Green Calling Out Griffin as a Leader
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9980973/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-leadership-questioned-darrell-green]Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins has leadership questioned by Darrell Green - ESPN[/url]

DG needs to shut up but everyone has a opinion.

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guess D Green didnt watch last year. oh well, cut RG3 i guess

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Maybe SS can comment, but I wonder how close to the team Green really is at this point.

He seems like an outsider, his comments honestly seem a little baseless to me.

Keim's take
[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/58690/green-questions-redskins-leadership"]Darrell Green questions Redskins' leadership - ESPN[/URL]

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Eh who cares? Just another former skin jealous of Griffin's spotlight

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[quote=mredskins;1041050][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9980973/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-leadership-questioned-darrell-green]Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins has leadership questioned by Darrell Green - ESPN[/url]

DG needs to shut up but everyone has a opinion.[/quote]

They had an entire 10 min segment on this on ESPN.

Immediately after they talked about how great of leader Luck was last night. They never directly compared the two but I thought it was funny how obvious they were trying to paint Luck as this all time great leader and RG3 has a failure.

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[quote=Mattyk;1041053]Maybe SS can comment, but I wonder how close to the team Green really is at this point.

He seems like an outsider, his comments honestly seem a little baseless to me.

Keim's take
[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/58690/green-questions-redskins-leadership"]Darrell Green questions Redskins' leadership - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

I think it's fine, I mean I don't think he's deeply entrenched with the team but he's not ostracized either.

Just a couple of weeks ago, London Fletcher said he thought RG3 was too young to really be considered the leader, and no one batted an eye

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I understand this is a lost season but RG needs to finish strong if he wants poop like this to stop being said.

My fingers are crossed he is not a flash in the pan.

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People hate on the Redskins it's just a fact, Griffin has been nothing but a class act and they find ways to dog him. Why? Because he's a redskin. I guess it's snyder or maybe the name? But the people just like to put the team and its players down

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[quote=SmootSmack;1041057]I think it's fine, I mean I don't think he's deeply entrenched with the team but he's not ostracized either.

Just a couple of weeks ago, London Fletcher said he thought RG3 was too young to really be considered the leader, and no one batted an eye[/quote]

I mean, as baseless as the comments may seem, I would assume these oldheads do know what true leadership is. Fletch IS in the locker room, so I give him a little more credibility.

I'm not saying RG3 doesn't have leadership qualities, but it is food for thought.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1041060]People hate on the Redskins it's just a fact, Griffin has been nothing but a class act and they find ways to dog him. Why? Because he's a redskin. I guess it's snyder or maybe the name? But the people just like to put the team and its players down[/quote]

Well to play devil's advocate, classy doesn't mean they're a good leader.

I'm about as classy as they come but I am absolutely horrible at commanding a team of people.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1041057]I think it's fine, I mean I don't think he's deeply entrenched with the team but he's not ostracized either.

Just a couple of weeks ago, London Fletcher said he thought RG3 was too young to really be considered the leader, and no one batted an eye[/quote]

I guess I was focused more on his comments that Fletcher isn't a leader.

If he wants to question a 2nd year player not being the guy, ok. Becoming a leader doesn't happen overnight.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1041057]I think it's fine, I mean I don't think he's deeply entrenched with the team but he's not ostracized either.

Just a couple of weeks ago, London Fletcher said he thought RG3 was too young to really be considered the leader, and no one batted an eye[/quote]

Fletcher is onto something there, but RG3 is the team's leader anyway because there are few others who are remotely capable of making the impact he does. Fletch is that sage voice but he's so ineffective now I wonder how much they listen to him. Hall's playing well but he's no leader. Orakpo is really well respected but he's been hurt a lot. The rest of the quality players on the team are young guys. Kerrigan, Trent, Alfred and RG3. They're the leaders.

So they're going to lead like young people lead, questionably. People within the locker room probably question them. But they are our core and will grow together into strong leaders.

If we had any depth and didn't have a cap penalty to deal with, then maybe they wouldn't have to be leaders this year.

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Know what I'd like to see, somebody big and strong and good really get in the face of the next guy to commit a stupid personal foul penalty. Like the next D Hall personal foul, Kerrigan comes to him on the sideline and says not on my effing defense, I don't care who you think you are. And then a fight breaks out. Even if it were a distraction from the game and we lose because of it, it would be worth it to start that culture change.

