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From my perspective, the race for luck looks like a brawl between maimi and indy. Lets say hypothetically, indy gets luck, and looks to shop manning. What do you think the colts could get for him in return? He is peyton manning after all, but then again by the superbowl of next year he'll have 36 years, 11 months (I'm going to round up to 37), he'll be coming off a year of not playing, coming into a new system, and coming out of his third neck surgery. I don't think the price tag is really going to be that large. I'd say just a first rounder and maybe one other pick (3rd at the highest...unless its a high 1st rounder). I think the only teams that would make this trade would have to have management with a history of agressive moves, and a management that thinks peyton gives them good odds at winning a superbowl that year, and the next year. I'd say that leaves the seahawks, the redskins, the jets, and the ravens are the only candidates. My/your opinion on if peyton gives these teams good odds for a sb is irrelevant, its if they believe it. I'd say the jets, the ravens, and the redskins are the 3 biggest possibilities. All solid defenses with something missing in the offense. I don't think I have to argue how dramatically peyton manning impacts the offense of his team. For the skins its a matter of if we think peyton still has it, and how long shanny plans on sticking around to coach the skins. If he planning on being here for 10 years or so, I say he doesn't do it. For the ravens/jets its obvious what the conditions are. Its if they think peyton still has it, and if they want to sign their respective qbs to long term deals. If the ravens/jets make it, it would probably be a 3 way trade with their qb getting dealt to a 3rd party.

Hypothetically, if the colts decide to "eli manning" luck, I think they would get a ton. Probably that years draft class and two more first rounders. Jay cutler got two first and a third. A younger, more highly touted, better perceived, more marketable, less expensive option would get significantly more.

For the record, I think the colts would be crazy not to draft keep luck and deal manning. This is business, to sacrifice 10 years of contending for 2 is insane.

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[quote=skinster;850227]From my perspective, the race for luck looks like a brawl between maimi and indy. Lets say hypothetically, indy gets luck, and looks to shop manning. What do you think the colts could get for him in return? He is peyton manning after all, but then again by the superbowl of next year he'll have 36 years, 11 months (I'm going to round up to 37), he'll be coming off a year of not playing, coming into a new system, and coming out of his third neck surgery. I don't think the price tag is really going to be that large. I'd say just a first rounder and maybe one other pick (3rd at the highest...unless its a high 1st rounder). I think the only teams that would make this trade would have to have management with a history of agressive moves, and a management that thinks peyton gives them good odds at winning a superbowl that year, and the next year. I'd say that leaves the seahawks, the redskins, the jets, and the ravens are the only candidates. My/your opinion on if peyton gives these teams good odds for a sb is irrelevant, its if they believe it. I'd say the jets, the ravens, and the redskins are the 3 biggest possibilities. All solid defenses with something missing in the offense. I don't think I have to argue how dramatically peyton manning impacts the offense of his team. For the skins its a matter of if we think peyton still has it, and how long shanny plans on sticking around to coach the skins. If he planning on being here for 10 years or so, I say he doesn't do it. For the ravens/jets its obvious what the conditions are. Its if they think peyton still has it, and if they want to sign their respective qbs to long term deals. If the ravens/jets make it, it would probably be a 3 way trade with their qb getting dealt to a 3rd party.

Hypothetically, if the colts decide to "eli manning" luck, I think they would get a ton. Probably that years draft class and two more first rounders. Jay cutler got two first and a third. A younger, more highly touted, better perceived, more marketable, less expensive option would get significantly more.

For the record, I think the colts would be crazy not to draft keep luck and deal manning. [B]This is business, to sacrifice 10 years of contending for 2 is insane.[/quote][/B]
This.
All the rest of your speculation is pure insanity in terms of what is best for the Redskins, with all due respect.

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He would get clobbered here.. and no way would Kyle give his QB that much freedom

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[quote=Redskin Jim;850228][/B]
This.
All the rest of your speculation is pure insanity in terms of what is best for the Redskins, with all due respect.[/quote]

Lol, I never said I thought the redskins should do it. I'm more looking at this from the colts perspective, as in what teams are most likely to do it, and what the price tag would be. I think the redskins are a candidate to be in the mix. Shannahan isn't young, and probably won't be coaching forever, he wants another ring. He also has a history of making big trades. Our defense is good, and Manning would be our offense. Any team he is on has a good offense, IF he is able to play like the Peyton Manning we know. Kyle would change his offense for manning, nobody is stupid enough to not utilize a HOF qb.

