Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

Griffin is now our QB of the future :) and we need to build around him.
But we've also lost our 2nd round pick.

In light of these events how would you like to see the FO attack this off-season both via FA and draft?

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Maybe Indy picks RGIII and we end up with Luck, you never know. I say trade the 3rd, one of the 4th rounders and add Hall to move into the 2nd round and pick a CB, S, OL or WR whatever looks best in that round.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;895332]Maybe Indy picks RGIII and we end up with Luck, you never know. I say trade the 3rd, one of the 4th rounders and add Hall to move into the 2nd round and pick a CB, S, OL or WR whatever looks best in that round.[/QUOTE]

I'd say either way our QB needs weapons so Garcon, Jackson, etc. Whoever but we need a WR or two. I agree we do need help at corner for sure but hall isn't going anywhere

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Move Barnes to Safety let LL walk.
Sign Grubbs G.
Sign Terrell Thomas CB
Sign Paul Soliai NT
Sign Eddie Royal WR
Sign Curtis Lofton ILB


Draft trade back in 3rd pick up additional pick for next yr.
4th rd pick Tommy Streeter WR, Rainey RB.
5th rd OL
6th I don't think we have one but if we do ILB
7th OL
7th OL

Since they are likely to address WR in FA they should look to add a safety in the third round.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;895336]Move Barnes to Safety let LL walk.
Sign Grubbs G.
Sign Terrell Thomas CB
Sign Paul Soliai NT
Sign Eddie Royal WR
Sign Curtis Lofton ILB


Draft trade back in 3rd pick up additional pick for next yr.
4th rd pick Tommy Streeter WR, Rainey RB.
5th rd OL
6th I don't think we have one but if we do ILB
7th OL
7th OL[/quote]

You almost read my mind. I like it.

Soliai would be great. Then Cofield can spend more time at end, which is a better spot for him.

However, we have two fourths. I'd be more willing to trade back one of them than to trade back the 3rd round pick. I might even package lower round picks to move back into the third with another pick.

Bottom line to which most would agree: We can't spend what we spent on Griffin without providing him with weapons and protection.

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FA:
Eddie Royal
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Carr
Ben Grubbs/Ryan Harris
Paul Soilai
Brandon Carr/Courtland Finnegan

Draft:
1st: The Robert Griffin III
3rd: Joe Adams/Dwight Jones
4th: David Molk
4th: Chris Rainey
5th: BPA
7th: BPA
7th: BPA

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[U]Areas of Concern[/U]

WR -- RG3 needs a legit #1 WR (i.e. Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston)

OL -- Need a new RT for OL to be successful. Liked what Willie Smith had to show at the end of the season. Not much to pick from in FA... Could use some competition at OG. (Paul McQuistan?, Jeff Backus?)

DB -- Hall just didn't get it done last season IMO. Play maker? Yes, but too inconsistent in coverage. Need a true shutdown corner. Not sure how we handle Landry and the safety position. Time will tell...

These are my 3 top areas of concern going into FA. Of course re-signing Fletch is very important, but I don't see it as the be all, end all. If we fix these areas of concern in any way that betters the team, I will be a happy camper.

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[quote=Lotus;895343]You almost read my mind. I like it.

Soliai would be great. Then Cofield can spend more time at end, which is a better spot for him.

However, we have two fourths. I'd be more willing to trade back one of them than to trade back the 3rd round pick. I might even package lower round picks to move back into the third with another pick.

Bottom line to which most would agree: [B]We can't spend what we spent on Griffin without providing him with weapons and protection[/B].[/quote]

So true but we want weapons that will be with us for a while we don't weapons that are great now & when RG3 is hitting his stride in 2 or 3 yrs they are old in NFL terms.

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I would say the Redskins have to either draft for need in the remaining rounds from rounds 3 through 7. But first, they have to do an excellent job in free agency. They must find a WR. Whether that wide receiver is Colston, Garcon, or V. Jackson. With the addition of one of those receivers, it will improve the passing game. Gaffney, Moss, Cooley,Hankerson, Paul, Davis, Armstrong, and Stallworth all have the potential to be great. To add not only a solid, but productive free agent wide receiver to that receiving corps could only aid in the overall passing game. The right tackle position also needs to be addressed. LT, LG, C, and RG are pretty much solid. Although the offensive line receives criticism, I like our o-line. We just need a more productive right tackle. Maurice Hurt might be able to solidify himself there. If not, we should draft a young prospect or get one in free agency.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895345]FA:
Eddie Royal
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Carr
Ben Grubbs/[B]Ryan Harris[/B]
Paul Soilai
Brandon Carr/Courtland Finnegan

Draft:
1st: The Robert Griffin III
3rd: Joe Adams/Dwight Jones
4th: David Molk
4th: Chris Rainey
5th: BPA
7th: BPA
7th: BPA[/quote]

Forgot to put him down if he's healthy hell yeah, did you stutter you put Carr down twice.

