The Pre-season and the lockout.
 

So lets say the lockout drags on a bit more.
I keep hearing that the preseason will be affected if a deal isnt done by July 15th.
So does that mean just one preseason game? Can we have a season with just two or three preseason games?
If we drop a preseason game do we have to shorten the regular season?
Is there a drop dead date that will affect the regular season?
I'm not necessarily pestering everyone with questions, just looking for discussion on this....and I am quite curious how the schedule can/could be altered.

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Sure they could shorten the preseason without it impacting the regular season.

My opinion is a deal gets done in the next week. Some of the latest rumors seem to be hinting a deal is close.

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Really, the first casualty will be the Hall of Fame game. Which would be a big black mark on the whole thing, even though the HOF game usually blows.

Really, there could be three preseason games and nothing of consequence would change. It just makes it harder to evaluate talent in game situations and what guys u do and don't want to keep on the 53 man roster.

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I would imagine they have an idea as to how far they could shorten practice (probably 1 week), and then they most likely would start chopping preseason games, then chopping actual games. An interesting option I've heard is if they have to chop all preseason games then they might run the regular schedule allowing the teams to keep all their players until Oct. which then all teams would have to be down to the required number.

I think that would be cool because if your team is up by a nice margin, or loosing miserably then they could stick in the Rookies for a longer look in actual games. The only bad issue would be if all your games are close and you can't afford to throw them out there, then I guess the team would have to make some decisions.

If your looking for actual dates though July 15 is the first I've heard of so far which would effect preseason.

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[quote=NLC1054;809486]Really, the first casualty will be the Hall of Fame game. Which would be a big black mark on the whole thing, even though the HOF game usually blows.

Really, there could be three preseason games and nothing of consequence would change. It just makes it harder to evaluate talent in game situations and what guys u do and don't want to keep on the 53 man roster.[/quote]

Well, really the problem with losing preseason games is the hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue. Owners and players don't want to get out there to make sure everyone is healthy and ready to play the opener. It's really to get that money

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[quote=SmootSmack;809489]Well, really the problem with losing preseason games is the hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue. Owners and players don't want to get out there to make sure everyone is healthy and ready to play the opener. It's really to get that money[/quote]

Yep too much money at stake, which is why they'll get a deal done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;809489]Well, really the problem with losing preseason games is the hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue. Owners and players don't want to get out there to make sure everyone is healthy and ready to play the opener. It's really to get that money[/quote]

..Well I want to see the good in everyone and forget this whole thing is mostly about greed, so I'm going to ignore you and say my way is right.

:-)

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I got together with the "core" of our fantasy football league a couple weeks ago at a bbq...man we are chomping at the bit to secure a date for a draft. Preseason is kinda pivotal for us evaluating talent as well. A buddy of mine who blogs for a Raiders site said they were told them no way in hell owners are gonna just lose this year's preseason games, that the preferable action would be sliding the season back first before any cancelation of games.

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[quote=NLC1054;809492]..Well I want to see the good in everyone and forget this whole thing is mostly about greed, so I'm going to ignore you and say my way is right.

:-)[/quote]

Well, without preseason games the hot dog vendor doesn't get paid, the ushers don't get paid, the custodians don't get paid...so they're looking out for everyone :)

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[quote=NLC1054;809492]..Well I want to see the good in everyone and forget this whole thing is mostly about greed, so I'm going to ignore you and say my way is right.

:-)[/quote]

Funny how money and greed effect sport: in France this season a rugby club was taken several points in the standings because they hadn't enough money, and now we're talking about loosing nfl games because there's too much money

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[quote=Chico23231;809494]I got together with the "core" of our fantasy football league a couple weeks ago at a bbq...man we are chomping at the bit to secure a date for a draft. Preseason is kinda pivotal for us evaluating talent as well. A buddy of mine who blogs for a Raiders site said they were told them no way in hell owners are gonna just lose this year's preseason games, that the preferable action would be sliding the season back first before any cancelation of games.[/quote]

Slide the season back?
Hmmmm....that would be interesting.
I hope thats an avenue vs losing regular games.

