Fred Davis May get Franchise Tag
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36137/the-franchising-of-fred-davis]The franchising of Washington's Fred Davis - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Let's discuss... Should he get the tag? Cost is around 5 mil for the year. If he test positive for drugs he will be suspended for the year. If it worth while to place the tag on him or another player like Laron Landry?

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I'm totally fine with it. And it doesn't mean they can't negotiate with him for a longer term deal I don't believe

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It does mean the franchise tag can't go on someone else.

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It's a cheap franchise and given his situation he couldn't possibly get too salty about it as is the norm when a player gets tagged. Considering he was one of our shiniest offensive players this year and our other TE may or may not ever play at a high or even average level again I am down with it. Who else would be a good tag for us? Landry probably...anyone else taggable without it being problematic?

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Im ok with it because it doesn't cost too much but I am worried about him as a repeat drug offender

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Let's be honest though...a healthy Davis over 16 games is a great weapon for us. The drawback about the potential one-year ban is almost a non-issue for me. Who realistically replaces him and his potential production?

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i'm fine with it but i want to see ll slapped w the ft

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[quote=los panda;883404]i'm fine with it but i want to see ll slapped w the ft[/quote]

We can still give him the transition tag.

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I'd prefer to sign FD to a real deal and then use the franchise tag on Landry.

Despite his off-field problems, FD is the only real playmaking receiver that we have.

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I think we should be able to keep him without the franchise tag. Even if he goes out and looks, I doubt many teams will offer up a lot knowing he's one strike away from being out for the season, you talk nice to him, let him look, and then make a reasonable offer. He is a good weapon, but it's not the end if he were to hook up somewhere else.

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[quote=mbedner3420;883405]We can still give him the transition tag.[/quote]Except that, you can't.

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[quote=mbedner3420;883405]We can still give him the transition tag.[/quote]i like it
[quote=GTripp0012;883409]Except that, you can't.[/quote]why not? i'm very hazy on the transition tag.

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super cheap Franchise Tag .. maybe the cheapest in the league ??? I like the idea of keeping Davis & Cooley in the mix while developing Paulsen. However this smells of the end for Dirty 30 unless they have a long term deal in the works but it appears this regime ain't operating like that. This is going to be one hell of an off season.

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The franchise tag is the best option with him. Can you really bank on a repeat violator? We're not talking about $7.25 an hour or having an Aaron Hernandez backing him up. Heck, I'm even open to drafting a TE this year. This won't be a long thread. There's lots of input in the off-season thread already. Tyrone Biggums with a helmet on...

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landry sucks... he could be good, but only if he could get on the field and was never asked to cover anyone.

if fred davis gets suspended, i heard that we get the money back for whatever games he misses, so why not? there are only two guys on this team you'd franchise this year (davis/landry) and both safety and TE are very cheap tags...

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I think if you franchise him then you are minimizing the risk that he'll test positive for weed again. The franchise tag is the equivalent of a one-year deal, which means he'll be playing for a big contract. He'll have every incentive in the world to keep himself clean.

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[quote=GTripp0012;883383]It does mean the franchise tag can't go on someone else.[/quote]

Fletcher is our most valuable free agent, but ive got no reason to think we wont work something out. After that, who else on our team that is a FA worth franchising? Landry would be the closest bet, but i think both he and the team are ready to move on. Even if we did want him, no one is going to offer him money equal to what the franchise tender would pay due to his injury history, so we could sign him on the cheap.

as far as davis goes, i'm 100% behind franchising him. Its just a one year deal at a reasonable cost. considering he's one joint away from being suspended a whole year, a one year deal is perfect for him. It gives Davis a year to prove he can stay clean and prove he deserves the big payday. If he plays well, hes more than worth top 5 TE money in a long-term deal. If not, its only one year so were really using 5 MM in cap space on him. GREAT value in my opinion .

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Now that I think about it. Trade him on draft day.

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[quote=diehard;883426]Now that I think about it. Trade him on draft day.[/quote]

Trade him....

Trade a guy who was suspended 4 games for failing a drug test and is one failed test away from a years suspension.

Trade a guy who spent three years trying to make Skins fans forget he was the one who overslept his first day of training camp.

