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Looks like Ware will return VS N.O. Hopefully the saints handle business for us and take down dallas.

An this Miami story is just weird..

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24192759/report-dolphins-coaches-asked-incognito-to-toughen-martin-up]Report: Dolphins coaches asked Incognito to toughen Martin up - CBSSports.com[/url]

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I heard that on my way in to work and this could blow up big time for Miami if it proves to be systemic.

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Did you order that code red?

You're GD right I did!

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4-6 weeks now the word on Rodgers' collarbone.

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[quote=FRPLG;1038915]Did you order that code red?

You're GD right I did![/quote]

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/06/richard-sherman-if-i-was-commissioner/]Richard Sherman on how he'd run the NFL if he had Roger Goodell's job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1038957][URL="http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/06/richard-sherman-if-i-was-commissioner/"]Richard Sherman on how he'd run the NFL if he had Roger Goodell's job | The MMQB with Peter King[/URL][/quote]

He's dead on with a lot of his points, especially about Goodell giving up some of his power. I've grown to like Sherman. He's a very intelligent guy who someday is going to be the highest paid corner in the NFL.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1038957][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/06/richard-sherman-if-i-was-commissioner/]Richard Sherman on how he'd run the NFL if he had Roger Goodell's job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url][/quote]

He makes some good points but most of that rant seems like easier-said-than-done stuff.

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yeah i liked the read too, and agree with most of it.

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[URL="http://www.httredskins.com/2013/11/06/video-fred-smoot-stands-by-rg-iii-comments/"]Video: Fred Smoot Stands By RG III Comments | HTTR[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1038957][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/06/richard-sherman-if-i-was-commissioner/]Richard Sherman on how he'd run the NFL if he had Roger Goodell's job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url][/quote]

I would like for a player to talk about the lost art of wrapping up when tackling an opposing player. To me that's the biggest problem with BM and others who lead with their heads when tackling.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1038983]I would like for a player to talk about the lost art of wrapping up when tackling an opposing player. To me that's the biggest problem with BM and others who lead with their heads when tackling.[/quote]

I can clearly remember being taught tackling form in high school. Head up, target zone was the waist to the neck, wrap up and drive through the target.

I don't get it either when guys like BM talk about having to take guys' knees out.

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[quote=Mattyk;1038986]I can clearly remember being taught tackling form in high school. Head up, target zone was the waist to the neck, wrap up and drive through the target.

I don't get it either when guys like BM talk about having to take guys' knees out.[/quote]

Yup. We were taught to "bite the ball," making the ball your first contact area. If you bite the ball, neither the head nor the knees come into play.

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Sapp says that Incognito used the n-word during a game.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/warren-sapp-says-richie-incognito-called-him-n-181618860--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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I'm not defending Incognito specifically because he's a bigot, meat headed shit sack by all accounts, but I kind of see the basics of the situation in Miami like bounty gate in New Orleans. Nothing new in the nfl and let the team go where it may. If the culture is bad it'll be a short regime. Sick of all the damn investigations and drama.

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[quote=Lotus;1038995]Yup. We were taught to "bite the ball," making the ball your first contact area. If you bite the ball, neither the head nor the knees come into play.[/quote]

Going back and watching some of the classic games from the 1980's, you see defensive backs and linebackers wrapping people up and tackling. Very few of them (unless they were Ronnie Lott) could hit a wide receiver and knock him down without having to wrap up.

The excuse is the receivers are so much faster nowadays that the defensive backs don't have enough time to react and wrap up, but why is that receivers evolved and defense backs did not?

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[quote=Lotus;1038996]Sapp says that Incognito used the n-word during a game.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/warren-sapp-says-richie-incognito-called-him-n-181618860--nfl.html"]Y! SPORTS[/URL][/quote]


See , I 'm thinking something else .I was wondering if Martin might be gay and that's what this is about ?
Kerry Collins used the N word trying to make a joke and everyone new it but a few were upset and it took awhile for him to get through it .

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[quote=Lotus;1038996]Sapp says that Incognito used the n-word during a game.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/warren-sapp-says-richie-incognito-called-him-n-181618860--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url][/quote]

Nothing new in the NFL...

[url=http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/08/06/Irvin-Proclaims-self-Guilty-of-Using-N-Word]Michael Irvin: I'm 'Guilty' of Using N-Word[/url]

I wonder why, for once, THAT is not being the focus of the whole story, Riley Cooper says it drunk in a bar and gets ripped to shreds.