I'd like to see Shanahan set that tone but he doesn't. So I'm left craving for a player to do it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1041067]Fletcher is onto something there, but RG3 is the team's leader anyway because there are few others who are remotely capable of making the impact he does. Fletch is that sage voice but he's so ineffective now I wonder how much they listen to him. Hall's playing well but he's no leader. Orakpo is really well respected but he's been hurt a lot. The rest of the quality players on the team are young guys. [B] Kerrigan, Trent, Alfred and RG3.[/B] They're the leaders.

So they're going to lead like young people lead, questionably. People within the locker room probably question them. But they are our core and will grow together into strong leaders.

If we had any depth and didn't have a cap penalty to deal with, then maybe they wouldn't have to be leaders this year.[/quote]

They need to be the leaders anyway, since they're the face of our team. RG3 didn't exactly have a veteran QB show him the ropes, he was kinda thrown to the wolves.

I don't know what RG3 leadership style is like. I don't feel like he's giving rousing halftime speeches or anything. But I do think he'll be perfectly fine in the coming years.

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[quote=Schneed10;1041068]Know what I'd like to see, somebody big and strong and good really get in the face of the next guy to commit a stupid personal foul penalty. Like the next D Hall personal foul, Kerrigan comes to him on the sideline and says not on my effing defense, I don't care who you think you are. And then a fight breaks out. Even if it were a distraction from the game and we lose because of it, it would be worth it to start that culture change.

I'd like to see Shanahan set that tone but he doesn't. So I'm left craving for a player to do it.[/quote]

So.. You're looking for personal accountability? That seems like it needs to start from the coaches down.

I can't remember the last fiery coach/player the Redskins had. And I don't mean stupidly fiery like D. Hall can be but someone who played/coached the entire game with passion. Like you could look in their face and tell that losing was killing them.

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Winning makes all of this go away. Plain and simple.

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"Leadership is overrated." -- Jeff George in 2001

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[quote=skinsguy;1041072]Winning makes all of this go away. Plain and simple.[/quote]

True. Nobody was questioning Griffin last year.

When it rains it pours.

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[quote=skinsguy;1041072]Winning makes all of this go away. Plain and simple.[/quote]

Yea just look at Cam Newton...

All of a sudden those leadership and immaturity questions vanished once the Panthers started winning.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1041071]So.. You're looking for personal accountability? That seems like it needs to start from the coaches down.

I can't remember the last fiery coach/player the Redskins had. And I don't mean stupidly fiery like D. Hall can be but someone who played/coached the entire game with passion. Like you could look in their face and tell that losing was killing them.[/quote]

Absolutely, the coach is supposed to set that tone. It's my one beef with Shanahan. Excellent X and O guy. Good manager of men. Great eye for offensive talent.

But damn his teams have discipline problems. And that's not on Griffin, not at all. The QB needs to be even keel. He can't get all up in D Hall's face for a personal foul penalty, because the QB position depends upon a clear mind to read defenses and avoid going "on tilt".

Ultimately I want to see somebody bitch slap the next person who gets a personal foul. I don't care if it's a player or a coach (even though it should be a coach). The penalties are KILLING me and I just want somebody to lay down the law.

Gibbs wouldn't have stood for it. Maybe he wouldn't have embarrassed the guy publicly on the sideline. But during the week the offender would have been so guilty about letting him down that he'd never think twice of doing it again.

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[quote=skinsguy;1041072]Winning makes all of this go away. Plain and simple.[/quote]

And defensive depth is the one thing keeping this team from winning.

It's not Griffin's fault at all. The biggest problem is our secondary has no ability to match up with anybody. We have D Hall, who can keep a stud WR in check somewhat. Other than that, they get victimized. Leadership doesn't help there.

Leadership is not the problem. I just want somebody to stand up and say I'm not dealing with these personal fouls anymore.

"Vicariously I live while the whole world dies, much better you than I."

- Maynard James Keenan

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1041061]I mean, as baseless as the comments may seem, I would assume these oldheads do know what true leadership is. Fletch IS in the locker room, so I give him a little more credibility.

I'm not saying RG3 doesn't have leadership qualities, but it is food for thought.[/quote]

You can't say the QB of your team isn't a leader out in public like that. At least you shouldn't

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[quote=SmootSmack;1041081]You can't say the QB of your team isn't a leader out in public like that. At least you shouldn't[/quote]

So you think Fletch threw him under the bus?

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Can we just wins some damn games so everyone shuts the hell up?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1041073]"Leadership is overrated." -- Jeff George in 2001[/quote]

That was indeed a famous quote by Jeff George that made alot of mouths drop at the time, but looking back on that, i think that may have been taken out of context.