But for the record, as a redskins fan, I would not want this trade to be made. No matter what team I'm a fan of, I probably would not want this trade to be made, but the fact of the matter is one team will, and I still think we are a candidate to pull the trigger on this.

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We already have our Manning.. John Beck has arose from the ashes like a phoenix. He will lead the Redskins to great things. It's in his prophecy

Beck to the Future!

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Why would the Ravens, even the Jets, be interested? They seem pretty set at QB.

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If all things were equal and this scenario occurred a year ago, acquiring Manning would be tempting. But given that the draft is loaded with QB talent, this scenario is less inviting unless you are a team which missed out on draft day.

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[quote=Bucket;850233]We already have our Manning.. John Beck has arose from the ashes like a phoenix. He will lead the Redskins to great things. It's in his prophecy

Beck to the Future!

[IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2euoh93.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I want one! :)

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Yea stupid idea. If they can keep both. With the rookie wage scale isn't it possible to keep both?

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Pretty much zero chance the Redskins, Jets or Ravens a trade for Peyton Manning next year, especially for a first and third rounder. Seahawks - doubt it. I think someone already said it, too much QB talent coming out of the draft. Peyton probably stays where he is, whether or not they take Luck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;850234]Why would the Ravens, even the Jets, be interested? They seem pretty set at QB.[/quote]

I disagree, but what I think is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is what the jets and ravens think. This is a make or break year for both qbs in their evaluation process. If the ravens/jets aren't comfortable giving a big deal to either qb, it might be a good idea to trade for manning, and trade their qb while they still can.

Everyone seems very against the teams I picked. Who would you guys think would pull the trigger on this trade? I highly doubt any team that doesn't believe it has the right personel to go to the sb with peyton, any team that has a future qb on their roster, or any team who doesn't have a "do what we can to win now" attitude would make this trade. If you disagree, who would you have there?

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[quote=musicmaster45;850240]Yea stupid idea. If they can keep both. With the rookie wage scale isn't it possible to keep both?[/quote]

The colts clearly suck now and need to rebuild. I'd prefer to get value for him while I can. The only benefit for the colts of keeping peyton around is for him to teach Luck how to play. But I doubt Peyton would take too kindly to having Luck over his shoulder. I just can't see them both being there. With all do respect to Favre, Manning has played much better and much more consistent in their age. I can see a Cutler type situation unfolding if they keep Manning and draft Luck. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I just don't see them both being on the roster.

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This would actually more possible if the thread was about Peyton Hillis

But it's not, so here's what will happen...Colts will get the first pick and draft Andrew Luck and trade Peyton Manning to the Dolphins for the second overall pick where they'll draft Landry Jones. There you have it Luck and Jones on the Colts 2012. Boom!

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We should call this the fantasy thread.

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Screw this old man talk.
Lets draft a 10 year Redskin QB.

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Didn't Manning just sign a new contract during the offseason? And any team that acquires him also acquires that huge contract (which I believe is the richest in the league at present).

I'd say that if ANY team in the NFL would benefit from the "Suck for Luck" campaign, it is the Rams.

If the Rams end up with the #1 overall pick, they could easily trade out of that.
They already have their franchise QB in Bradford, they don't need Luck.

Also with the rookie wage scale in place, more teams will now want to trade into the top 10 rather than out of it.

Rams could trade out of that #1 spot and could easily end up with 3 to 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft.

Surround Bradford with some weapons and see what happens.

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if carson palmer got 2 1st rounders, then manning would command that AND some, say another 2nd rounder at least, regardless of age. You know how much the team that would gain manning would make marketing his ass? The jerseys would sell like frikkin hotcakes, and hey, who is to say that once he is healthy, he cant play for 4 or 5 more seasons? Its rarely done, but if you get him completely healthy, if anyone can play and be super productive late into his years, its peyton manning.

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[quote=Mechanix544;850254]if carson palmer got 2 1st rounders, then manning would command that AND some, say another 2nd rounder at least, regardless of age. You know how much the team that would gain manning would make marketing his ass? The jerseys would sell like frikkin hotcakes, and hey, who is to say that once he is healthy, he cant play for 4 or 5 more seasons? Its rarely done, but if you get him completely healthy, if anyone can play and be super productive late into his years, its peyton manning.[/quote]

I agree with you on all points but I don't see 4 or 5 more years out of manning.

