Fantasy Football 2012 Thread
 

Its that time folks. People across the country are starting to get their rankings and draft strategies together and are tuning into camps not only to follow their favorite team, but to follow camp battles at fantasy positions.

As I start to look around at the fantasy landscape, I easily find the biggest fantasy questions at one position, RB. This year more than in the past that I can remember has a ton of effing issues. As the league becomes more passing dominant, I still need to fill 2 starting RBs position on all five of my teams.

First, take a look at the solid RBs coming back from injuries: Fred Jackson, Jamal Charles, AP, Demarco Murry, Matt Forte, Rashard Mendenhall, McFadden, etc. Other RBs with major offseason surgery: Beanie Wells (again) and Mark Ingram. Another facing possible suspension: Marshawn Lynch.

Secondly, the trend continues to RBs to split carries or go to committee (Skins). Michael Turner and Steven Jackson are some guys who will get less touches this year as they get up in age. Still got alot of unproven guys who will get their chance to shine: Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, Isaac Redman...And others still get the full time gig and need to prove they can handle it: Ryan Matthews and Ahmad Bradshaw.

All these issues make the RB more valuable at draft time and getting it right will lead you to a championship. Whats your strategy for the RB position?

Who are your sleepers this year? Mines: Evan Royster, Isaiah Pead, CJ Spiller at RB WR: Kendal Wright, Sidney Rice QB:Matt Ryan

Who are your busts this year? Who your targeting in your draft?

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I'm debating in a keeper league to keep Adrian Peterson or P. Rivers.

Its killing me even though I'll probably wait till camps over to decide.

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I'm definitely targeting Trent Richardson and Donald Brown. I think Brown will do a lot better this year w a decent QB back there and Pagano as head coach. Mike Wallace and the Gronk killed it for me last year but I don't expect to get either of them for the steal I did last year/

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I'm in a keeper league where we keep two guys and I will be keeping Ryan Mathews and Marshawn Lynch. I drafted them in the middle to late rounds last year and they came on strong at the end. Here is my question to you guys.... I have the 3rd pick and Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Calvin Johnson are non-keepers in my league (you can't keep last years 1st rounds and they were all first rounders) which guy would you pick, knowing my RB situation?

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[quote=scowan;926689]I'm in a keeper league where we keep two guys and I will be keeping Ryan Mathews and Marshawn Lynch. I drafted them in the middle to late rounds last year and they came on strong at the end. Here is my question to you guys.... I have the 3rd pick and Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Calvin Johnson are non-keepers in my league (you can't keep last years 1st rounds and they were all first rounders) which guy would you pick, knowing my RB situation?[/quote]

You cant go wrong with either of those choices, but Id value WR over the QB position (unless you can start 2 QB in your league). Calvin Johnson would be my selection without thinking twice.

JG, Donald Brown...really? I dont know if he starts day 1 there.

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I'm in a keeper league (we get to keep two players) and I am going to have a bit of a hard time selecting my two keepers, because last season I had:

Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford
LeSean McCoy
Andre Johnson

I am thinking that McCoy is a must keeper...but I really don't know which other player to keep.

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[quote=Ruhskins;926703]I'm in a keeper league (we get to keep two players) and I am going to have a bit of a hard time selecting my two keepers, because last season I had:

Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford
LeSean McCoy
Andre Johnson

I am thinking that McCoy is a must keeper...but I really don't know which other player to keep.[/quote]

McCoy, Brees. Im always skeptical of guys who have breakout years (Stafford)...can they do it again, or is that a peak? Johnson is getting older and injuries have been nagging lately, pass.

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[quote=Chico23231;926692]You cant go wrong with either of those choices, but Id value WR over the QB position (unless you can start 2 QB in your league). Calvin Johnson would be my selection without thinking twice.

