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For my studs:

1. Alfred Morris
2. Tanard Jax
3. RG3
4. Fred Davis
5. Trent Williams, Polumbus.
6. Chris Wilson
7. Coefield
8. Rex


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1. GRIFFIN played very well, unfortunately he couldn't connect on a deep pass but it will come. He has all the tools to become an elite QB.
Andrew Luck is the real deal as well, he can move way better than ppl think and his accuracy is Manning like.

2. Trent Williams absolutely dominated the colts, both pass and run blocking. He's a top ten LT and continues to show it.

3. Defense played very well especially front 7. I think the starters had 3 sacks which is great. Wilson and hall played well as did Jackson.

4. Morris is the new Starter no doubt, the guy isn't a star but he's Better than the rest of our backs. Roy helu could be but he can't stay healthy.

5. We r deep at WR, a position we were so weak at a year ago. GARCON, Moss, Hank, Morgan, Briscoe. Not to mention our stacked TEs. Very excited

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Morris was an animal all night.

RG3 played great. Completion percentage looks off, but 2 of those were drops and 3 were deep shots.

The Defense as a whole was terrific, no blatant mistakes.

Maurice Hurt and Trent Williams looked unbeatable. Monty wasn't getting pushed back every play like he had been against Chicago.

Briscoe.. Are you kidding me? I forget that this guy is only 22 and has a track record superior to anyone not named Moss/Garcon on this team (Anthony Armstrong is irrelevant to me).

Aldrick Robinson didn't get many snaps? I wonder if he's the guy they want to hide for the practice squad.. Although he's already shown himself well.

Ryan Kerrigan is an absolute animal. Look folks, he is better than Brian Orakpo. Get used to it.

How about Niles Paul returning kicks??? He's a TE?? Lol geez I really don't remember having so much speed on our team than we do now.

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[quote=IrMitchell;933779]Morris was an animal all night.

RG3 played great. Completion percentage looks off, but 2 of those were drops and 3 were deep shots.

The Defense as a whole was terrific, no blatant mistakes.

Maurice Hurt and Trent Williams looked unbeatable. Monty wasn't getting pushed back every play like he had been against Chicago.

Briscoe.. Are you kidding me? I forget that this guy is only 22 and has a track record superior to anyone not named Moss/Garcon on this team (Anthony Armstrong is irrelevant to me).

Aldrick Robinson didn't get many snaps? I wonder if he's the guy they want to hide for the practice squad.. Although he's already shown himself well.

Ryan Kerrigan is an absolute animal. Look folks, he is better than Brian Orakpo. Get used to it.[/quote]

Kerrigan looks like he could take a big step this year. He Just wreaks havoc whenever he's in the game.

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[quote=44Deezel;933784]Kerrigan looks like he could take a big step this year. He Just wreaks havoc whenever he's in the game.[/quote]
It's true, he may always have the 2nd highest sack totals on the team, but he's complete and never quits.

I called him Clay Matthews on this forum before the draft and I stand by it.

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it was a good showing against a BAD team. lots to like, but i still want to see it translate to the saints game ;)

Clay has fallen off a bit in GB. And as far as u guys saying the colts are a bad team? I'm telling u they really aren't as bad as u think. Watch this season

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[quote=skinsfaninok;933789]Clay has fallen off a bit in GB. And as far as u guys saying the colts are a bad team? I'm telling u they really aren't as bad as u think. Watch this season[/quote]
No he hasn't.

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I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.

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Clay definitely isn't what he was when they went to the super bowl, but that in part is because Cullen Jenkins left so thats less other teams have to worry about in terms of blocking. And yes the Colts will be better than teams think, but still not the best team in that division.

[QUOTE=That Guy;933788]it was a good showing against a BAD team. lots to like, but i still want to see it translate to the saints game ;)[/QUOTE]

c'mon man don't be That Guy!

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[quote=GTripp0012;933791] [B]But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.[/B][/quote]
Is this real life?

Last year we had Anthony Armstrong as our #2 wide receiver. He won't make this years team.

Last year we had John Beck for 3 1/2 games. He won't/shouldn't start another game int he NFL.

Last year we had Willie Smith starting a handful of games at LT. He won't make the team this year.

Did I mention Rex Grossman isn't starting?

I'm usually a pessimist compared to most people on here, but this statement is ridiculous.

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[quote=GTripp0012;933791]I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.[/quote]

I dont expect much improved play along the Oline outside of Trent, but I think at TE and especially at WR play has/will continue to be stronger. Because of injuries RB I think you havent seen a step forward, but at least Alfred Morris has sustain an above average attack on the ground. That is, if Kyle continues to run the ball, if he doesnt then like several times last year, you will see no improvement. I certainly think its been pretty vanilla with the playcalling thus far. We certainly havent seen much.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;933792]Clay definitely isn't what he was when they went to the super bowl, but that in part is because Cullen Jenkins left so thats less other teams have to worry about in terms of blocking. And yes the Colts will be better than teams think, but still not the best team in that division.[/quote]
No, he's an animal. 3 INTs and 9 pass defenses. I remember reading an article last year about how this could have been his best year yet.. Sacks don't tell the whole story (Orakpo).