Incognito calls a teammate and uses the word while threatening his family...and the whole headline is "Richie is a bully".


This bullying is getting overblown everywhere...online bullying, in schools (and I have kids in school) and in the media. Are we raising kids so weak that they kill themselves over what some coward says on Facebook from their keyboard? Maybe we are and maybe that is why Martin was so "sensitive". Schools have a zero tolerance policy that punishes kids who are just trying to defend themselves as harshly as their attackers. Martin didn't seem to have the will or capacity to just tell Incognito, "that's enough, man". He's a grown man and can't stand up for himself? I do think there were underlying mental issues with him, but it's sad that he worked so hard and finally achieved his dream only to walk away because of a "bully".

When the victim is a 312-pound NFL lineman, I don't think "bullying" is the case, it's more of just harassment.

Back to my original point, why isn't this the predictable media story? Anyone else who uses that word (except for rappers and politicians who hang with them), has their lives ruined for uttering that single word. I wonder if the league, or the team, is downplaying that to avoid the bad press that it will give to the NFL?

It just seems like the NFL is being turned into a voice for political and social issues lately...racism, gays, "get out and play 60 minutes a day!", cancer awareness, now bullying...can't we just let them play football and stop trying to use the league to convey your views on everyone. Heck, they even let Bob Costas ramble on against the 2nd Amendment and the Redskins "racist" name during broadcasts. I flip the channel when it's halftime on Sunday nights now, just let me see football, Bob.



This whole story just seems so strange...the events of it and the coverage.

It does seem like a big leadership problem with the organization. They've recently been home to other headcases like Incognito.

I hope Martin finds a new team, he's a good player. We'll take him for our O-line.

He may need to toughen up if he wants to last in the NFL though. Incognito went WAY overboard with the threats and other antics, but he needs to stand up for himself where ever he goes.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1039013]...
Back to my original point, why isn't this the predictable media story? Anyone else who uses that word (except for rappers and politicians who hang with them), has their lives ruined for uttering that single word. I wonder if the league, or the team, is downplaying that to avoid the bad press that it will give to the NFL?
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It's not the focus of the media story, because it's not the focus of the event, it's one action in a timeline of actions. The bullying is the focus, because it is the overall theme of what took place.

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A guy who commented on the Incognito incident summed up my feelings quite nicely:

"Those of you who think a grown man can't be bullied are ridiculous. Martin grew up in a lifestyle that didn't require him to become a hard nosed angry man. Its not in him to fight, he has other options. Football is what he enjoys. He has a degree from Stanford. He doesn't HAVE to play football and he doesn't have to risk jail time over someone. He handled it like he was raised, walk away and let the system fix it. Some of you need to stop beating your chests and realize not every man is made of STONE."

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/warren-sapp-says-richie-incognito-called-him-n-181618860--nfl.html?vp=1]Y! SPORTS[/url]

[QUOTE]The racial aspect of the saga took a fairly ridiculous turn when the Miami Herald posted a story titled "Richie Incognito considered black in Dolphins locker room." In it, three black Dolphins players are quoted as saying they don't think Incognito is a racist, and the Herald's Armando Salguero wrote this passage:


Well, I've spoken to multiple people today about this and the explanation from all of them is that in the Dolphins locker room, Richie Incognito was considered a black guy. He was accepted by the black players. He was an honorary black man.

And Jonathan Martin, who is bi-racial, was not. Indeed, Martin was considered less black than Incognito.

"Richie is honarary," one player who left the Dolphins this offseason told me today. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."

If you didn't think the Incognito story could get much weirder, it just did.[/QUOTE]

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I think the part in the voice mail where Incognito tells martin he's going $hit in his mouth was taken waaay out of context. :Smoker: nothing to see here move along please:coach:

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That entire Dolphins locker room is borderline retarded.

It really doesn't matter if Incognito is black or white or honorary black or if he used the N word or whatever.

I'm pretty sure he's just an asshole.

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Pretty much D-Rave.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1039041]That entire Dolphins locker room is borderline retarded.

It really doesn't matter if Incognito is black or white or honorary black or if he used the N word or whatever.

I'm pretty sure he's just an asshole.[/quote]

Truer words...and funny as hell too. Good game DRave

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OMG, I just noticed that Miami at Tampa Bay is the Monday Night Game! That game is going to be unwatchable on so many levels.

I can't even imagine what Bob Costas's typically sanctimonious segment will be like - but I can surely guess what the topic will be.

