Redskins and Vikings agree on McNabb trade (updated: deal is done)
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-vikings-redskins-agree-to-trade-only-if-mcnabb-agrees-to-contract/]Report: Vikings, Redskins agree to trade, only if McNabb agrees to contract | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Figured McNabb is worth his own thread, seeing that last year we thought we had our franchise QB

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I hope McNabb adjusts his contract so we can end half of this fiasco in washington

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[quote=skinsfaninok;813376]Figured McNabb is worth his own thread, [/quote]

No, he's not...lol

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Too bad he is not coming back for a year , with an o-line we could have been pretty good ( IMO ) .However getting some compensation is better than nothing , hope DM and the Vikings can work out a new deal .

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Oh now NC lol lets play nice

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Nothing in Donovan McNabb's previous behavior suggests that he is a mean or vindictive person.

Nonetheless, I wonder if he is tempted to draw this out for a while just to see the Shanahans twist in the wind a bit...

Wish I could read his mind now - - and Mike Shanahan's too if the Vikes/McNabb negotiations extend out over a couple of days...

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There is no reason for him not to redo his contract. If he doesn't, he has to wait until right before the season to get cut, and then he would probably sign with the Vikings anyway for less money, but he'll be way behind. He'll only be screwing himself if he doesn't redo his deal. But McNabb was never known for being smart...

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For a 5th and 7th? Get that deal done asap lol. Am I the only sitting here thinking next year we might be looking at using our first, Oakland's fourth, and possibly this 5th and 7th as trade bait to move up in the draft to get our qb next year? If that's their line of thinking I'm digging that. And also add whatever we might get for Haynesworth.

As far as sources for the 5th and 7th that I'm hearing, I just got that from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/42856-2011-redskins-free-agent-rumors-reports-9.html#post813346"]SS's post[/URL] in the Skins free agent thread.

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DM will talk to the other Qb starved teams to see what he is worth to them. Then make his decision. He needs to do what is best for him.
I don't think there is any animosity after this much time. There might have been 7 or 8 months ago, not now.

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The 5th and 7th is just speculation right now, nothing concrete

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Well, lets see. We acquired McNabb when he had "at least three good years left." That was a minimum. Signed him to a long term deal to be the QB of the future. We're willing to trade him a year later.

So knowing that he has at least two good years left, I really hope he brings a first round pick in return.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;813385]Nothing in Donovan McNabb's previous behavior suggests that he is a mean or vindictive person.

Nonetheless, I wonder if he is tempted to draw this out for a while just to see the Shanahans twist in the wind a bit...

Wish I could read his mind now - - and Mike Shanahan's too if the Vikes/McNabb negotiations extend out over a couple of days...[/quote]

Don't you think it would also be in his own best interest to get this done ASAP so he can move on and start getting up to speed with things in Minny?

Time is of the essence for everyone involved.

In the end DM isn't that kind of guy anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;813398]The 5th and 7th is just speculation right now, nothing concrete[/quote]

True, but I could see it being a 5th and 7th if a bidding war starts up between teams like Cincy/Miami/Minny.

Why don't they do what we did last year and make it a conditional offer. Say, a 5th if he has an average to below average season, a 4th if he has a decent season and hits certain escalators, or a 3rd if he has a Pro Bowl type season and exceeds everyone's expectations?

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[quote=mooby;813394]For a 5th and 7th? Get that deal done asap lol. Am I the only sitting here thinking next year we might be looking at using our first, Oakland's fourth, and possibly this 5th and 7th as trade bait to move up in the draft to get our qb next year? If that's their line of thinking I'm digging that. And also add whatever we might get for Haynesworth.

As far as sources for the 5th and 7th that I'm hearing, I just got that from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/42856-2011-redskins-free-agent-rumors-reports-9.html#post813346"]SS's post[/URL] in the Skins free agent thread.[/quote]Well, you can't move up in the 1st round on the backs of those three picks, but if there's a quarterback of second round value that fits your scheme, those three picks should be more than enough to position the team to get a second tier target.

And yeah, a 5 and a 7 for McNabb's contract is a bargain. It's not that friendly of a deal to the team that is acquiring it, unlike Haynesworth's. Which is why this hasn't gone through yet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;813407]Well, lets see. We acquired McNabb when he had "at least three good years left." That was a minimum. Signed him to a long term deal to be the QB of the future. We're willing to trade him a year later.

