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I don't think Shanny should yank Rex, I just wanted to get the silly thread going and out of the way.

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Why not?

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I agree. If the Ram defender could catch they would've had a pick 6. He just doesn't take care of the ball. I've seen enough of the guy. He's a nice back up but nothing more. Now with the bye they have two weeks to get Beck ready. Make the move.

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Rex was responsible for one pick. All I want out of Rex is a game manager, but I don't think that KS' play calling is helping with that.

And what happens when we get Beck? We get another game manager.

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Pretty hard to bench your QB when you're 3-1, that's all I'm saying.

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I think it needs to be taken into consideration at the minimum. I'm all for continuity but Rex almost single handled screwed us into at least a tie game. (Along with Moss. I know I know) Rams just sucked at offense and our defense is superb.

There's time to work out Rex's vision but.. He makes me extremely nervous as our QB.

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We r 3-1 but Rex isn't the reason, Try Beck why not?

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Dumb idea. Even worse to even entertain the idea at 3-1.

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[quote=12thMan;843489]Pretty hard to bench your QB when you're 3-1, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]

I don't think Rex is that reason though. I think it's our running game and our defense keeping us in the game.

Rexy is far more lucky than good.

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Before the justification to start Rex over Beck was sky high productivity seen during both the Giants game and second half against the Cards. We haven't seen that since the end of Week 2.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;843506]I don't think Rex is that reason though. I think it's our running game and our defense keeping us in the game.

Rexy is far more lucky than good.[/quote]

So if we're 3-1, then what's the justification for bringing in Beck?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;843508]Before the justification to start Rex over Beck was sky high productivity seen during both the Giants game and second half against the Cards. We haven't seen that since the end of Week 2.[/quote]


Yes exactly

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[quote=12thMan;843489]Pretty hard to bench your QB when you're 3-1, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]

It's like any other position. You have to look at it on an a player by player basis. This win was in spite of Rex and last week wasn't much better. Besides worse comes to worse you can always go back to Rex. It's time to take advantage of not having to manage the ego of a big name QB.

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[quote=12thMan;843523]So if we're 3-1, then what's the justification for bringing in Beck?[/quote]

Because fans love to blame just players and not criticize coaches.

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[quote=12thMan;843523]So if we're 3-1, then what's the justification for bringing in Beck?[/quote]

Because he can't be any worse than Rexy.

I mean honestly, both of these guys aren't starting material. It's not like going from Brady to JaMarcus Russell or anything. It's not gonna be a huge drop off.

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By all accounts Grossman had a pretty good game. That last pick was bad, but he's always good for one of those. The first pick wasn't on him, Hightower dropped a catchable 3rd down, and he ran for a 1st down.

The question is: [B]Would we be 3-1 if Beck was QB?[/B] I don't think we would be.

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idk y a change would be that crazy? I'll take 3-1 though but still

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[quote=skinsfaninok;843557]idk y a change would be that crazy? I'll take 3-1 though but still[/quote]

Because we ride this team into the ground. It's like a car that you love. It sounds like a truck and breaks down on you every other day, but damnit, you're going to ride it till it's dead.

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I'm not against the idea, but I don't think it would be smart. I just don't know how much better Beck makes this team, if he does make them better at all. Pretty hard to justify a move like that with the team leading the division going into the bye.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;843571]Because we ride this team into the ground. It's like a car that you love. It sounds like a truck and breaks down on you every other day, but damnit, you're going to ride it till it's dead.[/quote]


Rex played bad last week and bad today, he is LUCKY we have a run game and a good D or we would b 1-3

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;843580]I'm not against the idea, but I don't think it would be smart. I just don't know how much better Beck makes this team, if he does make them better at all. Pretty hard to justify a move like that with the team leading the division going into the bye.[/quote]

That's how I feel about it. Thanks for saying is more pretty than I can.

It usually just comes out like, "Grrrrararrar F Rex Grossman!"

Hah

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I haven't been able to see the games so I don't know how bad Rex really looks. All I can see is his stats, which aren't great, but in the end, the only numbers that matter is the W-L record.

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I say we just bring back Clemens and start him.. Who cares?

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If you put Rex against Trent Cole and the Eagles you're asking for sack and strip fumbles. Granted Trent should be much better against him then Sam Baker but it only takes one play. I want the mobility of Beck especially with the running game coming on now. Bootlegs will be very deadly against an Eagles team that struggles stopping the run.

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What's Pineapple Jesus up to?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;843587]That's how I feel about it. Thanks for saying is more pretty than I can.

It usually just comes out like, "Grrrrararrar F Rex Grossman!"