JG, Donald Brown...really? I dont know if he starts day 1 there.[/quote]

Chico, actually Calvin Johnson was on my team last year. I was in a ten team league and picked 10th and he was my first round selection. We don't allow keeping 1st rounders from the year before so I had to throw him back in. If he falls to me, which he might, I'll probably be in a situation to have to wait on QBs (we only start 1) as Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Stafford will all be gone. I am really wondering about Peyton Manning and how high or low he might go. He could be a real steal in the middle to low rounds, if I get a quality backup as well.

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scowan

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I have a fantasy keeper question for all you Fantasy Football guys. I had Ryan Mathews last year and he can be a 7th round keeper for me this year in a 10 team standard non-ppr format. We start 2 RB, 2WR and 1 flex. Is he worth keeping for a 7th round pick? or is he done this year and too fragile.... discuss. One other option is to keep Ben Tate in the 13 round of a 15 round draft, and then pray Arian Foster, who is on another fantasy, team gets hurt.

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I put the bottle down this year. First time since I was 12 I will not be playing any Fantasy Football. That is 27 year stretch of playing FF.

I can remember when I was teenager we had a 5 Star Notebook for each year that we kept the stats and teams in. You handed in your lineup Friday afternoon before school ended then Tuesday the Commish would use the USA Today newspaper and calculate everyone's score. You really had to love it back in those days; lots of work involved without the web.

Any ways good luck to everyone this year! Maybe I will be back next year.

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[quote=mredskins;930464]I put the bottle down this year. First time since I was 12 I will not be playing any Fantasy Football. That is 27 year stretch of playing FF.

I can remember when I was teenager we had a 5 Star Notebook for each year that we kept the stats and teams in. You handed in your lineup Friday afternoon before school ended then Tuesday the Commish would use the USA Today newspaper and calculate everyone's score. You really had to love it back in those days; lots of work involved without the web.

Any ways good luck to everyone this year! Maybe I will be back next year.[/quote]

I think I started playing in the mid 90s. Back then everything was over the phone. I remember being in a league where trades and free agent pick-ups were like a $1 each. I wasted so much money it wasn't even funny.

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[quote=scowan;930462]I have a fantasy keeper question for all you Fantasy Football guys. I had Ryan Mathews last year and he can be a 7th round keeper for me this year in a 10 team standard non-ppr format. We start 2 RB, 2WR and 1 flex. Is he worth keeping for a 7th round pick? or is he done this year and too fragile.... discuss. One other option is to keep Ben Tate in the 13 round of a 15 round draft, and then pray Arian Foster, who is on another fantasy, team gets hurt.[/quote]

7th round keeper? hell yeah. he is fragile but the value is for 7th round is too good to pass up imo. take him.

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My team;
QBs: Matt Ryan (Keeper), Cutler
RBs: Ray Rice (Keeper), Doug Martin, Royster, Brandon Jacobs, Ronnie Hillman, David Wilson
WR: Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Kendall Wright, Leonard Hankerson
TE: Martellus Bennett, Jacob Tamme
Defense: San Fran
K: Matt Bryant


My question is I have San frans defense week 1 and they play Green Bay week 1. Detroits defense is still available. Should I pick them up and drop Jacobs? Hillman? Royster?

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[quote=Mattyk;930466]I think I started playing in the mid 90s. Back then everything was over the phone. I remember being in a league where trades and free agent pick-ups were like a $1 each. I wasted so much money it wasn't even funny.[/quote]

That is right too! LOL! yo ureally need to have a commish you trusted back then; it was way to easy to cheat.

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[quote=Chico23231;930467]7th round keeper? hell yeah. he is fragile but the value is for 7th round is too good to pass up imo. take him.[/quote]

Chico, even if he doesn't play the first couple of weeks, I don't see another RB on the Chargers somehow taking away his starting role once he is healthy. Fantasy Football is a marathon not a sprint, so at round 7 he is still a good value I think.

I just wanted a reality check from someone. Now I'm reading that Mathews wasn't even in a sling yesterday at practice, so maybe his "break" was actually a fracture and not as bad as a clean break would make it out. I'm just concerned because I've read that clavicles can take 12 weeks to heal, how do these guys come up with 4-6 weeks?

