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Rex the Buffoon of Buffalo is done.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18357761/buffalo-bills-fire-head-coach-rex-ryan]Buffalo Bills fire head coach Rex Ryan[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1160197]Rex the Buffoon of Buffalo is done.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18357761/buffalo-bills-fire-head-coach-rex-ryan]Buffalo Bills fire head coach Rex Ryan[/url][/quote]

He can go hang with Jeff Fisher in the "I will never be a HC again" bar.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/25/terry-bradshaw-has-some-thoughts-on-mike-tomlin-and-theyre-not-positive/?utm_term=.50c5db059602[/url]

"Terry Bradshaw has some thoughts on Mike Tomlin, and they’re not positive"

saw this the other day and thought weak sauce by Bradshaw. I don't know what it is, but Bradshaw always seems to have it in with his old team. I think he is way off and out of line here. Tomlin seems like a very solid coach.

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Bills kinda did him wrong. They let him go now because they knew he would beat the jets. There reason was because he was a losing coach... If he beat the jets he would have been. 500 both seasons. Bush league imo

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So is he our next D coordinator?

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[quote=Chico23231;1160212][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/25/terry-bradshaw-has-some-thoughts-on-mike-tomlin-and-theyre-not-positive/?utm_term=.50c5db059602[/url]

"Terry Bradshaw has some thoughts on Mike Tomlin, and they’re not positive"

saw this the other day and thought weak sauce by Bradshaw. I don't know what it is, but Bradshaw always seems to have it in with his old team. I think he is way off and out of line here. Tomlin seems like a very solid coach.[/quote]

Exactly!!!! Cowher has been gone a long time now and the Steelers are again strong contenders. Tomlin is a top notch c.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1160216]So is he our next D coordinator?[/quote]

Bring him on in, idc what you think about the offenses he's ran but he knows how to coach a defense. With a talent upgrade I know he will be better than Joe Barry.

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[quote=Chico23231;1160212][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/25/terry-bradshaw-has-some-thoughts-on-mike-tomlin-and-theyre-not-positive/?utm_term=.50c5db059602[/URL]

"Terry Bradshaw has some thoughts on Mike Tomlin, and they’re not positive"

saw this the other day and thought weak sauce by Bradshaw. I don't know what it is, but Bradshaw always seems to have it in with his old team. I think he is way off and out of line here. Tomlin seems like a very solid coach.[/quote]

Agreed. Sometimes the best coaches are the ones that just bring stability to an organization. Bradshaw must not be seeing the caliber of head coaches in the NFL today if he thinks Tomlin isn't good. I'm not sure how much responsibility Tomlin has but he consistently has the Steelers in contention every year. That alone is worthy of respect.

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[quote=Chico23231;1160212][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/12/25/terry-bradshaw-has-some-thoughts-on-mike-tomlin-and-theyre-not-positive/?utm_term=.50c5db059602[/url]

"Terry Bradshaw has some thoughts on Mike Tomlin, and they’re not positive"

saw this the other day and thought weak sauce by Bradshaw. I don't know what it is, but Bradshaw always seems to have it in with his old team. I think he is way off and out of line here. Tomlin seems like a very solid coach.[/quote]

Bradshaw was and is the most overrated QB ever. Not sure why he's running his mouth.

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Rex got the Bills to 7 wins. That's pretty good if you ask me.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1160235]Bradshaw was and is the most overrated QB ever. Not sure why he's running his mouth.[/quote]

Why is Bradshaw wrong? He said Tomlin is not a great coach. He may have said it poorly, but he is not off base.

Tomlin is not a "Great" coach. I think we confuse great and very good. He is still coaching and could move to the level of great, but he is not there yet. He inherited a HOF QB and stable front office.

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[quote=mooby;1160227]Agreed. Sometimes the best coaches are the ones that just bring stability to an organization. Bradshaw must not be seeing the caliber of head coaches in the NFL today if he thinks Tomlin isn't good. I'm not sure how much responsibility Tomlin has but he consistently has the Steelers in contention every year. That alone is worthy of respect.[/quote]


He said Tomlin is not a "great" coach. He never said he wasn't a good coach.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1160248]He said Tomlin is not a "great" coach. He never said he wasn't a good coach.[/quote]

If you want to argue the semantics of great/good, be my guest. Calling someone a "cheerleader coach" doesn't sound like they would fall under the definition of either IMO. Considering the man has a SB ring I would think that's pretty insulting.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1160248]He said Tomlin is not a "great" coach. He never said he wasn't a good coach.[/quote]

Calling him a cheerleader? Tomlin should knock his old ass out. That's disrespectful.