Sure there'll be a bunch of takers for that. We'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. Even that sounds ludicrous as I type it.

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[quote=FRPLG;883427]Trade him....

Trade a guy who was suspended 4 games for failing a drug test and is one failed test away from a years suspension.

Trade a guy who spent three years trying to make Skins fans forget he was the one who overslept his first day of training camp.

Sure there'll be a bunch of takers for that. We'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. Even that sounds ludicrous as I type it.[/quote]

Seems everyone else is saying how valuable he is as our most explosive offensive talent. I don't value him as much. I'm just saying if the Skins decide to trade up in the draft why not consider throwing in Fred Davis.

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If I'm the Redskins, which last time I checked I'm not, I give Davis a reasonable deal (5 years, 27 mil, morality clause or w/e you want to call it that gives the Skins multiple options in case he fails another drug test), and then give Landry the franchise tag. I don't think we need to create another hole on the roster if Landry leaves. He can still be an impact player for us. This would most definitely be his last chance though, and I'd just give him a 1 year deal to prove himself again. Honestly I think it speaks volumes that none of us are even mentioning Fletcher. I really hope it's not a big concern at all.

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[quote=diehard;883430]Seems everyone else is saying how valuable he is as our most explosive offensive talent. I don't value him as much. I'm just saying if the Skins decide to trade up in the draft why not consider throwing in Fred Davis.[/quote]

Because he is worth nothing to other teams...or close to nothing. Players whom a team is familiar with and who the team knows fits the system are always worth more to their team than they are to other teams.

We couldn't get more than a late rounder for him...but we'd have to sign him in some way first. As a franchised guy he isn't worth anything at all unless the other team can work out a long-term deal...and if we resign him straight up we'd probably have him at a reasonable cost...so why trade him?

A trade doesn't seem to make any sense or even be remotely in the cards.

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[quote=That Guy;883416]landry sucks... he could be good, but only if he could get on the field and was never asked to cover anyone.

[B]if fred davis gets suspended, i heard that we get the money back for whatever games he misses,[/B] so why not? there are only two guys on this team you'd franchise this year (davis/landry) and both safety and TE are very cheap tags...[/quote]

can someone clarify this, i thought that if you franchise tag some one their salary is garanteed, is there as clause about being suspended? it would make sense.

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[quote=diehard;883430]Seems everyone else is saying how valuable he is as our most explosive offensive talent. I don't value him as much. I'm just saying if the Skins decide to trade up in the draft [B]why not consider throwing in Fred Davis[/B].[/quote]

because the juice would not be worth the squeeze. his value to us is higher than it would be to any other teams.

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[quote=mooby;883432]If I'm the Redskins, which last time I checked I'm not, I give Davis a reasonable deal (5 years, 27 mil, morality clause or w/e you want to call it that gives the Skins multiple options in case he fails another drug test), and then give Landry the franchise tag. I don't think we need to create another hole on the roster if Landry leaves. He can still be an impact player for us. This would most definitely be his last chance though, and I'd just give him a 1 year deal to prove himself again. Honestly I think it speaks volumes that none of us are even mentioning Fletcher. I really hope it's not a big concern at all.[/quote]

the problem with your thinking is that if landry does have the surgery he will be out for a year, meaning he will miss next season. the longer and longer this drags on only means bad things for both dirty landry and the redskins. at this point i am just waiting to hear that he is released, and it f-ing sucks cause like you said it's just one more whole.

as far as fletch is concerned i am under thr impression that this front office is not chock full of ruhtards and will be an easy re-sign. from all accounts fletch loves it here and has proven his value. if he doesn't get a nice sized deal for about 3-4 years that would be a huge surprise to me, i see him retiring here.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;883408]I think we should be able to keep him without the franchise tag. Even if he goes out and looks, I doubt many teams will offer up a lot knowing he's one strike away from being out for the season, you talk nice to him, let him look, and then make a reasonable offer. He is a good weapon, but it's not the end if he were to hook up somewhere else.[/quote]

Absolutely right; not many teams will bid on a FA TE who has shown a lack of discipline off the field. Plus Davis will be subject to even harsher penalties if he stumbles again with recreational drugs.