So knowing that he has at least two good years left, I really hope he brings a first round pick in return.[/quote]

Lol. A side of rice pilaf is more likely.

The Shanahan's really screwed this situation up, but I'm glad a good player and good guy gets to move on, and I'm glad we're getting something more than rice pilaf for him.

It's a shame it didn't work out. I would have been fun to have McNabb playing at a high level for us for a few years.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;813385]Nothing in Donovan McNabb's previous behavior suggests that he is a mean or vindictive person.

Nonetheless, I wonder if he is tempted to draw this out for a while just to see the Shanahans twist in the wind a bit...

Wish I could read his mind now - - and Mike Shanahan's too if the Vikes/McNabb negotiations extend out over a couple of days...[/quote]

Somebody brought it up in the other thread that he was willing to buy his way out of Washington, so don't see why he'd do that. However, we could **** him just as badly. We could wait till the end of pre-season and then drop him.


edited: thought smoot originally said this.

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[quote=GTripp0012;813416]Well, you can't move up in the 1st round on the backs of those three picks, but if there's a quarterback of second round value that fits your scheme, those three picks should be more than enough to position the team to get a second tier target.

And yeah, a 5 and a 7 for McNabb's contract is a bargain. It's not that friendly of a deal to the team that is acquiring it, unlike Haynesworth's. Which is why this hasn't gone through yet.[/quote]

How much did Jacksonville give us to move up 6 spots in the first? A 2nd and what else? Maybe if we threw in our 3rd and Oakland's 4th. Either way all this trading of our players for picks will only give us more ammo in next year's draft, which is a good thing.

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[quote=mooby;813422]How much did Jacksonville give us to move up 6 spots in the first? A 2nd and what else? Maybe if we threw in our 3rd and Oakland's 4th. Either way all this trading of our players for picks will only give us more ammo in next year's draft, which is a good thing.[/quote]Just the two.

Even if we were able to move up from 10 to 7, we still couldn't position ourselves to get a quarterback unless he was falling, and we already saw the falling QB scenario play out with Gabbert, and that we passed on him because taking him would have been counterproductive to rebuilding. Even though the value and need were more than there at no. 10.

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yeah, wonder what the tentative deal is.

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[quote=NC_Skins;813420]SMoot brought it up in the other thread that he was willing to buy his way out of Washington, so don't see why he'd do that. However, we could **** him just as badly. We could wait till the end of pre-season and then drop him.[/quote]The insanity of this whole thing is that all McNabb received when he and Fletcher Smith totally gave up his freedom to choose where he finished his career was a $3.5 million signing bonus. I'm not sure I buy the "he's willing to buy his freedom" card. His agent just sold it at a bargain basement price.

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[quote=NC_Skins;813420]SMoot brought it up in the other thread that he was willing to buy his way out of Washington, so don't see why he'd do that. However, we could **** him just as badly. We could wait till the end of pre-season and then drop him.[/quote]

Wait I said he was willing to buy his way out?

Anyhow, latest speculation has a conditional 3rd in 2013 coming to us, but I don't know if that's in addition to the 2012 picks, in addition to one of them, or instead of them

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[quote=SmootSmack;813451]Wait I said he was willing to buy his way out?[/quote]

Sorry about that SMoot. SOmebody mentioned it, but thought it was you. Cant' find it now. :(

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[quote=NC_Skins;813463]Sorry about that SMoot. SOmebody mentioned it, but thought it was you. Cant' find it now. :([/quote]

It was in an interview earlier this year.

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For the record, it's not official that he's going to Minnesota. There are other options still in play (namely Miami, but I suppose there are other options as well) Minnesota is the favorite, and would seem to be the place for which he'd be most amenable to restructuring his contract.

If he was traded to the Vikings and knowing the contract issues they face with Bernard Berrian and Chad Greenway, would you want either of those guys?

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Feckin A!
I'd take Greenway!

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[quote=mooby;813394]For a 5th and 7th? Get that deal done asap lol. Am I the only sitting here thinking next year we might be looking at using our first, [B]Oakland's fourth, and possibly this 5th and 7th as trade bait to move up in the draft to get our qb next year? [/B]If that's their line of thinking I'm digging that. And also add whatever we might get for Haynesworth.