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Who the fuck even listens to Terry Bradshaw? It's like caring what some homeless man on the street has to say. He's nobody, and he got carried by his team during his era.

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I'd take Rex, he can coach defense.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1160254]I'd take Rex, he can coach defense.[/quote]

Rex, Jeff Fisher, and Gregg Williams will all be out there for Defense Coordinator, but i think there is next to no chance that Williams comes back here. I have frequently been wrong here before but I think i'm right about Williams.

Jeff Fisher or Rex Ryan would both bring respectability to the defense, something I don't think we will have here as long as Barry is around...

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I agree Chico, Tomlin has kept the high standard set by Cowher. If Tomlin was mediocre, that high standard would have gone down a notch.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1160253]Who the fuck even listens to Terry Bradshaw? It's like caring what some homeless man on the street has to say. He's nobody, and he got carried by his team during his era.[/quote]

4 rings = HOF. Can't take it away from him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1160251]Calling him a cheerleader? Tomlin should knock his old ass out. That's disrespectful.[/quote]

I am not saying it wasn't disrespectful, but he is correct. Tomlin is not a "great" coach.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1160256]I agree Chico, Tomlin has kept the high standard set by Cowher. If Tomlin was mediocre, that high standard would have gone down a notch.[/quote]

He has won one superbowl in 10 years with a good front office, good defensive coordinator, and HOF QB.

If Tomlin is the standard for great, then John Harbaugh is also a great coach.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1160259]He has won one superbowl in 10 years with a good front office, good defensive coordinator, and HOF QB.



If Tomlin is the standard for great, then John Harbaugh is also a great coach.[/QUOTE]



Tomlin definitely walked into a good thing, but he has also kept them competitive year in and year out. Sometimes with major injuries, or a piss poor oline, or just not a whole lot of talent - certain years. It always seems like they are going to go into a rebuild and they remain very competitive. Ben has a lot to do with it but so does Tomlin. He is not legendary but he is a great coach. So is Harbaugh. There is a difference between great and genius. A genius he is not. Ill give you that. But them is some high standards.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1160259]He has won one superbowl in 10 years with a good front office, good defensive coordinator, and HOF QB.[/quote]

The same thing I've been saying about Tomlin. His first few seasons, he was winning off the residuals of Cowher. Now, he's just taking advantage of what you mentioned above (although, he no longer has LeBeau).

I also think Tomlin is a "rah-rah" guy. I've even stated as much to a handful of friends who happen to be Steeler fans.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1160259]He has won one superbowl in 10 years with a good front office, good defensive coordinator, and HOF QB.

If Tomlin is the standard for great, then John Harbaugh is also a great coach.[/quote]

I think you're not giving the man enough credit for a SB win. Do you know how hard it is to even make it to the game? There are a lot of great coaches and players that played their entire careers without winning or even making it to the big game.

If you think going to 2 SB's and winning one doesn't mean jack for a head coach (who literally controls the majority of day-to-day operations for the entire team) then you are not giving him his due. Even if you want to detract by saying he had a good team and coordinators around him, that's the f'n guy who decided to make sure he had them around him. Those are the decisions the head coach has to make. The GM doesn't decide who the head coach's coordinators are. You think the GM gave Tomlin no input on who made the final roster? In what world would they win a championship with minimal input from the head coach?

I fucking wish Jay Gruden was smart enough to know Joe Barry was gonna waste his time for two years instead of deciding not to hire him right off the bat. I fucking wish our team had coordinators so smart that Gruden could delegate all the responsibility to them so he could stand on the sidelines and make his biggest decision "should I challenge this play or not?" What is the singular goal of every head coach in every major sport? It's not "make this organization rich again." It's "win some motherfucking, goddamn, glory-hogging championships!" That's it. Everything they do centers around that.