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[quote=GTripp0012;933791]I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.[/quote]

Haven't been around the forums as much as I have in the past, but I am glad I can come on here and get a good laugh from Gtripp's insight of our teams situation still.

Good laugh..

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[quote=GTripp0012;933791]I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.[/quote]

Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?

[QUOTE=IrMitchell;933790]No he hasn't.[/QUOTE]

Look at his numbers
He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not even close to DWare, Suggs or Jared Allen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;933802]Look at his numbers
He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not even close to DWare, Suggs or Jared Allen.[/quote]
Yep that's fair, but if I can get Matthews for Orakpo or Kerrigan, I don't hesitate.

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[quote=Chico23231;933801]Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?[/quote]
I think LeRibeus has been awful.

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[quote=IrMitchell;933795]Is this real life?

Last year we had Anthony Armstrong as our #2 wide receiver. He won't make this years team.

Last year we had John Beck for 3 1/2 games. He won't/shouldn't start another game int he NFL.

Last year we had Willie Smith starting a handful of games at LT. He won't make the team this year.

Did I mention Rex Grossman isn't starting?

I'm usually a pessimist compared to most people on here, but this statement is ridiculous.[/quote]I thought Jabar Gaffney and Santana Moss were our top two targets last year.

But to answer your point about the receivers, I think there's enough young talent on the roster to consider the position improved, but it's hard not to see that group taking a step back in the short term. The Redskins are financially invested in getting a big improvement from Garcon, which is probably going to require a lot of patience. Hankerson is close to breaking out, but I'm thinking he's not there just yet. And I like Aldrick Robinson and Anthony Armstrong, but it's pretty clear already that when the Redskins need a big conversion, Morgan, Garcon, and Moss will be on the field.

And while those guys should increase the team's YPA by breaking tackles and making plays after the catch, I don't know if they will fix the problems that the team has had on third downs the last two years.

Though if Trent Williams continues to cave in the right side of the defense on every play, I'm not sure we'll ever get to third down.

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[quote=Chico23231;933801]Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?[/quote]I would start Hankerson and Moss and receiver, with Moss at the Z. Those are our two best receivers right now. If we still had Gaffney, then Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney would be our top three.

I'm still not convinced Josh Morgan is 100% back though. I think he could fall in nicely as an offensive contributor as he gets healthier.

I think it is best if Cousins doesn't see the field this year. I think very highly of him long term. You see Russell Wilson torching the Chiefs? Well: #1, I didn't think that was a fluke, and #2 I'd much rather have Cousins long term. I also think RG3 is getting saddled with a lot of unfair expectations that Cousins isn't. I think either Griffin or Cousins could theoretically be a winning quarterback with the 2014 Washington Redskins, but Griffin is going to have to handle the pressure of winning with a not-that-great 2012 Redskins team.

I haven't really taken time to grade LeRibeus on his week to week development in the preseason so I have no specific comment on him. Gettis I don't think projects as a starter long term, but I think he's as good as Maurice Hurt already, and he's got more room to improve.

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[quote=IrMitchell;933803]Yep that's fair, but if I can get Matthews for Orakpo or Kerrigan, I don't hesitate.[/quote]

Nobody is in Ware's category. He is going to go down as the best 3-4 OLB in history when its all said and done. Fastest player to 100 sacks ever (he still needs half a sack). But Clay plays a different position then suggs, he might not put up as many sacks because Suggs comes from the blindside while Clay plays strong side. So Clay is doing much more pass coverage on Tight ends. Clays pass coverage is as good as it gets for a OLB in the nfl

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What do you guys think of RG3 through the preseason? About expected? A little better than?

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[quote=GTripp0012;933811]What do you guys think of RG3 through the preseason? About expected? A little better than?[/quote]

a lil better. Accuracy is better than expected. I think the longer throws will come with time.

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[quote=GTripp0012;933809]I would start Hankerson and Moss and receiver, with Moss at the Z. Those are our two best receivers right now. If we still had Gaffney, then Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney would be our top three.

I'm still not convinced Josh Morgan is 100% back though. I think he could fall in nicely as an offensive contributor as he gets healthier.[/quote]What about Pierre Garcon?

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[quote=HailGreen28;933813]What about Pierre Garcon?[/quote]I feel like Hankerson is closer to breaking out than Garcon. Garcon is probably going to lead the 2012 Redskins in highlight reel plays made (he's a much better bet to take one to the house than Moss is), but I feel like over a full season of playing every down, he's likely to be exposed.

