote]

Agree. Being the best of the worst doesn't mean you pay him him a huge contract.

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I've got no problem with going into free agency treating Baker as if he's any other D Lineman on the market. They want to get the best players they can for the dollar. If that ends up being Baker, fine. If they end up with somebody better, then great.

They just better not end up with somebody worse and still have cap space unused or beatings will continue until morale improves.