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Good thread.

I'd like to see them approach it aggressively. Not reckless. I've had enough of that for this week. But instead of throwing a truck load of money at Vincent Jackson, even though we know we're just going to have him on the downside of his career, I'd be aggressive in the WR trade market.

I would sign these players to relatively large money deals:

S Dwight Lowery
S LaRon Landry

I would sign these players to starters salaries:

OT Marcus McNeill (1 year - $4 million, pending release of course)
LB Geno Hayes
LB Erin Henderson OR LB London Fletcher

I would pick these players out of the bargain bin:

CB Tim Jennings
WR Chaz Schilens
RB LaDainian Tomlinson

To go with a number of re-signings we would already be considering. And I would look to bring in help at WR that is perhaps a better fit for our system. Jackson is a good fit, but a big money deal at 29 probably makes as much sense as a big money deal to Haynesworth at age 28, a guy who also fit our scheme.

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Maybe Markelle Martin in the 3rd since we will sign a WR maybe 2.

Cut:
Armstrong
Banks
Austin
Stallworth
Try to trade Moss for a 4th or 5th and if no one takes him think about cutting him

An offense of:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu/Evan Royster
FB Darrell Young
WR Vincent Jackson/Leonard Hankerson/Jabar Gaffney/Eddie Royal/Santana Moss
TE Fred Davis/Chris Cooley
LT Trent Williams
LG Ben Grubbs
C David Molk
RG Chris Chester
RT Willie Smith?
RB/WR/KR/PR Chris Rainey

Looks pretty good doesn't it?

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I'm not a big Eddie Royal fan, but just so all you VT guys don't think I hate your team, I would want to see what kind of cash it would cost to get Josh Morgan locked up.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;895350] The right tackle position also needs to be addressed. LT, LG, C, and RG are pretty much solid. Although the offensive line receives criticism, I like our o-line. We just need a more productive right tackle. Maurice Hurt might be able to solidify himself there. If not, we should draft a young prospect or get one in free agency.[/quote]

RT one word, Willie Smith. He proved he could play against some of the best pass rushers the last 5 games and held his own, he will get better.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;895351]Forgot to put him down if he's healthy hell yeah, did you stutter you put Carr down twice.[/QUOTE]



I guess I like him that much. lol

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[quote=GTripp0012;895355]I'm not a big Eddie Royal fan, but just so all you VT guys don't think I hate your team, I would want to see what kind of cash it would cost to get Josh Morgan locked up.[/quote]

That would be my pick, he's the sleeper WR. I've seen plenty of him and he keeps improving, unfortunately he got hurt last year and missed most of it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895345]FA:
Eddie Royal
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Carr
Ben Grubbs/Ryan Harris
Paul Soilai
Brandon Carr/Courtland Finnegan

7th: BPA[/quote]

I like Carr, but he is young and teams may overpay for him. Too band the chiefs tagged Bowe though. Also definitely like Royal, but VJ could be a headache?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;895356]RT one word, Willie Smith. He proved he could play against some of the best pass rushers the last 5 games and held his own, he will get better.[/quote]

Okay. That who I meant to say. For whatever reason, I get Maurice Hurt and Willie Smith mixed up. Smith did play solidly at left tackle down the stretch of the season.

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Also, if we had a crappy first round pick, I'd use it in a second on Mike Wallace(first round tender). Who looks a whole lot better now that Blackmon is barely 6'0, and slower then Wallace.

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Here's the other thing at WR: if we're willing to spend the high 3rd round pick on the highest guy on the board at the position, you're almost guaranteed a starter there because the draft is so deep.

I would certainly consider Ben Jones (C, Georgia) at that pick if he fell that far.

The 4th round pick can probably get a starting quality right tackle or a potential starting corner or linebacker.

After that though, we're pretty much drafting in the dark.

I would do what it took to add Kellen Moore in the 5th round. I know it doesn't seem like he would be a good fit to run an offense that RG3 is running, but once you've committed yourself to a shotgun based passing game, it raises Moore's value in the draft by about two rounds.