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[quote=scowan;930477]Chico, even if he doesn't play the first couple of weeks, I don't see another RB on the Chargers somehow taking away his starting role once he is healthy. Fantasy Football is a marathon not a sprint, so at round 7 he is still a good value I think.

I just wanted a reality check from someone. Now I'm reading that Mathews wasn't even in a sling yesterday at practice, so maybe his "break" was actually a fracture and not as bad as a clean break would make it out. I'm just concerned because I've read that clavicles can take 12 weeks to heal, how do these guys come up with 4-6 weeks?[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/ryan-mathews-thinks-hel-be-ready-for-the-opener/]Ryan Mathews thinks he’ll be ready for the opener | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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QB: Romo
RBs: McFadden, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller, Rashard Jenning
WRs: Jordy Nelson, Victor Cruz, Vincent Jackson, Kendall Wright, Santana Moss
TE: Gronkowski, Jared Cook
DEF: 49ers
K: Gotkowski

Draft position 11th in a 12 team draft
don't kill me on Romo I took him in the 5th round

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[quote=30gut;930485]QB: Romo
RBs: McFadden, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller, Rashard Jenning
WRs: Jordy Nelson, Victor Cruz, Vincent Jackson, Kendall Wright, Santana Moss
TE: Gronkowski, Jared Cook
DEF: 49ers
K: Gotkowski

Draft position 11th in a 12 team draft
don't kill me on Romo I took him in the 5th round[/quote]

You have the needed depth at RB cause McFadden first round is a hell of a gamble. Cook is a nice sleeper.

I always like drafting at the end of the round

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How do most of your leagues do scoring? This year I dropped TDs to 4 points because I was getting annoyed at TD vultures. I added bonuses for topping 100, 150 and 200 yards for RB/WR and for throwing certain numbers for QBs as well. This way you get rewarded for great performances versus people like Jacobs who used to have 5 yards and 3 TDs.

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td vultures?

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what would you guys do? i'm in a 4 player keeper league and rashard mendenhall has been one of my keepers the past few years. he might not play this year. should i keep him and waste a roster spot? or drop him and keep one of these dudes...kevin smith blount or antonio brown.

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[quote=scowan;930477]Chico, even if he doesn't play the first couple of weeks, I don't see another RB on the Chargers somehow taking away his starting role once he is healthy. Fantasy Football is a marathon not a sprint, so at round 7 he is still a good value I think.

I just wanted a reality check from someone. Now I'm reading that Mathews wasn't even in a sling yesterday at practice, so maybe his "break" was actually a fracture and not as bad as a clean break would make it out. I'm just concerned because I've read that clavicles can take 12 weeks to heal, how do these guys come up with 4-6 weeks?[/quote]

mathews is soooo damn frustrating. i drafted him as a rookie and traded him cause he's always hurt and tolbert kept taking the goaline carries. now the job's his and he gets hurt again!!!!!!

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[quote=scowan;926689]I'm in a keeper league where we keep two guys and I will be keeping Ryan Mathews and Marshawn Lynch. I drafted them in the middle to late rounds last year and they came on strong at the end. Here is my question to you guys.... I have the 3rd pick and Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Calvin Johnson are non-keepers in my league (you can't keep last years 1st rounds and they were all first rounders) which guy would you pick, knowing my RB situation?[/quote]

I'm biased here but you can't go wrong w/ Brady as I've now kept him in my league for 10 years. One thing I like about NE is they play their starters til week 16. Not only that but no matter what the score is, they keep running their offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;930594]what would you guys do? i'm in a 4 player keeper league and rashard mendenhall has been one of my keepers the past few years. he might not play this year. should i keep him and waste a roster spot? or drop him and keep one of these dudes...kevin smith blount or antonio brown.[/quote]

Keep Antonio Brown, drop Mendenhall, he's done.