So when you have a head coach who actually manages to get there twice and win one, you acknowledge and respect that fact. Saying he won games early the back of Cowher (who literally won one championship in his 15th fucking season) is like saying he found a lotto ticket and decided to check it for shits and giggles. Do you even know how much work goes into being an NFL head coach? Fuckin' a. You think he's Steve Spurrier'ing up in this bitch, working his 9-5 and going golfing during free agency?

Do you know why the best head coaches are successful? It's because they fucking eat, breathe, sleep, and dream football. You are kidding yourself if you think 100 wins in 10 years happens while the head coach is coasting, or as Bradshaw says "cheerleading." But maybe I should take Bradshaw's word for it, because he basically won his championships while cheerleading his defense and his playmakers.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1160259]He has won one superbowl in 10 years with a good front office, good defensive coordinator, and HOF QB.

If Tomlin is the standard for great, then John Harbaugh is also a great coach.[/quote]

This comment is almost laughable. Seems like you're forgetting that he made another one and they go to the post season just about every year. I'll take Tomlin's results and so would you.

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Tomlin's resume speaks for itself.

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You are correct and to me his resume says "Hall of Very Good". He is standing next to Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Mike MacCarthey, and Gary Kubiak.

Time will tell if one of them makes it in the Hall of Fame. One ring no longer puts you in the category of great.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1160272]This comment is almost laughable. Seems like you're forgetting that he made another one and they go to the post season just about every year. I'll take Tomlin's results and so would you.[/quote]

You should go to the playoffs with a HOF QB, Le'Veon Bell, and Antonio Brown.

You are correct, I would take his results every year. You are not in the NFL for 10+ years if you not coach.

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Back to the redskins, I wouldn't want Ryan, Fisher or Williams as our DC. Ryan and Fisher have egos that would get in the way and screw up the chemistry of the team, and I wouldn't trust Williams. Don't get me wrong, if love to upgrade at D coordinator but just not with these guys.

Btw, speaking of Barry, I hope he blitzes the shit out of Eli right out of the box, even if we get torched a bit. Signal to McAdoo that if he leaves him in, he risks us knocking him out of the playoffs. Repeat until we do or McAdoo pulls him.


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Again there is good, great, and genius. Gibbs was a genius. Tomlin is great. Kubiak is good. If Tomlin was coaching the Broncos I bet they make the playoffs this year. He would have mustered two more wins out of Denver. Which makes him great.

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[QUOTE=calia;1160279]Back to the redskins, I wouldn't want Ryan, Fisher or Williams as our DC. Ryan and Fisher have egos that would get in the way and screw up the chemistry of the team, and I wouldn't trust Williams. Don't get me wrong, if love to upgrade at D coordinator but just not with these guys.

Btw, speaking of Barry, I hope he blitzes the shit out of Eli right out of the box, even if we get torched a bit. Signal to McAdoo that if he leaves him in, he risks us knocking him out of the playoffs. Repeat until we do or McAdoo pulls him.


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Good philosophy but has Eli ever been hurt in his life? Lol. Something tells me that our D isn't going to be the one that finally takes him out.

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[quote=calia;1160279]Back to the redskins, I wouldn't want Ryan, Fisher or Williams as our DC. Ryan and Fisher have egos that would get in the way and screw up the chemistry of the team, and I wouldn't trust Williams. Don't get me wrong, if love to upgrade at D coordinator but just not with these guys.

Btw, speaking of Barry, I hope he blitzes the shit out of Eli right out of the box, even if we get torched a bit. Signal to McAdoo that if he leaves him in, he risks us knocking him out of the playoffs. Repeat until we do or McAdoo pulls him.


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I would only consider the absolute strongest candidates for DC here...Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles( if he is let go). Williams to me isn't in that conversation. If we couldn't get the strongest, then Id probably go with someone internal. But Barry needs to be replaced imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1160280]Again there is good, great, and genius. Gibbs was a genius. Tomlin is great. Kubiak is good. If Tomlin was coaching the Broncos I bet they make the playoffs this year. He would have mustered two more wins out of Denver. Which makes him great.[/quote]

Certainly what Gibbs 1 did will never be done again, winning a SB with three different QB's. And none will sniff the HOF. But he also had an outstanding support system, starting with Cooke, the largest coaching staff, a great DC, Bobby B and Casserly. Some of the drafts that BB had were the best of all time. I think Tomlin has that same kind of support, a real strong DC, (although Dick L is gone) great ownership, strong general manager. Pittsburgh really is one of the best organizations in football. They've had only a few head coaches. They could has fired Cowher through some lean years but stuck with him.

