Washington Wizards 2011-2012 Ongoing Thread
 

With the 2011 NBA Draft this Thursday I think we can start a new thread now

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Josh Smith anyone?

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[quote=FRPLG;807724]Josh Smith anyone?[/quote]

Hell naw... while I love his athleticism and blocking ability, the city of Atlanta's collective gasp before he chucked a long ball tells me no way.

Crossing my fingers that Kanter slips to 6, somehow. I'm on the fence about Vesely- haven't seen enough of him to say either way. The wild card is Jonas Valanciunas, who may not play for a year (but may be the best center prospect in the draft).

I still like Biyombo as a raw, defensive presence... he's projected anywhere from 5 to 19, so hopefully we could steal him at 18.

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[quote=itvnetop;807769]Hell naw... while I love his athleticism and blocking ability, the city of Atlanta's collective gasp before he chucked a long ball tells me no way.

Crossing my fingers that Kanter slips to 6, somehow. I'm on the fence about Vesely- haven't seen enough of him to say either way. The wild card is Jonas Valanciunas, who may not play for a year (but may be the best center prospect in the draft).

I still like Biyombo as a raw, defensive presence... he's projected anywhere from 5 to 19, so hopefully we could steal him at 18.[/quote]

Thoughts on the 6th and 18th to 3rd for Kanter rumor?

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They seem to really like Jordan Hamilton at 8 if he's there and they stay at 16

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[quote=SmootSmack;807776]Thoughts on the 6th and 18th to 3rd for Kanter rumor?[/quote]

He's a third pick? Stay with what they got and go big at 6th and SF at 18 or SF with both picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;807779]He's a third pick? Stay with what they got and go big at 6th and SF at 18 or SF with both picks.[/quote]

Agreed. Right now I just can't see that Kanter is worth moving up for. I know a lot of people are intrigued by his potential but I'm not prepared to take that risk

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[quote=SmootSmack;807776]Thoughts on the 6th and 18th to 3rd for Kanter rumor?[/quote]

I'd do it with the understanding that we may be losing out on a solid role player at 18 (Faried/will grit my teeth if Biyombo drops to that spot). But I'm of the belief that in the NBA, the team that comes out with the best player usually ends up the winner. I've been sold on Kanter for a while now and I'll be happy if we come out of the draft with him.

And I don't see a reason why EG won't try to trade back into the first round if we lose the 18. If we are interested in trading, I say wait until Thursday night to see what shakes out early. Kanter may even drop to 6, depending on what happens with the point guards and Toronto's interest in Vesely.

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I'm scared to death of drafting Vesely, however... from what I've read, the dude shoots 44% from the line (where his strength will be getting to the rim) and can't rebound for a man his size. The only video I've seen of him is full of dunks. He may be able to run with Wall, but it just sounds too much like Yi. However, Yi didn't win Euro player of the year...

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DS hope you're somewhere listening.....

So don’t worry, I won’t be making the picks. I know that will allay many folks that have concerns about owners that meddle although I do think it is the height of irony to admit I can’t make the picks but to see so many comments from fans on which we should pick.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/ted-leonsis-wont-provide-input-on-wizards-picks/2011/06/21/AG5DWceH_blog.html]Ted Leonsis won’t provide input on Wizards’ picks - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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I don't know. On one hand it stops teams like the Lakers from fielding a $90 million payroll, and teams get to keep star players when they're "over the cap", but on the other hand it doesn't do anything to stop small market exodus which has gotten out of hand.
After offering a $45 million hard cap the past few months — an offer steadfastly rejected by the Players Association — Stern called the league’s new proposal a “flex cap’’ that would set a median salary cap at $62 million and eliminate the large disparity in spending among teams.

[quote]This past season, the Los Angeles Lakers had the league’s highest payroll at $91 million, while the Sacramento Kings spent a league-low $44 million. The owners want to implement an “NHL-type’’ system, according to deputy commissioner Adam Silver, one that would allow teams to exceed the $62 million cap but would also place the financial onus on the players if the average payroll of all 30 teams exceeded $62 million.[/quote]

And of course Chris Paul is against it. "Man I have to join Carmelo and Amare in New York. How the hell can they afford me with this FLEX CAP? Man makes me want to chase my brother around with a knife again like when we were kids."


Joke Reference:
[quote]7:54 – New Orleans happily grabs Chris Paul with the fourth pick, partly because he's the best player in the draft, partly because he's one of four people in this draft who could handle playing in New Orleans. "He will be the mayor of New Orleans!" Vitale screams. "Trust me! He will be the king of New Orleans!" Translation: He's going to hand out more beads than assists.

