Redskins coaches support owners in lockout
 

[quote]The Redskins released a statement signed by all 17 of the team's assistant coaches. The statement was a response to a court brief in support of the players filed Wednesday by the NFL Coaches Association.

"We stand united with our ownership, and the brief does not reflect our thoughts on the matter," the statement said. "We, like everyone else, are hopeful that we can return to playing football. We look forward to a new (collective bargaining agreement), and welcoming back our players as soon as possible."[/quote]



Read more: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/05/26/redskins-nfl-lockout.ap/index.html#ixzz1NWZdf0on]Redskins coaches support owners in labor standoff - NFL - SI.com[/url]

What a bunch of brown nosing weenies.

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Was in the lockout thread, but good idea to put this in its own thread.

I don't really have an opinion on it. I side with the players so I suppose it would be nice if the coaches did to. But they have to do what they feel is best.

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I wouldn't publicly speak out against my boss either, not the best career move. I wouldn't put it past Snyder to hold a grudge if a few of the coaches were openly supporting the players cause. Either way, I want football. I'm tired of the back and forth, the delays, the continuances and etc. They need to get back to what matters most, the fans. Without us, football is a dead sport.
What do you think would happen if the fans held our own lockout and didn't come to the games and such? I know they would black them out on T.V., but how long could they last without us?

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Side note, isn't that kinda what happened with baseball?

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[quote=SmootSmack;804731]Was in the lockout thread, but good idea to put this in its own thread.

I don't really have an opinion on it. I side with the players so I suppose it would be nice if the coaches did to. But they have to do what they feel is best.[/quote]

wow.....I agree but it makes me think what cuased them to do this,I mean no other team did ,magically I mean they just happen to have all the ac's together to do this ...or just decided to call everyone of them up and ask?

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[quote=hagams;804741]I wouldn't publicly speak out against my boss either, not the best career move. I wouldn't put it past Snyder to hold a grudge if a few of the coaches were openly supporting the players cause. Either way, I want football. I'm tired of the back and forth, the delays, the continuances and etc. They need to get back to what matters most, the fans. Without us, football is a dead sport.
What do you think would happen if the fans held our own lockout and didn't come to the games and such? I know they would black them out on T.V., but how long could they last without us?[/quote]

Good post!

Lost in all of this bickering is the fact, the game belongs to the fans. Many fans are angry that the most important element of the game has been put on hold.

It's only natural for coaches to support their source of income....yet to the contrary the players will support the coaches.

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[quote=hagams;804741]I wouldn't publicly speak out against my boss either, not the best career move. [/quote]

Yup even if they might agree with the players the owners sign the checks and coaches generally have to play the "Company man" game

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[quote=Giantone;804743]wow.....I agree but it makes me think what cuased them to do this,I mean no other team did ,magically I mean they just happen to have all the ac's together to do this ...or just decided to call everyone of them up and ask?[/quote]


That was my first thought. It has to be Snyders doing right?

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If anyone is interested, here's the brief

[url]http://assets.espn.go.com/preview/coachesbrief.pdf[/url]

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I tend to think MS was key to this, not necessarily getting them to voice there opinion one way or the other, but to making it an all or nothing deal, in order to keep both DS and/or the players from being able to pin it on one or two coaches.

Smootsmack, have the Redskins employees, coaches et al had any layoffs or furlough days? I don't recall seeiing anything about that.

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Not as far as I know. It's interesting that in the brief, Shanahan is mentioned as one of the coaches who may suffer from a prolonged lockout

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[quote=Jontrem;804754]Yup even if they might agree with the players the owners sign the checks and coaches generally have to play the "Company man" game[/quote]

Not a good idea to speak out against your boss, but it's also not a good idea to speak out against people whom you need to perform for you in order for you to please your boss. I'm just absolutely confounded over why the coaches would get involved in this matter.

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Not sure what all this means nor do I really care. Wake me up when the lockout is over.