Hah[/quote]


LOL, guess you need to work on that...:laughing-

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some of u guys act like Rex is a great QB.. He's not so why would we not bench him?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;843609]some of u guys act like Rex is a great QB.. He's not so why would we not bench him?[/quote]

Actually it seems more like a fear of if Rex gets benched we can never go back to him. This isn't baseball people and like I've said since training camp, and many times today, the advantage of having two journey men QB's is you can bench one of them and not cause a huge S storm in the media. Sure we would love to have an actual franchise QB but the hand we got now gives us flexibility. I say we use it.

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I dont think the question is entirely crazy. I think the question will be bounced around by the coaching staff. Rex has had 6 consecutive quarters of pretty poor play.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;843580]I'm not against the idea, but I don't think it would be smart. I just don't know how much better Beck makes this team, if he does make them better at all. Pretty hard to justify a move like that with the team leading the division going into the bye.[/quote]

Exactly how I feel. Rex is a very average player at best, but does Beck really give us any better of a shot? We're 3-1. Benching Rex is a panic move. 3-1 teams that head into a bye week healthy and leading their division shouldn't panic.

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I don't think Rex is great, but I don't think you gain much if anything by bringing in Beck at this point. Rex is a middle of the pack guy. Always was, probably always will be. His stats at this point of the season are comparable to guys like Big Ben, M. Sanchez, Flacco, Kolb...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;843609]some of u guys act like Rex is a great QB.. He's not so why would we not bench him?[/quote]

KS needs to realize that Grossman and Beck are not great QBs and that our offense needs a running game.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;843624]I don't think Rex is great,[B] but I don't think you gain much if anything by bringing in Beck at this point.[/B] Rex is a middle of the pack guy. Always was, probably always will be. His stats at this point of the season are comparable to guys like Big Ben, M. Sanchez, Flacco, Kolb...[/quote]

You get the bootleg and a guy who can get the ball downfield. Rex's play lately hasn't justified taking out the offenses other staple play. Beck wouldn't have to do much to match if not exceed the play we've seen lately out of Rex.

Plus I am scared to death of Trent Cole getting pressure on Rex next week. Cole is playing at the same level as Dwight Freney during the mid to late 2000's.

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Grossman is a placeholder.
Beck could be a placeholder.
I'll go with the one that has a few wins this year.

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We're 3-1 and that's great -- that being said, Rex has played pretty badly and the defense has had to bail him out. Kyle's playcalling has been pretty suspect as well so both should be put under the microscope this bye week.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;843616]Actually it seems more like a fear of if Rex gets benched we can never go back to him. This isn't baseball people and like I've said since training camp, and many times today, the advantage of having two journey men QB's is you can bench one of them and not cause a huge S storm in the media. Sure we would love to have an actual franchise QB but the hand we got now gives us flexibility. I say we use it.[/quote]


Dumb idea, and who cares about the media.

I think it was Bill Parcells who said if you think you have two quarterbacks, you don't even have one...something like that. You don't switch QBs unless there is a reason. 3-1 going into they bye leading your division with a QB that has decent but not outstanding stats is a move that will lose the team and probably more games than not in the future.

Rex is our guy unless he gets hurt.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;843628]Grossman is a placeholder.
Beck could be a placeholder.
I'll go with the one that has a few wins this year.[/quote]

For once I agree with Alvin Walton.

I don't understand why people are suprised at Grossman's style of play so far. In the words of Jamie Dukes, he is what he is. You're gonna get some good, you're gonna get some bad. Right now Grossman has gotten us to 3-1. As long as we win games I don't see why he needs to be benched.

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This thread is redic. We r 3-1. One pick was on him. I hate fans like you.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;843582]Rex played bad last week and bad today, he is LUCKY we have a run game and a good D or we would b 1-3[/quote]

This^

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[quote=mooby;843637]For once I agree with Alvin Walton.

I don't understand why people are suprised at Grossman's style of play so far. In the words of Jamie Dukes, he is what he is. You're gonna get some good, you're gonna get some bad. Right now Grossman has gotten us to 3-1. As long as we win games I don't see why he needs to be benched.[/quote]

I think its a lot of curiosity. Seeing what Beck can do is what fuels me really. It's like alright, we see Rex, wonder what this other guy can do? I mean granted you shouldn't take a team with momentum and just totally change the dynamic, which is why I'm torn and think that a switch should only be a consideration during the bye week and something sitting in the coaches head's down the road in case inconsistency keeps up and not a knee jerk move.

Also starting Beck against a divisional foe next week would be a bad move anyway.

I think a lot of this is frustration (for me anyway), that I think this offense has the ability to really really be good and there's some missing piece and I can't figure out wtf.