I think it is a long shot in most people's opinions that he makes even one more year, if he comes back at all. QB's can live on through bad knees, bum shoulders, etc, but this is the man's freaking neck and his quality of life after football and posisble his life is on the line every time he goes on the field. It is true with every player, but i think he is especially gambling to come back and attempt to play after 3 surgeries on his neck.

If it was just the issue of having a fragile neck, then hey, maybe he does come back. But he has lasting nerve damage that has caused him to lose 50% of his arm strength, and is now affecting his back and the way he is able to move. If he comes back in this condition, think an arm weaker than Chad Pennington, but at least he still has his smarts about him.

I think Peyton may have played his last game as a Colt, i think they will trade him and his huge contact to another team who considers him worth the risk that he might play one more year in that condition and be enough for that team to get to the super bowl.

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I think it will be interesting to see what the Colts do if they get the first overall pick.

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[quote=Ruhskins;850268]I think it will be interesting to see what the Colts do if they get the first overall pick.[/quote]

99.9% Colts go after Luck.

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;850241]Pretty much zero chance the Redskins, Jets or Ravens a trade for Peyton Manning next year, especially for a first and third rounder. Seahawks - doubt it. I think someone already said it, too much QB talent coming out of the draft. Peyton probably stays where he is, whether or not they take Luck.[/QUOTE]

The colts would never trade manning. He is the entire identity of the franchise and one of the best QBs of all time. The colts would face a backlash that would make the Vick dogfighting thing look like kibbles and bits.

Great QBs can leave on their own if the franchise doesn't want to pay them but they can never be traded.

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If the Redskins ever went after old man Manning, I'd go beat up the FO with a baseball bat.

I mean how many more years does Manning really have in him? I don't see him pulling a Favre and staying way past his due and he just had 2 neck surgeries. I give him another 3 years at most, depending on how he rebounds from these surgeries.

The Skins really need to start building around the draft and young guys, which they finally started doing last year. Please, please please keep this up.

Going after old farts and big names has rarely worked out in the past.

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I see the cowboys dumping Tony Elmo and signing Peyton for Jerry's world.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;850253]Didn't Manning just sign a new contract during the offseason? And any team that acquires him also acquires that huge contract (which I believe is the richest in the league at present).

I'd say that if ANY team in the NFL would benefit from the "Suck for Luck" campaign, it is the Rams.

If the Rams end up with the #1 overall pick, they could easily trade out of that.
They already have their franchise QB in Bradford, they don't need Luck.

Also with the rookie wage scale in place, more teams will now want to trade into the top 10 rather than out of it.

Rams could trade out of that #1 spot and could easily end up with 3 to 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft.

Surround Bradford with some weapons and see what happens.[/quote]

Or they could draft Luck and trade Bradford.... You think Shanahan wouldn't go for that one?

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Peyton can't win it by himself in Indy. Haven't we already realized this? I say let the Colts keep paying him regardless of they have a chance to draft Luck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;850234]Why would the Ravens, even the Jets, be interested? They seem pretty set at QB.[/quote]


The Jets are pretty far from set @ QB. The ONLY things keeping Sanchez as the starter there is that they have Brunell as the #2 and that they drafted him so high as a lottery pick. I think if the Jets (and any team not completely solid at QB) would try to go after Peyton Manning if he became available. Even a lot of teams solid @ QB would at least see what the Colts would be asking.

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No lets stop the madness, we need to draft our QB. Lets stop taking all these retreads and groom a young QB from the draft to be our guy.

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Why is this a thread?There is no chance of the Colts giving up Manning...none,nada,zip,ZERO!!!Yes they might take Luck then pull what Greenbay did...sit him and let him learn from the master.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;850253]Didn't Manning just sign a new contract during the offseason? And any team that acquires him also acquires that huge contract (which I believe is the richest in the league at present).

I'd say that if ANY team in the NFL would benefit from the "Suck for Luck" campaign, it is the Rams.

If the Rams end up with the #1 overall pick, they could easily trade out of that.
They already have their franchise QB in Bradford, they don't need Luck.

Also with the rookie wage scale in place, more teams will now want to trade into the top 10 rather than out of it.

Rams could trade out of that #1 spot and could easily end up with 3 to 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft.

Surround Bradford with some weapons and see what happens.[/quote]

I don't recall the exact details. But as I recall the contract is set up in such a way that it wouldn't be hard for the Colts to cut or trade Manning after this season. And if they traded him, the receiving team wouldn't necessarily be burdened with an outrageous contract.