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[quote=Coff;804786]Not a good idea to speak out against your boss, but it's also not a good idea to speak out against people whom you need to perform for you in order for you to please your boss. I'm just absolutely confounded over why the coaches would get involved in this matter.[/quote]

My thoughts.... it makes no sense

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[quote=Coff;804786]Not a good idea to speak out against your boss, but it's also not a good idea to speak out against people whom you need to perform for you in order for you to please your boss. I'm just absolutely confounded over why the coaches would get involved in this matter.[/quote]

Well the players are already speaking out against their bosses so this is nothing new. Coaches are already being negatively affected by the lockout since it is cutting into offseason preparation, which will result in poor team performance thus affecting their job security for coaches.

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[quote=SmootSmack;804783]Not as far as I know. It's interesting that in the brief, Shanahan is mentioned as one of the coaches who may suffer from a prolonged lockout[/quote]

Reading an article on this I assumed our coaches only said something to clear the air b/c the brief cited damages to 8 new head coashes and 3 head coaches who have been retained for only 1 year (that includes shanahan).

I think our coaches said something to correct any misinterpretaiton that the skins coaching staff supports or was involved with the brief since the coaches association implicitly cited to the skins coaches when in actuality, the skins coaches were never contacted or conferred with re. the brief.

Geez, you would think they would have contacted the skins coaching staff before they pretty mich put their name on it.

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That's the best explanation I've yet heard OTM

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I haven't read the brief yet, but on its face I was dissappointed to read the Burgundy and Gold coaches aren't together with the other coaches in the NFL in supprt of the of the players.

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I'd side with the person who signs my check.

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[quote=firstdown;804842]I'd side with the person who signs my check.[/quote]

Only an idiot wouldnt.

The way I heard it explained today on NFL Radio is this was the coaches not taking sides, but simply speaking out against the lockout in general. Apparently there was some miscommunication between the association and the Skins and the Skins may have jumped the gun a bit by issuing their statement without fully understanding the intent of the brief.


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[quote=firstdown;804842]I'd side with the person who signs my check.[/quote]


[quote=irish;804854]Only an idiot wouldnt.[/quote]

I find it ironic that average people would turn the other cheek or side with a person if they were being paid, YET are the same ones that bitch when their representatives and senators do the same thing. Guess what, don't bitch at politicians for siding(aka..voting) for special interests or corporate tax breaks. They too are being paid by them. I don't want to go off topic with this, but the above mindset is also mind boggling. It's one thing to side with the owners if you actually take their stance, it's another thing to take their stance soley for the fact you are being paid. If I were a coach, I would stay the **** out of it regardless if I were being paid or not.

Now, what the Redskins coaching staff has done is alienate the players and chosen a side. Pretty ****ing stupid imo.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/27/nflca-chief-i-didnt-do-a-good-job-at-communicating/]NFLCA chief: “I didn’t do a good job at communicating” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;804777]That was my first thought. It has to be Snyders doing right?[/quote]

nope never said it or implied it !

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[quote=NC_Skins;804872]I find it ironic that the average people would turn the other cheek or side with a person if they were being paid, YET are the same ones that bitch when their representatives and senators do the same thing. Guess what, don't bitch at politicians for siding(aka..voting) for special interests or corporate tax breaks. They too are being paid by them. I don't want to go off topic with this, but the above mindset is also mind boggling. It's one thing to side with the owners if you actually take their stance, it's another thing to take their stance soley for the fact you are being paid. If I were a coach, I would stay the **** out of it regardless if I were being paid or not.

Now, what the Redskins coaching staff has done is alienate the players and chosen a side. Pretty ****ing stupid imo.[/quote]

Brilliant post!

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Curiousity questions,

Did the Skins and Saints coaches let their position be known to the courts? If not, then the distancing statements wouldn't really affect the amicus brief, right? So what difference does it make in the long run?

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I think they did it out of fear for their jobs.

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[quote=firstdown;804842]I'd side with the person who signs my check.[/quote]

**** that.

The "power of money" mentality in this society is alarming.

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[quote=Mattyk;804859]The way I heard it explained today on NFL Radio is this was the coaches not taking sides, but simply speaking out against the lockout in general. Apparently there was some miscommunication between the association and the Skins and the Skins may have jumped the gun a bit by issuing their statement without fully understanding the intent of the brief.