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A deal will b done by mid July Imo

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[quote=skinsfaninok;809504]A deal will b done by mid July Imo[/quote]

We trust you to be correct...the addiction is becoming epidemic.

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According to the breakfast links on the NFC East blog on ESPN it comes out of the redskins park the lockout is ending sunday which he said was very believable.

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I say a deal gets done between tomorrow and july 13

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809582]I say a deal gets done between tomorrow and july 13[/quote]

Dude, you could be a psychic!

If it happens, you need to tell all of us who will be in the SB and who will win. Then I'm placing my bets. ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;809585]Dude, you could be a psychic!

If it happens, you need to [B]tell all of us who will be in the SB[/B] and who will win. Then I'm placing my bets. ;)[/quote]

A team from the NFC and a team from the AFC. LOL.

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[quote=SBXVII;809585]Dude, you could be a psychic!

If it happens, you need to tell all of us who will be in the SB and who will win. Then I'm placing my bets. ;)[/quote]

Ok smart ass thats a one week window right there I just gave you. Why don't you tell me then the exact date.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809599]Ok smart ass thats a one week window right there I just gave you. Why don't you tell me then the exact date.[/quote]

Well you really didn't try to back up your statement, so I don't see why a smart alec reply wouldn't have been expected. Heck, I would imagine there were more that weren't actually posted, but maybe not.

and for the record, I agree with you that now thru the 13th seems like when a deal needs to be done by.


(as for SBXVII's statement, it doesn't take a psychic to know that the Skins will win it all in this lockout year)

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Im guessing it will be friday or Sunday. Both make sense for a big anouncement like that

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-league/post/the-waiting-is-the-hardest-part/2010/12/20/gIQAHcRk0H_blog.html]The waiting is the hardest part - The League - The Washington Post[/url]

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Interested to see how the league fines Stainsworth after all the crap he pulled this year.

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So far no one has lost any money in this mess - - except for the legal fees both sides have incurred for the lawsuits. That may be a lot of money to all of us, but for the NFL and the NFLPA, that is chump-change.

Actually, the owners have saved some money so far by laying off team staff - - not paying them - - and by not incurring the expenses associated with OTAs and mini-camps. Amazingly, the owners as a whole probably are ahead of the game financially as of today.

If the first exhibition game has to be cancelled, then owners lose money AND players lose money because the revenues from exhibition games are part of what they are arguing about in terms of a split. If 2 exhibition games are cancelled, more money is lost.

When revenue is lost, people start to pay a lot more attention to the solution to the problem and not to the problem areas in some kind of theoretical construct.

Someone asked about a date beyond which the regular season will be affected. The regular season will start the week after Labor Day. Teams will need an absolute minimum of 10 days to assemble rosters by signing draftees and free agents and undrafted collegiate free agents. Then they will need at least 2 weeks of "camp" to be ready to put a product on the field that might resemble NFL football. If that is all they get, look for early season games to resemble high school games in terms of execution.

That minimum time comes to 24 days. Count back from the week after Labor Day and you have your "drop-dead date".

My [B]guess[/B] remains that a deal is done between 12 and 15 July and that camps will all be in session by 28-30 July and the regular season will start on time.

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There seems to be some general consensus apparently that missing the HOF game would not be all that devastating, beyond the PR implication. So that July 15 deadline we've been hearing could actually be a few days later.

They are so, so, close to a deal though. Only problem is they've been so close for so long. Let's see if tomorrow and Friday get us past the goal line.

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I hope Judge Boyle's vacation plans don't derail the talks (he's supposed to go on vacation on Saturday).


[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;809672]Interested to see how the league fines Stainsworth after all the crap he pulled this year.[/QUOTE]

Eh who cares (no offense).

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;809680]So far no one has lost any money in this mess - - except for the legal fees both sides have incurred for the lawsuits. That may be a lot of money to all of us, but for the NFL and the NFLPA, that is chump-change.
[/quote]

A lot of players have lost workout bonuses so far.