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1st round - RG3

3rd Round - Dwight Jones WR/UNC

trade both 4ths to get back up in the 3rd round, take best CB

5th - S

6th - S

7th - ILB


Sign Vincent Jackson. The best WR in the FA class, period. Add Lofton ILB from the falcons, only 25 years old and all the potential in the world. Then watch Fletchers 9m per asking price come down. Resign Fletcher to a reasonable deal, no more than 6 mil per any of the 3 years. Sign best available SS if LL walks, if he stays, one year deal.

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No one here has been watching Brandon Carr longer than I have, and he's a legit 1a CB in the NFL, but at a salary approaching something like Ike Taylor's contract, I'd let him sign elsewhere and keep the salary cap space. We're not committed enough to man-to-man principles to get value on Brandon Carr.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;895349]So true but we want weapons that will be with us for a while we don't weapons that are great now & when RG3 is hitting his stride in 2 or 3 yrs they are old in NFL terms.[/quote]

Good point!

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Draft:
3rd Brian Quick WR App. St.
4th Nate Potter OT Boise St.
4th Brandon Taylor SS LSU
5th BPA
6th BPA
7th BPA

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

You know who would be a good pickup in FA? Steve Smith, the one most recently of the Eagles.

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Id make sure we get one of vjax, Colston or garçon as well as Royal. Get Grubbs and I think we're a playoff team honestly.

Vjax/moss/gaffney/royal along with Davis Cooley and helu are plenty of weapons for rg3

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bigger money:
tulloch, carr, maybe VJ (but there are some flags there)

the cheaper guys:
meachem, royal, henderson, safety (there's like 7 very average guys, which is better than what we had last year).

of course, RT is a big need, so McNeil or harris would be a good idea. I think harris, carr, and ILB (whether fletcher or tulloch) are the big money guys (maybe VJ) and then we grab meachem at a mid level deal and 2-3 average level safeties, hoping one of them works out.

I really think #1 CB and then RT are our biggest holes (you can win without stud WRs).

draft OL in the 3rd. BA after that...

oh and laurent or whatever his name is on the roids...

[QUOTE=That Guy;895408]bigger money:
tulloch, carr, maybe VJ (but there are some flags there)

the cheaper guys:
meachem, royal, henderson, safety (there's like 7 very average guys, which is better than what we had last year).

of course, RT is a big need, so McNeil or harris would be a good idea. I think harris, carr, and ILB (whether fletcher or tulloch) are the big money guys (maybe VJ) and then we grab meachem at a mid level deal and 2-3 average level safeties, hoping one of them works out.

I really think #1 CB and then RT are our biggest holes (you can win without stud WRs).

draft OL in the 3rd. BA after that...

oh and laurent or whatever his name is on the roids...[/QUOTE]

I agree w all except I'd take VJax and garcon or maybe royal

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;895336]Move Barnes to Safety let LL walk.
Sign Grubbs G.
Sign Terrell Thomas CB
Sign Paul Soliai NT
Sign Eddie Royal WR
Sign Curtis Lofton ILB


Draft trade back in 3rd pick up additional pick for next yr.
4th rd pick Tommy Streeter WR, Rainey RB.
5th rd OL
6th I don't think we have one but if we do ILB
7th OL
7th OL[/quote]

Barnes is almost as bad a safety as he is a cb, so I don't like that. Also I think we may sign royal to be a #2/3 WR but well definitely do our best to get a true #1

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Off season target positions: RT swing OT, Safety, DL, OG, ILB, WR/TE, CB, QB

Offensive focus: Increasing 'explosive' plays

The sure fire way to increase everyone's productivity as individuals and as an offensive unit (including the coaching staff) is physical superiority at the POA.
For me the A#1 area that holds the offense back is the OL and particularly RT.
Shotty pass protection, average to below average run blocking and no depth.
Its a very sad state of affairs when Stephon Heyer has been the best player at that position over the last few years.* [url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/01/team-needs-2012-washington-redskins/]Team Needs 2012...Washington Redskins | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

According to nfl.com the Redskins were last in deep ball passer rating of 25.4*. [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82704f56/printable/exit-interview-offensive-issues-root-of-the-redskins-woes]Exit Interview: Offensive issues root of the Redskins' woes | NFL.com[/url]
Robert Griffin's velocity and deep ball distance/touch alone should improve those numbers.
But, the surest way to help the QB, especially a rookie QB, is to protect him.
One of the overlooked reason for Cam Newton's success in Carolina was outstanding pass protection.