[B]Meanwhile, Paul's brother CJ fondly remembers all the fights they had when they were kids – including the time Chris pulled a knife on him [/B]– adding, "it was all out of love, it was all out of love." Gotcha. CJ also reveals that he's going to live with Chris and serve as his manager and personal assistant. I can't believe he was available.[/quote]

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[quote=itvnetop;807783][B]I'm scared to death of drafting Vesely[/B], however... from what I've read, the dude shoots 44% from the line (where his strength will be getting to the rim) and can't rebound for a man his size. The only video I've seen of him is full of dunks. He may be able to run with Wall, but it just sounds too much like Yi. However, Yi didn't win Euro player of the year...[/quote]

Im generally scared to death any foreign player. The game is very different over there. Too me Vesely is a horrible pick at 6th, then again I really dont see a "safe" pick at 6th, everyone has a question mark. Our second pick in the first I would easily stand behind Chris Singleton outta FSU, defensive standout.

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Any chance Jimmer Fredette falls to the Bullets because he's white? :D



He and Wall would be a great duo.

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[quote=Chico23231;807815]Im generally scared to death any foreign player. The game is very different over there. Too me Vesely is a horrible pick at 6th, then again I really dont see a "safe" pick at 6th, everyone has a question mark. Our second pick in the first I would easily stand behind Chris Singleton outta FSU, defensive standout.[/quote]

What about Leonard at 6?

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[quote=SmootSmack;807851]What about Leonard at 6?[/quote]

I like what I read, never seen the kid play. Heard defensively strong with great size, smart, goes to the basket well. Heard has a hard time catching and shooting and cant hit NBA 3 consistantly which at the SF position he will have to do eventually. I like his potential, but really unsure. I hate to be that guy, but if brendon knight is there at 6 we should give a long look.

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[quote=FRPLG;807724]Josh Smith anyone?[/quote]

I would send our 6th and Blanche in a heartbeat. This is one of the type of players we need. Physical and an effing banger inside. Strong defensively who can net 15-16 pts. I think this guy would help the development of Javale McGee. Would be a good combo inside. I didnt like him playing so high in the playoffs, but when he is around the basketball he the type of player that demands attention on both ends of the court from the other team. Josh Smith wont come here, but he is the type of player we need.

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Good. As much as I would like the number 2 pick McGee should be off limits unless of course an absurd trade offer comes along.
[QUOTE]So the Wolves, according to sources, continue to explore other trade options with the No. 2 selection, such as a proposal to Washington that the Wizards have steadfastly declined, in which Minnesota has tried to acquire JaVale McGee and the No. 6 pick for the No. 2 pick.
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[quote=Chico23231;807815]Im generally scared to death any foreign player. The game is very different over there. Too me Vesely is a horrible pick at 6th, then again I really dont see a "safe" pick at 6th, everyone has a question mark. Our second pick in the first I would easily stand behind Chris Singleton outta FSU, defensive standout.[/quote]

Singleton is a beast... I think he'll be gone earlier than our second pick, however.

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T-wolves are now telling teams they're taking Kanter... may be a smoke screen to drum up their asking price with us. Kanter is a better fit for them, however... they don't need a PG and are pretty anchored at the forward slots.

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So Derrick Williams at 3 to Utah?

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[quote=SmootSmack;807977]So Derrick Williams at 3 to Utah?[/quote]

They already had trouble with one D. Williams. Why would they want another one?

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_minnesota_firing_kurt_rambis_062211]Sources: Timberwolves to fire Rambis - NBA - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Crazy timing. Was it last year when Paul Allen fired the Blazers GM on the eve of the draft?

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[quote=SmootSmack;807982][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_minnesota_firing_kurt_rambis_062211]Sources: Timberwolves to fire Rambis - NBA - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Crazy timing. Was it last year when Paul Allen fired the Blazers GM on the eve of the draft?[/quote]

Yup... in Portland's case, it was friction with ownership over draft philosophy. Portland's lost two very capable GMs.

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[quote=itvnetop;807993]Yup... in Portland's case, it was friction with ownership over draft philosophy. Portland's lost two very capable GMs.[/quote]

Yup. It's funny, in NFL circles Paul Allen is known as a very hands-off, great to work for owner. But in NBA circles he's one of the least liked. Considered impulsive, micromanaging, gets too involved in personnel decisions.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807994]Yup. It's funny, in NFL circles Paul Allen is known as a very hands-off, great to work for owner. But in NBA circles he's one of the least liked. Considered impulsive, micromanaging, gets too involved in personnel decisions.[/quote]

That's so weird... why do you think it is? Do you think he knows more hoops than pigskin?