As far as sources for the 5th and 7th that I'm hearing, I just got that from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/42856-2011-redskins-free-agent-rumors-reports-9.html#post813346"]SS's post[/URL] in the Skins free agent thread.[/quote]

No one in their right mind is going to take all those mid to low round picks and move up in the first round to take one of the top QB's next year.

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I don't understand Minnesota's front office. They're willing to part w/ draft picks for an old QB past his prime that's about to get cut? Why not wait til he's released? It's not like there's a large bidding war for McNabb's services.

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[quote=skinsfan69;813514]I don't understand Minnesota's front office. They're willing to part w/ draft picks for an old QB past his prime that's about to get cut? Why not wait til he's released? It's not like there's a large bidding war for McNabb's services.[/quote]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! dont ruin it

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[quote=skinsfan69;813513]No one in their right mind is going to take all those mid to low round picks and move up in the first round to take one of the top QB's next year.[/quote]

Even if we threw enough of them in? As long as the value matched up, or even if we threw a player in to sweeten the deal, there's no reason it couldn't happen. Doubtful but with all the crazy moves that happen in the NFL is it not possible altogether? I'm not saying we'd give them a 5th and a 7th to move up in the first, but it would certainly be reasonable to think they could make up part of the pot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;813514]I don't understand Minnesota's front office. They're willing to part w/ draft picks for an old QB past his prime that's about to get cut? Why not wait til he's released? It's not like there's a large bidding war for McNabb's services.[/quote]

Given that they just drafted Ponder, and given that there are several QB hungry teams, there is a good chance that Minn would not be McNabb's first choice on an open market. If they want to ensure that they get him, a trade makes sense.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;813514]I don't understand Minnesota's front office. They're willing to part w/ draft picks for an old QB past his prime that's about to get cut? Why not wait til he's released? It's not like there's a large bidding war for McNabb's services.[/QUOTE]

I think you might be underestimating the market for veteran QBs, especially when it comes to teams with rookie QBs.

How long should they wait for him to be released? We could hold him right up until the season starts. If Minny really wants him they're going to want to get him into their camp sooner rather than later.

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[quote=SmootSmack;813504]For the record, it's not official that he's going to Minnesota. There are other options still in play (namely Miami, but I suppose there are other options as well) Minnesota is the favorite, and would seem to be the place for which he'd be most amenable to restructuring his contract.

If he was traded to the Vikings and knowing the contract issues they face with Bernard Berrian and Chad Greenway, would you want either of those guys?[/quote]

I'd take Greenway, but where would he play? Is he suited for ILB in a 3-4?

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I am glad to see I am not the only one coveting Hawkeyes. ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;813504]For the record, it's not official that he's going to Minnesota. There are other options still in play (namely Miami, but I suppose there are other options as well) Minnesota is the favorite, and would seem to be the place for which he'd be most amenable to restructuring his contract.

If he was traded to the Vikings and knowing the contract issues they face with Bernard Berrian and Chad Greenway, would you want either of those guys?[/quote]

I agree with Mooby. If we feel like he's a fit as a 3-4 ILB, then heck yeah I'd take that guy. Him and Fletch inside with Kerrigan and Rak outside? Yes, please. We're gonna need someone to fill in for Fletch sooner rather than later anyway.

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I love me some Chad Greenway but at 242 lbs. he's a bit small for a 3-4 ILB.

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i heard at roto world the trade might not be as set as first believed.

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[quote=musicmaster45;813552]i heard at roto world the trade might not be as set as first believed.[/quote]The said Rotoworld report links to the following article as its source.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/]Report of Vikings trade for McNabb is premature | ProFootballTalk[/url]

In short, JLC gets owned again.

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Thanks portis getting links every time is a pain haha

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[quote=Mattyk;813525]I think you might be underestimating the market for veteran QBs, especially when it comes to teams with rookie QBs.

How long should they wait for him to be released? We could hold him right up until the season starts. If Minny really wants him they're going to want to get him into their camp sooner rather than later.[/quote]

I just think that they had Jackson sitting there, he's got game experience, why not just let him play instead of trading for McNabb? That way they keep the picks.... and to be honest, at this point, is there a big upgrade between McNabb and Jackson??