Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Donovan Mcnabb is on the way out ... he would get way too much money if he stayed another season and didn't show enough to be kept around. Rex is technically a free agent and next in line is John Beck who has been on 3 teams in 4 years. We didn't really improve the OL through the draft focusing more on getting 3-4 defense players and WRs/RBs.

What's the move? veteran QB coming in, Rex Grossman resigned, or John Beck thrown into the mix against he NFC east defenses?

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Without a proper "league beginning".
Who the fox knows?
All bets are off until normalacy returns.

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I think we bring in a guy like vince young or alex smith to compete with beck and grossman for the starting nod. Assuming they are anything short of brilliant, I believe that we we give up what we need to in order to get our guy next year whether it be Luck, Barkley, or anyone else who emerges next year. Our draft to build our defensive depth along with a bunch of fliers at the skill positions has enabled us to have some trial and error this season, and have a chance to experience at least a rams-esque turnaround the year after with our guy. Our priorities next year should be QB QB, OT, CB, and ILB.

But to answer your question, unless Beck works his way into the role from camp, and uses the opportunity to breakout and look like something he never has before, I dont see him as the 2011 starter.

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We shall see what he can do first...until then we have two father quarterbacks in front of him.

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Andrew Luck, we're on our way...

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That is moronic if Kiper is right about us wanting Beck to start, but I think you are going to see a push for a McNabb for Palmer trade here soon once the lockout crap is taken care of.

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This is the way I see it...

No matter who we bring in "new" they will need time to learn the terminology and plays as well as connecting with the WR's. So as of right now we can all pretty much agree McNabb will be gone or atleast more then likely. We technically still could keep McNabb but the big question is have they worked out their differences? probably not.

Either the team resignes Grossman who knows the system inside and out for another year, or they hope Beck has learned enough to take over the reigns, or they go with someone totally new who will take (yet again) more time to learn the system.

I'd prefer to simply resign Grossman and see what Beck has learned during preseason since Beck was supposedly Shanahan's favorite and wanted to draft him when he was coming out of college. If Beck lives up to his billing then lets start Beck with Grossman as back up. If were stuck with Grossman then next year we can sign another QB from the draft unless one from this year gets cut.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;799970]Donovan Mcnabb is on the way out ... he would get way too much money if he stayed another season and didn't show enough to be kept around. Rex is technically a free agent and next in line is John Beck who has been on 3 teams in 4 years. We didn't really improve the OL through the draft focusing more on getting 3-4 defense players and WRs/RBs.

What's the move? veteran QB coming in, Rex Grossman resigned, or John Beck thrown into the mix against he NFC east defenses?[/quote]

Mr Palmer for Mr McNabb, plus a pick.

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I say that because for the simple fact that Beck isn't the answer at QB and shouldn't be on the team at all. In fact, I predict in 2012 his ass is gone. We won't get Luck, but we could a couple mid rounders like Persa or a SEC QB.

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One thing is for sure. Whatever QB we have will be the one that gives us the best opportunity to win.

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I can't believe that I am saying this but...Vince Young.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;799984]That is moronic if Kiper is right about us wanting Beck to start, but I think you are going to see a push for a McNabb for Palmer trade here soon once the lockout crap is taken care of.[/quote]

Umm, why would we trade one washed up QB for another?

I can't stand the idea of Vince Young even being considered for our QB position. I was against McNabb also but could understand the concept because MS has gone to a SB with an aged QB. Vince Young on the other hand has no desirable traits. Often injured, throws tempertantrums, hooked on prescription drugs. Ok he may have quit using the drugs but should we tempt fate? Plus he really wasn't all that great. I actually felt kinda sorry for the Titans when they had him.

Between the two I'd take Alex Smith 100x out of a 100. Atleast he's coachable, doesn't use drugs (that we know of), and didn't suck too bad.

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Bring back Grossman. The INTs are aggravating but he was fairly prolific in those last five games last season.

He definitely won't win us any Super Bowls but at least he'll give the young WRs we just drafted a chance to develop.

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[quote=SBXVII;799985]This is the way I see it...

No matter who we bring in "new" they will need time to learn the terminology and plays as well as connecting with the WR's. So as of right now we can all pretty much agree McNabb will be gone or atleast more then likely. We technically still could keep McNabb but the big question is have they worked out their differences? probably not.

Either the team resignes Grossman who knows the system inside and out for another year, or they hope Beck has learned enough to take over the reigns, or they go with someone totally new who will take (yet again) more time to learn the system.

I'd prefer to simply resign Grossman and see what Beck has learned during preseason since Beck was supposedly Shanahan's favorite and wanted to draft him when he was coming out of college. If Beck lives up to his billing then lets start Beck with Grossman as back up. If were stuck with Grossman then next year we can sign another QB from the draft unless one from this year gets cut.[/quote]

Resign Grossman and pick up Palmer, then draft a youngster or two in 2012.

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[quote=SBXVII;799996]Umm, why would we trade one washed up QB for another?

I can't stand the idea of Vince Young even being considered for our QB position. I was against McNabb also but could understand the concept because MS has gone to a SB with an aged QB. Vince Young on the other hand has no desirable traits. Often injured, throws tempertantrums, hooked on prescription drugs. Ok he may have quit using the drugs but should we tempt fate? Plus he really wasn't all that great. I actually felt kinda sorry for the Titans when they had him.

Between the two I'd take Alex Smith 100x out of a 100. Atleast he's coachable, doesn't use drugs (that we know of), and didn't suck too bad.[/quote]


I would applaud an Alex Smith acquisition. In fact, that is probably deal #2 for Shanny, if not deal #1 to settle the starting QB issue. I don't think Palmer is washed up though. The Bengals just plain stink.