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[quote=los panda;930564]td vultures?[/quote]

no yardage, medium to high td counts at year end. Alstott, Kuhn, etc.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;930494]How do most of your leagues do scoring? This year I dropped TDs to 4 points because I was getting annoyed at TD vultures. I added bonuses for topping 100, 150 and 200 yards for RB/WR and for throwing certain numbers for QBs as well. This way you get rewarded for great performances versus people like Jacobs who used to have 5 yards and 3 TDs.[/quote]

I wouldnt have changed it, different lil different strategy keeps it fresh. TD to 3 or 4 point only for QBs when throwing the ball. Every person who scores should get 6 imo.

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[quote=los panda;930564]td vultures?[/quote]

Cooley! :headbange

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We dropped our TD passing points to 4 instead of 6 a few years ago, to lessen the impact of the stud QBs, but every other TD is 6 points. But I'm finding that 4 points for passing TDs is more common than being the exception anymore.

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Im thinking about moving the metrics of our pay league. Extra point: 5 points, field goals over 40 yards: 10 point, under 40 yards: 7 points

Its time Rob Bironas is taken first overall in a fantasy draft...where stud Kickers rule the league

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[quote=Chico23231;930657]Im thinking about moving the metrics of our pay league. Extra point: 5 points, field goals over 40 yards: 10 point, under 40 yards: 7 points

Its time Rob Bironas is taken first overall in a fantasy draft...where stud Kickers rule the league[/quote]

LOL Chico, kicker is my last pick every year, because there is a high probability that I will be dropping him anyway for another kicker by Week 2. Kickers=lottery ticket, a total crap shoot. Basically find a team that can move the ball, BUT not score TDs and you have found a team with your kicker. Many FGs.

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I laugh to myself anytime a kicker is taken before the last round. Thats why things have to change.

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In a 15 round draft, which is what I'm in every year, my kicker is selected in round 15. Now Defense might be round 12 or 13, but even Defenses are late for me, because in a 10 team league, that I'm in, no one keeps a backup D, so there are 22 Defenses out there that you can claim off the waiver wire ever week to play matchups. All that being said, somehow I ended up picking up the 49ers D at somepoint last season and I kept them until the end. But I don't think I drafted them, they were a waiver wire claim.

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[quote=scowan;930660]LOL Chico, kicker is my last pick every year, because there is a high probability that I will be dropping him anyway for another kicker by Week 2. Kickers=lottery ticket, a total crap shoot. Basically find a team that can move the ball, BUT not score TDs and you have found a team with your kicker. Many FGs.[/quote]

True for the most part but I pick Sebastien in a late round over say Hankerson or some other reach player. Every potential starter on your team is a priority.

Plus why jeopardize your waiver position every week playing musical chairs with your kicker? Not to mention if you have a transaction fee as well.

DST and Kicker are always over looked and that is where ground can be made up if you draft intelligently. Especially DST.

I have always used a VBD system for calculating my players before the draft. It is a no joke system that literally takes several hours to forecast out. I have a excel sheet from 2011 if anyone wants to see it; I can email it to Matty; I don't know how to post a excel workbook on here.

It is a real eye opening experiencing that shows you exactly what a guy is worth to you in your league.

How the system works:

[B][I]How does VBD work? It's all about establishing that "baseline" player. Calculating the difference between each player's absolute fantasy point total and the point total of a baseline player at the same position gives us a relative number, which can then be compared across positions. Logically, this allows us to look at past-year performances, determining which positions tended to justify higher draft slots. After all, if we only judged by absolute point totals, we'd all be drafting quarterbacks in the first round, since for example in 2011, eight of the top 10 highest raw fantasy point totals were scored by QBs.[/I][/B]
[B][I]Intelligent folks have different ways of thinking about how to determine baselines for each position. Some like to think of baseline as "replacement-level," as we sometimes do in baseball, and in a 10-team league, for example, that leads us to the No. 11 QB as our baseline (since the top 10 would presumably start for each of the 10 fantasy squads). Frank DuPont (who wrote [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Approach-Decision-ebook/dp/B007SBHUHA/"]this e-book[/ame]) figures baseline players by adding up the total number of man-games your fantasy league requires to fill out a full season at each position, then calculating the average number of players at each position it usually takes to produce that many man-games. FootballGuys prefers a "Top 100" methodology, whereby we establish how many players at each position tend to get drafted in the overall top 100 of your draft, and use that number as our baseline for each position. And there are several other approaches, often created by smart fantasy owners who simply tinker with stats inside their own leagues.[/I][/B]
[B][I]Personally, I tend toward the "10 Round" theory (which, to be fair, is simply an offshoot of the "Top 100" methodology): I look at the number of players at each position that typically gets drafted in the first 10 rounds of any league's draft, and however many QBs that is, that's my baseline QB. However many RBs that is, that's my baseline RB. And so on. So if you're in a 10-team league, you'd look at the top 100 players drafted. If you're in a 12-teamer, you'd look at the top 120. Why do I feel 10 rounds works well? To some extent, it's simply trial and error (me Excel pretty good). But philosophically, for me 10 rounds is the point where fantasy starting lineups are set, the top rookies and hyped sleepers we hope could work their way into being fantasy starters have been drafted, and we're now looking for backup (or "replacement") type players. Hey, I said it's kludgy, right?[/I][/B]
[B][I]The truth is, though, that any infighting about establishing the best baseline methodology feels a bit like a Talmudic inquisition, where the principals spend time parsing semicolons. I've run most conceptions of VBD baselines for multiple years' worth of data, and the ranks that result usually look quite similar. No matter how you do your baseline, there's room for you under my big VBD tent, because our results are going to bear far more than a passing resemblance to one another.[/I][/B]

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[quote=mredskins;930679]True for the most part but I pick Sebastien in a late round over say Hankerson or some other reach player. Every potential starter on your team is a priority.

Plus why jeopardize your waiver position every week playing musical chairs with your kicker? Not to mention if you have a transaction fee as well.

DST and Kicker are always over looked and that is where ground can be made up if you draft intelligently. Especially DST.

I have always used a VBD system for calculating my players before the draft. It is a no joke system that literally takes several hours to forecast out. I have a excel sheet from 2011 if anyone wants to see it; I can email it to Matty; I don't know how to post a excel workbook on here.

It is a real eye opening experiencing that shows you exactly what a guy is worth to you in your league.

How the system works:

[B][I]How does VBD work? It's all about establishing that "baseline" player. Calculating the difference between each player's absolute fantasy point total and the point total of a baseline player at the same position gives us a relative number, which can then be compared across positions. Logically, this allows us to look at past-year performances, determining which positions tended to justify higher draft slots. After all, if we only judged by absolute point totals, we'd all be drafting quarterbacks in the first round, since for example in 2011, eight of the top 10 highest raw fantasy point totals were scored by QBs.[/I][/B]
[B][I]Intelligent folks have different ways of thinking about how to determine baselines for each position. Some like to think of baseline as "replacement-level," as we sometimes do in baseball, and in a 10-team league, for example, that leads us to the No. 11 QB as our baseline (since the top 10 would presumably start for each of the 10 fantasy squads). Frank DuPont (who wrote [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Approach-Decision-ebook/dp/B007SBHUHA/"]this e-book[/URL]) figures baseline players by adding up the total number of man-games your fantasy league requires to fill out a full season at each position, then calculating the average number of players at each position it usually takes to produce that many man-games. FootballGuys prefers a "Top 100" methodology, whereby we establish how many players at each position tend to get drafted in the overall top 100 of your draft, and use that number as our baseline for each position. And there are several other approaches, often created by smart fantasy owners who simply tinker with stats inside their own leagues.[/I][/B]
[B][I]Personally, I tend toward the "10 Round" theory (which, to be fair, is simply an offshoot of the "Top 100" methodology): I look at the number of players at each position that typically gets drafted in the first 10 rounds of any league's draft, and however many QBs that is, that's my baseline QB. However many RBs that is, that's my baseline RB. And so on. So if you're in a 10-team league, you'd look at the top 100 players drafted. If you're in a 12-teamer, you'd look at the top 120. Why do I feel 10 rounds works well? To some extent, it's simply trial and error (me Excel pretty good). But philosophically, for me 10 rounds is the point where fantasy starting lineups are set, the top rookies and hyped sleepers we hope could work their way into being fantasy starters have been drafted, and we're now looking for backup (or "replacement") type players. Hey, I said it's kludgy, right?[/I][/B]
[B][I]The truth is, though, that any infighting about establishing the best baseline methodology feels a bit like a Talmudic inquisition, where the principals spend time parsing semicolons. I've run most conceptions of VBD baselines for multiple years' worth of data, and the ranks that result usually look quite similar. No matter how you do your baseline, there's room for you under my big VBD tent, because our results are going to bear far more than a passing resemblance to one another.[/I][/B][/quote]