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[quote=diehard;883430]Seems everyone else is saying how valuable he is as our most explosive offensive talent. I don't value him as much. I'm just saying if the Skins decide to trade up in the draft why not consider throwing in Fred Davis.[/quote]

Because a good TE is a young QBs best friend.

Cam Newton-Greg Olsen/Jeremy Shockey
Christian Ponder-Kyle Rudolph
Matt Ryan-Tony Gonzalez
Matt Stafford-Brandon Pettigrew
Robert Griffin III/Ryan Tannehill-Fred Davis/Chris Cooley

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[quote=mlmdub130;883445]can someone clarify this, i thought that if you franchise tag some one their salary is garanteed, is there as clause about being suspended? it would make sense.[/quote]

I'd have to try and find something, but they've mentioned it on 980 two or three times in the last month about "apparantly the NFL has..." about getting money back for games missed due to suspensions if we worked out a long term deal with him (as in, it would be handled at the nfl level, not at the "redskins must include it in the deal" level if it became an issue).

I don't know if that applies to tags as well, but I wouldn't be surprised.

that's assuming what I heard is correct, but I do believe it to be.

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[quote=mlmdub130;883446]because the juice would not be worth the squeeze. his value to us is higher than it would be to any other teams.[/quote]

Ok. Maybe the team should sign him for a pretzel and a half-smoke?

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Fred Davis is arguably our best receiver.

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[quote=30gut;883514]Fred Davis is arguably our best receiver.[/quote]

I guess the question is, where does Fred Davis rank in the entire league? Top half? Top 10? Top 5? That's absurd to think he's not valued much to other teams but he means the world to "us".

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My sources tell me that Manning really wants to work with FD and they are going to keep him. ;)

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883517]My sources tell me that Manning really wants to work with FD and they are going to keep him. ;)[/quote]

Funny.

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Diehard- I think the only thing that would turn teams off to FD is the drug deal. Other than that the kid is at least a top 10 TE in the league.

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[quote=30gut;883514]Fred Davis is arguably our best receiver.[/quote]

He presents the biggest match-up problems, wouldn't say he's our best receiver though. :)

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Its pretty simple in terms of Fred Davis;

You sign him to a long term deal, but put a clause in there that if he smokes weed or gets caught with it, the Skins don't have to pay him out the rest of the contract and he's donezo.

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[quote=diehard;883516]I guess the question is, where does Fred Davis rank in the entire league? Top half? Top 10? Top 5? That's absurd to think he's not valued much to other teams but he means the world to "us".[/quote]

He ranks below Graham, Gronkowski, Gates, Vernon Davis, Hernandez, Witten and Gonzalez. After that, it's up for full debate.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;883524]He ranks below Graham, Gronkowski, Gates, Vernon Davis, Hernandez, Witten and Gonzalez. After that, it's up for full debate.[/quote]

FD needs two things to be with this group:

1. A QB that's better than anything we had last year
2. Fight for the ball and take advantage of his size

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[quote=mlmdub130;883449]the problem with your thinking is that if landry does have the surgery he will be out for a year, meaning he will miss next season. the longer and longer this drags on only means bad things for both dirty landry and the redskins. at this point i am just waiting to hear that he is released, and it f-ing sucks cause like you said it's just one more whole.

as far as fletch is concerned i am under thr impression that this front office is not chock full of ruhtards and will be an easy re-sign. from all accounts fletch loves it here and has proven his value. if he doesn't get a nice sized deal for about 3-4 years that would be a huge surprise to me, i see him retiring here.[/quote]

Well I think we're in it now with Landry. He's not getting the surgery, so he better hope and pray his alt. therapy works. I just don't want to see him go when I know that when he's healthy he can make a good impact.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;883523]Its pretty simple in terms of Fred Davis;

You sign him to a long term deal, but put a clause in there that if he smokes weed or gets caught with it, the Skins don't have to pay him out the rest of the contract and he's donezo.[/quote]

It's a given that if he's suspended, it'll be without pay so that doesn't need to be in the contract. Bonus money might be hard to be recouped though.(Vick allowed to keep his bonus money) That's why you don't give huge bonuses to guys with questionable character.



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