Devil's advocate here - What good is leadership if the team still sucks and can't win games? What is RG3 expected to do? I mean honestly. Does he go to Snyder and tell him the coaches suck and there are a bunch of bums on defense?

I agree with others who say winning cures all of this....

Look at the situation right now with the Steelers and Big Ben. A down year and it all goes to hell and the media runs wild with any rumor they can get their hands on. Winning cures all.

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I have to say, I do not like to see Robert called out. Every interview, every action on the field bespeaks a confident man totally devoted to his job and his team. He has not backed away from...Anything the team has asked him to do(that I know of). Youth is not a crime and he will only enhance these attributes as he matures........he is a bright dude.
However, I do think this team has an identity......culture.....dedication problem. Perhaps the calling out thing by DG will get some peoples attention?
This team is sloppy, to often looks unprepared, accepts drive killer catastrophic penalties, has absurd clock management issues, ETC!!! These are not the attributes of a well prepared team and I put that on Mike. There are naturally others but the winning culture begins at home...time to do some of that coaching shit, Mike.......

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/2873/green-wrong-on-rg-iii-fletcher]Darrell Green wrong on RG III, London Fletcher - ESPN[/url]

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DG = my all time favorite.

I don't know how close to the team DG is at this point, but this doesn't shock me. I mean RGIII even said himself late last year that he still needs to prove himself and (paraphrasing) doesn't really consider himself the leader. I don't see how that would have changed to this point after the injury, not participating with the team all offseason, preseason...and getting off to this start.

Fletcher, having obviously lost a step, I am sure he is respected throughout the locker room, but more as an elder statesman type guy than team leader.

Who does that leave? Trent Williams is the only other offensive player I can even think of stepping up...one year removed from suspension for smoking a dooby? On defense - who? DeAngelo Hall, Orakpo, Kerrigan maybe?

Yeah, this team probably does lack leadership. It's not something I'm going to argue given the amount of untimely, idiotic 15 yard penalties this team has committed on O, D and ST, pretty much all year. Not to mention they haven't managed to put together a four quarter stretch of solid football since week 16 of last year.

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Green admitted he's not close to the team and it was speculation on his part.

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Griff will grow into that role. We're still talking about a guy who's in his early 20's. Give him time.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/green-admits-hes-not-familiar-redskins-current-locker-room]Green admits he's not familiar with Redskins' current locker room | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1041119]Green admitted he's not close to the team and it was speculation on his part.[/quote]

Speculation, but probably not too far from reality as well, given the personnel turnover and infusion of young talent in the past 2-3 years.

I don't think it is this team's biggest problem though.

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Green is not remotely close enough to this locker room to make such a statement. Now if Chris Cooley made such a statement, I would give it far more credence.

Griffin could help himself in one way - stop coming across as so self-promoting, for example, the ridiculous ESPN infomercial on his comeback. The off-season became more about Griffin than the team.

Last year the players on this team were saying he's a natural leader... Now that we suck he's not......

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Who cares at this point. Unless there is a 180 degree turn in the direction of this franchise within 2 seasons, RG III won't be resigned. I am not badmouthing RG III, but he is going to ask for more money probably, and the Skins, if they are smart are going to balk. One man can't make a team a winner in the NFL. We have so many holes on this team they might as well rename the team Swiss Cheese. RG doesn't have a line, doesn't have consistent Wrs, and the D other than OLBs quite frankly sucks.

Griffin won't be leaving unless he is injured for good, just relax man and remember that a new coaching staff can do wonders , look at Philly this yr same exact team basically as last yr and they r 6-5 and may win the east

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Everything about the execution of this team on the field is inconsistent, even the play calling with the coaches. To being a contender in this division, doesn't take a whole lot of improvement, but obviously we don't have the horses or the coaching.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1041912]Griffin won't be leaving unless he is injured for good, just relax man and remember that a new coaching staff can do wonders , look at Philly this yr same exact team basically as last yr and they r 6-5 and may win the east[/quote]

I hope he doesn't Okie, I like him a lot, but we have way too many holes to fill. My god, when are we going to get a really decent O line put together for him? Actually get a WR or two that can consistently make good grabs? It is a shame that his talent might be wasted here. I wish they just dismantle the god damn salary cap. It actually has hurt the NFL product as a whole.

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I don't like that Griffin said that it looked like Philly's D knew what was coming. That is basically saying that their coaches outschemed ours. Do recall that Griffin missed an easy throw to a WIDE OPEN Logan Paulson for a huge play on the first drive of the game. Didn't look like Philly's D saw that play coming. As the supposed team leader, he should take a little blame for missing open receivers and throwing the ridiculous INT at the end.