I've been working on my MasterSpreadsheet for about 2 weeks. Every day tweaking it and adjusting small things. For example, this week, you are the 3rd receiver for the Seahawks. Etc.

I would love to see your VBD spreadsheet from last year. Post it on Google Docs and make it public. Then send the link to us. only those with the link can open it. pretty please.

In a new 10 man pay league and this is what I drafted.
QB-Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman
RB- Arian Foster, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jamal Stewart
WR- Stevie Johnson, Steve Smith (car), Dez Bryant, Mike Williams (tam), Kendall Wright
TE- Fred Davis,Tony Gonzalez, C. Fleener
DEF- San Fran, Pitt, Wash

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;930730]In a new 10 man pay league and this is what I drafted.
QB-Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman
RB- Arian Foster, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jamal Stewart
WR- Stevie Johnson, Steve Smith (car), Dez Bryant, Mike Williams (tam), Kendall Wright
TE- Fred Davis,Tony Gonzalez, C. Fleener
DEF- San Fran, Pitt, Wash[/quote]

I'd start Freeman if I were you. :D

With V-Jax, he's going to have a good year.

GREAT pick with Fleener. He's going to be Luck's Dallas Clark.

How'd you load up at RB like that? You have 3 potential 1st-round picks, although MJD is down a little this year. Was it a Keeper league?

Why three defenses? I'd drop Pittsburgh. They're getting old, due for a decline. If you need a kicker, drop a D for one.


Overall, very solid team except for Dez Bryant.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;930730]In a new 10 man pay league and this is what I drafted.
QB-Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman
RB- Arian Foster, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jamal Stewart
WR- Stevie Johnson, Steve Smith (car), Dez Bryant, Mike Williams (tam), Kendall Wright
TE- Fred Davis,Tony Gonzalez, C. Fleener
DEF- San Fran, Pitt, Wash[/quote]

So you drafted 1st or 2nd and after taking Foster first you took Chris Johnson and on the turn MJD? First, both these guys lasted this long? Why wouldnt you take a WR at that point?

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[quote=Chico23231;930734]So you drafted 1st or 2nd and after taking Foster first you took Chris Johnson and on the turn MJD? First, both these guys lasted this long? Why wouldnt you take a WR at that point?[/quote]

he didnt take a WR because he's not an idiot. WR is ridiculously deep this year. Theres not much of a performance dip between guys you can get in the 8th-12th rounds and guys youlll get in the 3rd and 4th. (this is assumping non-ppr). On the other hand, the vast majority of teams have two RBs who split carries pretty evenly, and some (like washington, new england, and new orleans) get great RB production (but from 3-4 guys, none of whom are worth owning on your fantasy team). Generally speaking, you'll want your QB, TE, and atleast 3 RBs before you even think of drafting a WR. your team will be much stronger for it.

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i don't even draft dst or k. i pick dst on a weekly match-up basis

i don't feel like looking this up right now, but if anyone knows off the top of their head - what did the top few kickers avg per game vs what did the bottom few kickers avg per game. i'll be surprised if it's more than 5 pts