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He was a pretty good special teams coach, RIP.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Former-Panthers-special-teams-coach-dies-from-cancer-50060750]Former Panthers special teams coach dies from cancer[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1160285]I would only consider the absolute strongest candidates for DC here...Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles( if he is let go). Williams to me isn't in that conversation. If we couldn't get the strongest, then Id probably go with someone internal. But Barry needs to be replaced imo.[/quote]

I seriously doubt either of the Ryan's come here. Further, putting aside my personal dislike of the Ryans, their best days are behind them (if Rob HAD any best days). They run a complex scheme that needs buy-in and time. In addition, their "us v. them" attitude is great for a bit but soon enough has the inmates running the asylum. No. Nada. Nyet. They are divisive personalities and I hope we have nothing to do with them. RGIII cured me of whatever need for drama I had.

Bowles, on the other hand, would be great. I hope he gets another shot with the Jets. He's a class guy and deserves a full opportunity. If he is fired, however, I would be on the phone to him in a heartbeat.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000762286/article/jaguars-interview-tom-coughlin-for-potential-position]Jaguars interview Tom Coughlin for potential position - NFL.com[/url]

The Jags have some pieces on defense and I still like Bortles, this would be a good move for both sides imo

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1160294]I seriously doubt either of the Ryan's come here. Further, putting aside my personal dislike of the Ryans, their best days are behind them (if Rob HAD any best days). They run a complex scheme that needs buy-in and time. In addition, their "us v. them" attitude is great for a bit but soon enough has the inmates running the asylum. No. Nada. Nyet. They are divisive personalities and I hope we have nothing to do with them. RGIII cured me of whatever need for drama I had.

Bowles, on the other hand, would be great. I hope he gets another shot with the Jets. He's a class guy and deserves a full opportunity. If he is fired, however, I would be on the phone to him in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Why assume they would both go to the same place? I want no part of Rob Ryan, he is one of those guys who seemingly keeps getting rewarded for mediocrity. Even if you think Rex owes all his success to the talent he had, why assume we aren't capable of getting similar talent? We all know what the priority is this offseason, I don't think McC would waste another offseason settling for average personnel.

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The NFL season goes by way too fast . Always does.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1160347]The NFL season goes by way too fast . Always does.

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True story

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[quote=mooby;1160342]Why assume they would both go to the same place? I want no part of Rob Ryan, he is one of those guys who seemingly keeps getting rewarded for mediocrity. Even if you think Rex owes all his success to the talent he had, why assume we aren't capable of getting similar talent? We all know what the priority is this offseason, I don't think McC would waste another offseason settling for average personnel.[/quote]

I was not suggesting both would go to the same place but, rather, that neither of them, individually, would be headed here.

Again, putting aside my personal dislike for his "style," I am not a fan of the Ryan defense - not unless he significantly stripped it down. At this point, his is not a scheme that is easily implemented. Even if he could achieve the level of success he did with Baltimore or the Jets, it would be a couple years down the road.

While I know we aren't "a player or two away," I also don't think the D needs a total overhaul which is what hiring Rex would mean. Barry doesn't "coordinate," in that he just doesn't seem to put players in places they will succeed and doesn't play to their strengths. I think Ryan may have done that early in is career but now is devoted to his scheme. Ryan's D at this point needs buy-in from the players, dedication to a scheme, and trust in the coordinator. At this point in his career, Ryan has become a caricature of himself and I just don't see him engendering trust from the players.

Also, I just don't see Rex and Gruden working well together. I may be wrong but I get the feeling they would clash and we would have all sorts of drama over it. Rex is just one of those guys who can't help but bring the drama.

So, even with more talented players (BTW - Buffalo was not without talent), and barring my personal dislike for him as a coach, I just don't see him as a good fit for the Skins.