Latest rumors have Utah taking Kanter at 3... not sure if they like Brandon Knight's style of play (although personally, I like him more than Irving). Then they can take their hometown boy at 12.

Looking more and more like Vesely to DC (boo).

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[quote=SmootSmack;807977]So Derrick Williams at 3 to Utah?[/quote]

I'm thinking Minny's just messing with Washington. Reports are Williams was pretty ridiculous in individual workouts and they're willing to take the talent over need (even with teams not interested in Beasley).

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Screw coming to America. If thats the atmosphere in Europe I think I would rather play in Europe. Most of the NBA is empty arenas. By the by, this is a great break down.
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I can see why they like him. A 6'11 guy that moves like a 6'7 6'8 guy and plays with energy is an intriguing combination. No team would be able to go small against the Wiz with him and McGee on the floor. Also looks like he has the potential to develop a shot. At the very least he's going to run the floor with Wall on the fast break.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807982][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_minnesota_firing_kurt_rambis_062211]Sources: Timberwolves to fire Rambis - NBA - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Crazy timing. Was it last year when Paul Allen fired the Blazers GM on the eve of the draft?[/quote]

Minnesota has a horrible FO. Im talking Vinny/Danny horrible.

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[quote=itvnetop;808004]That's so weird... why do you think it is? Do you think he knows more hoops than pigskin?

Latest rumors have Utah taking Kanter at 3... not sure if they like Brandon Knight's style of play (although personally, I like him more than Irving). Then they can take their hometown boy at 12.

Looking more and more like Vesely to DC (boo).[/quote]

Well I think he has a bit more of a passion for hoops than pigskin, and studies the game more. Like any owner, he has made decisions that override his staff. But he's always been pretty methodical and involves several people (including people outside the organization allegedly), but I guess it's only recently that he's taken on more of an impulsive, my way or the high way type of approach. Maybe he feels the window is closing on the Blazers?

Draft is going to get pretty interesting after Minnesota at 2. Could see a lot of trades.

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[quote=itvnetop;808004]That's so weird... why do you think it is? Do you think he knows more hoops than pigskin?

Latest rumors have Utah taking Kanter at 3... not sure if they like Brandon Knight's style of play (although personally, I like him more than Irving). Then they can take their hometown boy at 12.

Looking more and more like Vesely to DC (boo).[/quote]

Would you take Vesely or Valanciunas...or Val Kilmer

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My cabbie this morning was saying Cleavland should take Williams, since he is a taller talent and there will be a bunch of Gs at 4 for Cleavland's 2nd pick. He was also suggesting that Irving may be available at 4 because Twolves and Jazz wouldnt draft a G. Not sure about that but interesting thought.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6696381]Sport Science: Kawhi Leonard - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

It seems the Cavs will take Irving, and I'm all about taking a PG high. But is Irving that great that they can't take a chance on him being there at #4?

And...Cleavland? Really Hoo?

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[quote=SmootSmack;808018]Would you take Vesely or Valanciunas...or Val Kilmer[/quote]

Please let Vesley fall to us. Even if that shot doesn't develop he'll still end up as one of the better defenders in the league. He'll be a Jokim Noah for us and thats invaluable.

I just think he brings more to the table then Valancunas.

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Bu they're also still talking with Minnesota and Utah about a 3 team deal that would get them Kanter at 3

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[quote=SmootSmack;808162]Bu they're also still talking with Minnesota and Utah about a 3 team deal that would get them Kanter at 3[/quote]

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Are you saying you can out inside information me? I'm an MVP!

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LOL. Wasn't my inside info. Saw it on NBADraft.net

That said...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/does-wizards-nba-draft-invite-provide-clue-to-pick/2011/06/23/AGnoFthH_blog.html]Does Wizards’ NBA draft invite provide clue to pick? - Wizards Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;808018]Would you take Vesely or Valanciunas...or Val Kilmer[/quote]

I'll take Val Kilmer circa Real Genius, ftw!

And I'd def. take Valanciunas over Vesely. But I think the Cavs are grabbing him at 4. They're also going to use their trade exception to get an extra lottery pick somewhere... which team wants to unload salary?

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Atlanta dangling J-Smith to Minny... to grab Kanter at 2?

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Vesely's the favorite. I still think Leonard is a possibility though if they stay at 6