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moot point...all of this. Manning will never play another down in the nfl

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[quote=GMScud;850294]Or they could draft Luck and trade Bradford.... You think Shanahan wouldn't go for that one?[/quote]
I dont think that happens.....Bradford was in the last class of rookies that got the big money contracts before the rookie wage scale.

Bradford signed a 55 or 60 million dollar deal as a rookie.

You trade for the player, you assume that contract as well. I don't see Shanny doing that at all.

And I know Luck is the hot name coming out. But so was a guy named Ryan Leaf who actually got selected higher than Peyton Manning. We all know how that worked out.

In Bradford you KNOW you have a commodity that has proven he can play at this level. With A. Luck, although talented, it is still pure speculation as to how he might do at the pro level.

To trade a proven starter, for a rookie who has not taken a single snap as a professional is comparable to professional suicide.

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Leaf got selected higher than Peyton Manning? In what world was that?

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[quote=SmootSmack;850341]Leaf got selected higher than Peyton Manning? In what world was that?[/quote]

Something's in that Texan water...or this is the result of generations of inbreeding. :laughing2

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[quote=dmek25;850331]moot point...all of this. Manning will never play another down in the nfl[/quote]


Wrong,but he will only play for the Colts.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;850332]I dont think that happens.....Bradford was in the last class of rookies that got the big money contracts before the rookie wage scale.

Bradford signed a 55 or 60 million dollar deal as a rookie.

[B]You trade for the player, you assume that contract as well. I don't see Shanny doing that at all.[/B]

And I know Luck is the hot name coming out. But so was a guy named Ryan Leaf who actually got selected higher than Peyton Manning. We all know how that worked out.

In Bradford you KNOW you have a commodity that has proven he can play at this level. With A. Luck, although talented, it is still pure speculation as to how he might do at the pro level.

To trade a proven starter, for a rookie who has not taken a single snap as a professional is comparable to professional suicide.[/quote]

Let's leave the Leaf part aside and focus on your other statement. Think hard - since when have the Redskins been allergic to big money contracts? We're not talking about the Bengals here. I think if the Skins could acquire Bradford that money would not be an obstacle.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;850348]Something's in that Texan water...or this is the result of generations of inbreeding. :laughing2[/quote]
Your in friggin Virginia or West Virginia and make an inbreeding statement? Really? A area of the country where the term "Uncle Daddy" is a regular occurence? LMAO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;850341]Leaf got selected higher than Peyton Manning? In what world was that?[/quote]
oops, ok so 1 & 2 but I had them reversed.

But at the time of the draft, they were actually considered 1 and 1A. The Chargers mortgaged a lot of their future to move up just to make sure they got one of the two.

But without nit-picking on that.....still the fact remains that only someone named Vinny would trade a QB that has shown he can perform at this level to take a chance on a rookie who has not taken a snap at the pro level. Its idiocy.

Thats why I believe, guys like Aaron Rogers and Phillip Rivers have been so successful. They were drafted high and had proven veterans in front of them. Gave their teams time to evaluate them before handing them the reigns.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;850362]


Thats why I believe, guys like Aaron Rogers and Phillip Rivers have been so successful. They were drafted high and had proven veterans in front of them. Gave their teams time to evaluate them before handing them the reigns.[/quote]

Rogers ..ok, Rivers successful.....how,Ben and Eli beat him hands down.

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I will believe Peyton returns as soon as someone says he is at 100% and his arm strength is back to 100%.

I mean come on guys the man has life-long nerve damage now as a result of the surgeries. He has spasms in his back that require him to get injections and take medication as a result of the nerve damage. The colts were careful when they were describing his limiations following the surgery. They mentioned that at 50%, his arm strength had "plateaued". Meaning it is as good as its gonna be.

Peyton is foolish to attempt a comeback in that kind of shape. Sure he has the football smarts and always will, but he has a fragile neck and at this point a damaged throwing arm. I can't beleive i'd ever think of Peyton Manning & Weak Arm in the same sentence, but it's a sad reality.

More foolish still is the team that thinks Manning in that state is what they are missing for a super-bowl run. I think he will fail the physical this off-season, the colts will offer him a chance at being a coach/coordinator, and if he declines and believes he can still play, then they will attempt to trade him to someone who decides he is worth the risk.

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Manning is pretty much a coach that plays on the field. Any rookie would benefit learning from him and how to run that offense. The only two options at a potential starting QB on this team that is not named John Beck is a drafted rookie, or a second or third year backup that by luck (no pun intended) turns out to be a phenom....or maybe a combination of the two.