On the current roster, I'd say Hankerson, then Moss, then probably Garcon is third best. I think I'm more excited about getting Josh Morgan healthy than Garcon, but right now (early in the season), Garcon needs to be getting those reps.

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[quote=Chico23231;933812]a lil better. Accuracy is better than expected. I think the longer throws will come with time.[/quote]I'd agree. I think he's been mostly about expected, and at times, a little bit better.

In other words, I'd say he's looked like a top two pick in any given draft.

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[quote=GTripp0012;933811]What do you guys think of RG3 through the preseason? About expected? A little better than?[/quote]

Griffin III played wonderfully in preseason. A 103.0 QB rating ain't bad.

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[quote=GTripp0012;933816]I feel like Hankerson is closer to breaking out than Garcon. Garcon is probably going to lead the 2012 Redskins in highlight reel plays made (he's a much better bet to take one to the house than Moss is), but I feel like over a full season of playing every down, he's likely to be exposed.

On the current roster, [B]I'd say Hankerson, then Moss, then probably Garcon is third best.[/B] I think I'm more excited about getting Josh Morgan healthy than Garcon, but right now (early in the season), Garcon needs to be getting those reps.[/quote]
:doh:

Garcon will catch 80 passes this year, year our number 1

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No but seriously, Garcon had six targets from RG3 YESTERDAY.
Moss has had about 2 all pre-season.

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It really is hard to gauge how well our guys played due to the lack of talent they were playing against. The Colts were a #1 draft pick team for a reason and much of the talent that was on it has vacated this off-season. Their defense is atrocious and hasn't been able to stop the run in over a decade.

I would prefer to measure their play on the Buffalo and Chicago games as compared to this. I would like to see RGIII connect on a few long passes though.

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After a game from Hankerson like we saw last night, it should cause second thoughts about him starting and to look naturally at Josh Morgan at his spot. Morgan has been very solid catching the ball, but I think you still start Hankerson. Hank could be on the verge, he still isnt playing "as fast" as I think he can.

Starting WRs should be Garcon and Hank, Moss in the slot. I think 3rd down packages for Morgan should get him reps, I like redzone packages for Brescoe who made the team last night. Brescoe has been a standout.

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[quote=Chico23231;933828]After a game from Hankerson like we saw last night, it should cause second thoughts about him starting and to look naturally at Josh Morgan at his spot. Morgan has been very solid catching the ball, but I think you still start Hankerson. Hank could be on the verge, he still isnt playing "as fast" as I think he can.

Starting WRs should be Garcon and Hank, Moss in the slot. I think 3rd down packages for Morgan should get him reps, I like redzone packages for Brescoe who made the team last night. Brescoe has been a standout.[/quote]
It all evens out by the end of the year. If Hank isn't getting targets/catches, Morgan will.

Also, RG3 hasn't really been throwing the ball like he will in the regular season. His numbers will double and so will his receivers.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;933822]Griffin III played wonderfully in preseason. A 103.0 QB rating ain't bad.[/quote]Man, I'd give my left arm.... OK someone else's left arm for that QBR rating this regular season.

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PG is our best WR on the team at the moment. There is a reason why RG3 keeps throwing his direction. I believe he's been targeted the most in preseason when the starters are out there.

I do think that Shanny's are babying RG3 at the moment and that could be because it's preseason and he's trying to evaluate others but besides the 3 long throws yesterday, there hasn't been a lot of long passes. RG3 threw 17 passes yesterday and didn't even throw for 100 yards.

I believe the same can be said about the other games as well. Game 2 he threw 14 for 50 yards?

A lot of underneath and short throws..

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It was nice to see Fred Davis out there getting involved last night. He's been quiet so far, good to see him and RG3 come together on plays.

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Offense is still only running specific plays, very limited, unlike the colts.

Tankard Jackson gets to the ball, pretty nice to see. Are his personal issues over? Secondary has two solid players, everyone else is bad.

The rookie OL guys look like rookies. The OL is one injury away from being Cowboys/Jets bad.

Tough decisions at receiver, what do they do with Briscoe? Hankseron probably get yelled at after game. Do we have good receivers or just a lot of 2s and 3s?

I think they are better then last year, IMO one or two more wins.

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[quote=Bucket;933832]PG is our best WR on the team at the moment. There is a reason why RG3 keeps throwing his direction. I believe he's been targeted the most in preseason when the starters are out there.

I do think that Shanny's are babying RG3 at the moment and that could be because it's preseason and he's trying to evaluate others but besides the 3 long throws yesterday, there hasn't been a lot of long passes. RG3 threw 17 passes yesterday and didn't even throw for 100 yards.

I believe the same can be said about the other games as well. Game 2 he threw 14 for 50 yards?

A lot of underneath and short throws..[/quote]
There's no doubt he's been babying him.

Jay Cutler had DOUBLE the amount of passing attempts as a rookie in pre-season.