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[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/5/26/2192021/nfl-lockout-washington-redskins-coaches-brief]Washington Redskins Coaches Renounce Themselves From Coaches' Brief Supporting Players In NFL Lockout - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;804921][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/5/26/2192021/nfl-lockout-washington-redskins-coaches-brief]Washington Redskins Coaches Renounce Themselves From Coaches' Brief Supporting Players In NFL Lockout - SB Nation DC[/url][/quote]

Um, thanks? What did you post this again for?

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[quote=SmootSmack;804930]Um, thanks? What did you post this again for?[/quote]

Sorry...didn't know it already had been.

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Did you guys take a moment and read the comments? I found this one to be interesting...

[QUOTE]willycents says:
May 27, 2011 6:46 PM
Who the Hell is Larry Kennan? Oh, I see. He is listed as executive director of the NFLCA. However, he is also listed (by lead411.com) as “Dir. Staff” at NFLPlayers.com and his email address includes the site nflplayers.com
Could it be he is a paid employee of the players association? Just a paid shill for the players perhaps? The NFLCA just lost all possible credibility since their director is an employee of the players association.

just type Larry Kennan in your bing bar and see what the hits are.
[/QUOTE]

From what I see he's the Executive Director at the NFL Players Association

[QUOTE]Larry Kennan People named Larry Kennan
Title and Company:
Executive Director at Nfl Players Association
[/QUOTE]

I wonder who there is a coach acting as the Executive Director at the NFL Owners Association? and what briefs he plans to file? Perhaps a brief requesting the lockout stay in place?

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No wonder Larry filed the brief requesting the lockout end.... he's sitting in the NFLPA headquarters listening everyday to the players drival.

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[quote=Longtimefan;804932]Sorry...didn't know it already had been.[/quote]

Not this specific link, but the story was (in the first post of the thread I believe). Sorry, wasn't trying to be difficult. I just wasn't sure if maybe there was some new information in your link you were referencing

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[quote=SmootSmack;804938]Not this specific link, but the story was (in the first post of the thread I believe). Sorry, wasn't trying to be difficult. I just wasn't sure if maybe there was some new information in your link you were referencing[/quote]

I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.....to distance one's self and to renounce is one and the same. At first glance I was under te impression the link provided a revised information. This lockout is beginning to take it's toll. lol

[QUOTE=wilsowilso;804909]**** that.

The "power of money" mentality in this society is alarming.[/QUOTE]

So easy so say but hard to walk the walk when your paycheck goes towards loans, mortgages, family, etc.

If you felt you could lose your job, you wouldn't agree with your employer? There are different ways to go about making your opinion heard. Putting your job on the line doesn't have to go hand in hand with that.

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[quote=hooskins;804988]So easy so say but hard to walk the walk when your paycheck goes towards loans, mortgages, family, etc.

If you felt you could lose your job, you wouldn't agree with your employer? There are different ways to go about making your opinion heard. Putting your job on the line doesn't have to go hand in hand with that.[/quote]


Absolutely not. If I thought my boss was wrong, I wouldn't side with him regardless. Doesn't mean I would speak publicly about it either. I would just stay out of it. You know, some people value their principle more than money. Just saying.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;804990]Absolutely not. If I thought my boss was wrong, I wouldn't side with him regardless. Doesn't mean I would speak publicly about it either. I would just stay out of it. You know, some people value their principle more than money. Just saying.[/QUOTE]

Obviously. But the NFLCA released a statement citing Shanahan as a coach who would suffer. IMO, MS had to release something.

What you are saying is a level of agreement as well. Saying nothing says a lot.

And I'm not saying we should all be yes-men, but using your head doesn't hurt(well I guess it does for some).

Not getting involved would be a smart move, that wasn't an option in this scenario.

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[quote=hooskins;804991]Obviously. But the NFLCA released a statement citing Shanahan as a coach who would suffer. IMO, MS had to release something.

What you are saying is a level of agreement as well. Saying nothing says a lot.[/quote]

I understand Shanny's reaction in this because he's part of management. However, having all of the Redskins coaching staff sign this was stupid. Very stupid. Now, the NFLCA should have contacted the Redskins which was very stupid of them. Now the Redskins coaching staff has chosen a side and it happens to be against the guys they want trust from. NOT a smart move.