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Any word on how the negotiations are going, Smoots? I'm hoping to get this thing resolved by the weekend.

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You will have to try:
Red Rover, Red Rover, Send SmootSmack On Over...........

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[quote=mbedner3420;809850]Any word on how the negotiations are going, Smoots? I'm hoping to get this thing resolved by the weekend.[/quote]

Looks like they're settling down for a long night of talks tonight.

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[quote=SmootSmack;809496]Well, without preseason games the hot dog vendor doesn't get paid, the ushers don't get paid, the custodians don't get paid...so they're looking out for everyone :)[/quote]

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq5rLhjWU53o&ei=WlsWToiiF4THgAentvEp&usg=AFQjCNG27om8guvtXkRnQvNLjmsn1VdXvw&sig2=cfLHUMyeLReGRNiDmYWJhA]YouTube - ‪The NFL Lockout: The Biggest Losers Are the Little Guys, Not Players, Owners‬‏[/url]

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I found this and thought to share because it sounds promising...
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?348990-RealRedskins.com-Talk-of-CBA-resolution-this-week-at-Redskins-Park/page3"]RealRedskins.com: Talk of CBA resolution this week at Redskins Park[/URL]

[QUOTE]incarceratedbob **NFL BREAKING NEWS**Source: NFLPA (Former Players Assoc reps) have started alerting teammates 2get ready 2come back. NFL back in (1 Week)
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]incarceratedbob ESPN / NFL Network will break story next week "NFL IS BACK" late as usual.. Relax fans football is coming back (FA approx in 2weeks)
[/QUOTE]

It's about halfway down the page. Others have said they follow him (incarceratedbob)on twitter and he seems to be accurate.

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[quote=SBXVII;809857]I found this and thought to share because it sounds promising...
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?348990-RealRedskins.com-Talk-of-CBA-resolution-this-week-at-Redskins-Park/page3"]RealRedskins.com: Talk of CBA resolution this week at Redskins Park[/URL]





It's about halfway down the page. Others have said they follow him (incarceratedbob)on twitter and he seems to be accurate.[/quote]

What, what?! Bring on free agency!

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Incarcerated Bob's an interesting dude. I remember him ranting and raving when we got Bin Laden saying this was old news, that we killed him in 2005..but I digress,

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[url=http://sportsblognet.com/2010/10/22/for-those-who-believe-incarcerated-bob-is-a-credible-source/]For those who believe Incarcerated Bob is a credible source | Sports Blog Net: A Sports Blog Network - blog about baseball, football, basketball, hockey and everything else.[/url]

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The name "incarceratedbob" alone tells you that he is someone you should trust.

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Just about done for the day, think progress was made but not sure how much

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Aside from any lost revenue as a result of this protracted lockout, these are the guys who will suffer the most where the game itself is concerned. With limited time to impress the coaches and comprehend a complicated system true talents in some cases will not have enough time to be put on display.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/dont-expect-too-much-from-redskins-rookies-too-soon/2011/07/07/gIQAU1JR2H_blog.html]Don’t expect too much from Redskins’ rookies too soon - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;809879]Aside from any lost revenue as a result of this protracted lockout, these are the guys who will suffer the most where the game itself is concerned. With limited time to impress the coaches and comprehend a complicated system true talents in some cases will not have enough time to be put on display.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/dont-expect-too-much-from-redskins-rookies-too-soon/2011/07/07/gIQAU1JR2H_blog.html]Don’t expect too much from Redskins’ rookies too soon - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I would add to this that the quality of football is going to suffer as well, especially with teams that will have new coaches and a significant amount of new players (rookies, FA, etc., etc.).

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Not to mention that none of these rookies are signed yet.

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It's going to be an insane couple of weeks once this deal gets done.

I'm sure every team has a plan and is ready to dive in head first. There's probably going to be a lot of 16 hour days going on around the league to get free agents, drafted, & undrafted rookies signed.