I am definitely going to skip what will surely be a polished turd of a viewing experience for many other people.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1038977][URL="http://www.httredskins.com/2013/11/06/video-fred-smoot-stands-by-rg-iii-comments/"]Video: Fred Smoot Stands By RG III Comments | HTTR[/URL]

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Man it would be great to be a fly on the wall inside a locker room,be great to know a player on the team and have an inside source.I guess the point I'm getting at is I wonder how RG3 is liked by his teammates? Hearing smoot talk about how he doesnt like how RG3 interacts with the team as opposed to Wilson and Luck makes me wonder if Griffins teammates actually like him or do they think he's a diva,brat,selfish or whatever you want to call him

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1039036]A guy who commented on the Incognito incident summed up my feelings quite nicely:

"Those of you who think a grown man can't be bullied are ridiculous. Martin grew up in a lifestyle that didn't require him to become a hard nosed angry man. Its not in him to fight, he has other options. Football is what he enjoys. He has a degree from Stanford. He doesn't HAVE to play football and he doesn't have to risk jail time over someone. He handled it like he was raised, walk away and let the system fix it. Some of you need to stop beating your chests and realize not every man is made of STONE."[/quote]
^^^^^^
Incognito deserves a good old fashioned Ass Kickin'....BUT as the author points out, he should not have to. The racial stuff is way over the line and maybe he deserves 2 Ass Beatin's. I'd have no problem with it.....
Miami....organization is a mess.
AND now they have lost 40% of their already porous line....Wow

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1039048]OMG, I just noticed that Miami at Tampa Bay is the Monday Night Game! That game is going to be unwatchable on so many levels.

I can't even imagine what Bob Costas's typically sanctimonious segment will be like - but I can surely guess what the topic will be.

I am definitely going to skip what will surely be a polished turd of a viewing experience for many other people.[/quote]

It will be so bad it's good, but what does Costas have to do with it

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[quote=SmootSmack;1039056]It will be so bad it's good, but what does Costas have to do with it[/quote]

Looks like he confused Monday night with Sunday night. No biggie.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1039049]Man it would be great to be a fly on the wall inside a locker room,be great to know a player on the team and have an inside source.I guess the point I'm getting at is I wonder how RG3 is liked by his teammates? Hearing smoot talk about how he doesnt like how RG3 interacts with the team as opposed to Wilson and Luck makes me wonder if Griffins teammates actually like him or do they think he's a diva,brat,selfish or whatever you want to call him[/quote]

You definitely see RG have rapport with guys like Trent, Peter Boy, Young and Alfmo. But even if he's seen as a diva with all the commercials and promos, kid is one tough SOB and that should garner instant respect from the whole roster IMO. That play where he launched himself for the 1st down last Sunday was brilliant.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1039057]Looks like he confused Monday night with Sunday night. No biggie.[/quote]

Yes, I did.

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[URL="http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/81380/the-miami-dolphins-and-everything-that-will-never-make-sense"]Very insightful article on the Dolphins' situation[/URL]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1039041]That entire Dolphins locker room is borderline retarded.

It really doesn't matter if Incognito is black or white or honorary black or if he used the N word or whatever.

I'm pretty sure he's just an asshole.[/quote]

BINGO!

/the end

So wait is incognito like saying the n word as racist or is he trying to be black?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/06/sources-ireland-suggested-that-martin-confront-incognito-physically/]Sources: Ireland suggested that Martin confront Incognito physically | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Great advice from the GM. So lets be clear, the FO, coaching staff were fully aware.

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Just gets crazier and crazier

[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/07/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-dolphins-lydon-murtha/]Richie Incognito never bullied Jonathan Martin, Lydon Murtha says | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

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I don't know what to believe about the situation down in Miami anymore, but I've come full circle on one thing; If either of the two players are likely to return to the NFL someday, it'll probably be Richie Incognito. I think Martin's done in the NFL, no matter what.

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[quote=12thMan;1039156]I don't know what to believe about the situation down in Miami anymore, but I've come full circle on one thing; If either of the two players are likely to return to the NFL someday, it'll probably be Richie Incognito. I think Martin's done in the NFL, no matter what.[/quote]

Nice guys always finish last.

But I could see both of them scooping up a job somewhere else, just on the incident by itself. I mean, hell, if Manti Te'o can get a job after his fake girlfriend fiasco, I think anything is possible.

I don't know how good they are as players. If Martin is only a second or third string player coupled with this bullying incident, then yeah, I'd say he's probably done.