Enough of the pre-amble.
My number 1 offseason need is RT.

I love Reggie Smith he could prove to be the steal of the draft but he also could prove to be nothing more then Stephon Heyer quality depth but merely a marginal starter.
But, imo were not in a position to gamble on Smith when the in house alternative, Jammal Brown, is a gamble in his own right.
Short of an outright long term upgrade, I think we owe it to Griffin to afford him the best RT we can find even if their only a stop gap.

But the RT FA pickings for an outright upgrade are slim and maybe the best we can do is quality depth?

Defensive focus: Shoring up the back end of the secondary and improving overall i.e. DL

The safety play wasn't terrible net-net I think it was much better then the RT play.
Yet, we a have FA in Landry that is a huge injury risk and a starter in Atogwe that also an injury risk and only 1 serviceable back-up in Doughty.

[B][U][SIZE="3"]FA:[/SIZE][/U][/B]
RT:
Demetrius Bell (upgrade), Jared Gaither (upgrade but high risk), Khalif Barnes (steady), Vernon Carey (slight upgrade?/steady player)

WR: Eddie Royal-
not a big interest for me in a big name FA WR, I'm assuming Hankerson comes back healthy and look forward to watching how a healthy Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong work together with a developing Hankerson, Paul, Ausitn and Robinson

S:
Reggie Smith, Corey Lynch, Brandon Meriweather, Craig Steltz, Haruki Nakamura, Zbikowski, Atari Bigby

NT:
I love Cofield but I believe the greatest benefit to the DL would occur if there was a good enough player at NT to move Cofield to DE.

Sione Pouha, Paul Soliai, Aubrayo Franklin

[B][U][SIZE="3"]Draft:[/SIZE][/U][/B]

Round 3- Harrison Smith S, Mychal Kendricks ILB, Mitchell Schwartz OT

Round 4-Alameda Ta'aamu NT, Brandon Brooks OG, Matt McCants

Round 4-Chris Rainey (?), Aaron Henry S, Tommy Streeter WR, Lardarius Green, Cyrus Gray RB

Round 5- (Should Vontaze Burifect fall swoop him up)*
Micheal Egnew TE, Nate Potter OT, Ryan Broyles WR, Terrance Ganaway FB/RB, Marvin McNutt WR, AJ Jenkins WR, Ron Brooks CB, Coty Sensabaugh

Round 6-UDFA: Chris Owusu WR
BPA

I would pick Soliai over Pouha or Franklin, but he may be expensive. Right now I'd only be willing to spend $$ on a safety or a LB (if we don't sign Fletcher) on defense.

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Okay, crazy idea hour. Maybe the worst idea I've ever had:

The Redskins should trade for DeSean Jackson.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;895420]Okay, crazy idea hour. Maybe the worst idea I've ever had:

The Redskins should trade for DeSean Jackson.[/QUOTE]

Not a bad idea but they won't give us him

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;895420]Okay, crazy idea hour. Maybe the worst idea I've ever had:

The Redskins should trade for DeSean Jackson.[/QUOTE]

Here is another crazy idea, let's not ever deal with Iggles...ever.

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OL , WR , CB maybe a big NT . If I could sign RB) M . Bush ( Oakland ) without a Lg bonus I would . 240 lb power back and I believe a strong running game is a young Qb's best friend . Not that I don't like our rb's , but would like to bring in a big power back .

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we need a burner for RG3's bombs. and a safety, we are in a bad spot there when laron leaves, i dont trust gomes, and theres not many good safetys on the market. i think we need to draft one in the 3rd.

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Now that we've solved the QB issue, our #1 priority is at WR. I've been hot and cold on Jackson, looking at his age and the big $$ he will command. As of now I'm cold.. I'd rather see us spend on Garçon and Royal at WR and draft Joe Adams or Brian Quick in the third. Our second biggest need, almost 1a now is a RT that can get to the second level on the run and anchor for the boot action. With RGIII we will be running whole lot more boot so the need is increased.

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If A Robinson WR makes the squad he will be the burner we need IMO.

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RT: harris
CB: carr
WR: meachem/royal/laurent robinson
ILB: fletch/tulloch
OG: 3rd round
Safety: anyone! ours suck.

no crazy cap stuff needed...