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[quote=Schneed10;799997]Bring back Grossman. The INTs are aggravating but he was fairly prolific in those last five games last season.

He definitely won't win us any Super Bowls but at least he'll give the young WRs we just drafted a chance to develop.[/quote]

If we can get a couple of FA O-line types who can do some business...AND if our additions to the WR/RB stable pan out, Rex will look much improved (although probably not SB MVP material).

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Another thing is the maybe, just maybe, McNabb and Shanny have patched things up for now. I just can't fathom us leaning on Beck to start. The guy is lucky to be still in the NFL.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;799989]I say that because for the simple fact that Beck isn't the answer at QB and shouldn't be on the team at all. In fact, I predict in 2012 his ass is gone. We won't get Luck, but we could a couple mid rounders like Persa or a SEC QB.[/quote]

According to Mike Shanahan:
[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2011/04/30/shanahan-endorses-beck-beck-determined-to-win-job/]Shanahan endorses Beck; Beck determined to win job - Redskins Journal[/url]
[quote]
“When he came out [of BYU] in 2007, you evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and he was by far my No. 1 guy,” Shanahan said Saturday evening. “I think the world of him, but I’m not going to get into detail.”
Shanahan said he ranked Beck ahead of even No. 1 pick JaMarcus Russell that year. Those are strong words.[/quote]

Another aticle but it's a good article;
[url=http://www7.rtsports.com/football-news/1000073684]RealTime Fantasy Sports - Redskins' Shanahan passes on QB, then praises Beck[/url]

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I am sorry, if this kid was anything special, he would not have been on 3 teams in what 5 years? I also want a young stud to hopefully be our franchise guy for over a decade like Joey T. I realize that that will be very hard to accomplish, but Beck isn't going to get us anywhere. A major trade is in the works once the lockout is over. You have two vets in Palmer and Smith that can come in and do the job. Beck is a smokescreen for what is coming. Once the lockout is cleaned up, we will be hit with news of a monster trade or the acquisition of Smith.

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Also....

[QUOTE]``You're not going to address everything through the draft,'' Shanahan said. ``I can't share our whole game plan with you now, but we do have a plan.''[/QUOTE]

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OL and QB will be addressed when Free Agency starts. Maybe Beck under Shanahans tutelage can blosom, he was solid in college to be selected in the 2nd round. Another possibility is trading McNabb and fat shit for VY.

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BYU QBs have sucked post Steve Young. THe NCAA teams adjusted to the air it out style teams and BYU went down a notch since Boscoe left. BYU plays in a rather weak conference, even when they change conferences. That is why BYU QBs haven't faired well in the NFL since Young. Shoot my uncle's '82 Buckeye team beat BYU led by Young 47-17 in the '82 Holiday Bowl. I think the Bucks picked him of like 4 times, and the '82 team wasn't the best defensive wise either.

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I believe Matt Light and Logan Mankins are FA available.

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[quote=SBXVII;800009]Also....[/quote]


Exactly. Shanny expressed his belief in Beck's abilities since he couldn't give up a major part of the plan. He can't come out and say that we are going for Smith, Palmer, etc, as that might tip off other teams. Beck is a nice guy I am sure, but he isn't a starter.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;800008]I am sorry, if this kid was anything special, he would not have been on 3 teams in what 5 years? I also want a young stud to hopefully be our franchise guy for over a decade like Joey T. I realize that that will be very hard to accomplish, but Beck isn't going to get us anywhere. A major trade is in the works once the lockout is over. You have two vets in Palmer and Smith that can come in and do the job. Beck is a smokescreen for what is coming. Once the lockout is cleaned up, we will be hit with news of a monster trade or the acquisition of Smith.[/quote]

I just felt the need to point out that apparently Joey T failed to get drafted and was forced to go to Canada because he was looked at as not being "good enough" prior to the Skins picking him up from the Torronto Argonauts. He was there for 3 yrs before the Skins hired him to be the "punt returner." It took 4 yrs before he became the starting QB.

So maybe with any luck the Skins might have something in Beck that none of us have seen yet. A QB needs to be in the right place with the right situation at the right time, or Beck might be a dud. I know what your saying and I agree with you but I would like to think MS knows what he's looking for in a QB that will do well in his system. Just because Beck has not done well in other situations doesn't mean he can't do well in this one. Remember also Bret Favre was considered a dud by the Falcons and traded him away to the Packers.

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Well we've talked this off-season that the Redskins do like Beck, but that doesn't mean he's their guy. I really thought they should draft a QB and then re-sign Grossman or bring in some vet like Hasselbeck for a year.

I don't know quite what they see in Beck and he's 30 years old so how patient can they be with him?

Disappointing that two years in a row they haven't taken a QB

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Maybe they are waiting for next year when Luck and Barkley will be available, thinking they have a chance at either one.

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I'm not sure what ones are restricted but here's the list...
[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html]2011 NFL Free Agents[/url]

Hasselbeck
Smith
Grossman

seem like the best deals of them all, and out of the 3 I'd rather go younger with Smith but he will take time to learn the system where as Grossman already knows the system. So I'd almost rather keep Grossman another year and next yr draft our future QB.

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I'd rather give Chris Simms a shot vs. Vince Young. Chris Simms anyone? He played in Tampa under Gruden so he knows the WCO.

Edit: [url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php]2011 NFL Free Agents[/url]

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Now that we passed entirely on a Quarterback this year, it seems almost inevitable that we draft our quarterback in the first or second round next year. The guys who seem to be gaining the most hype as potential first rounders next year are Luck and Barkley as well as Nick Foles and Landry Jones.

Luck obviously would be ideal situation number one, but otherwise, what do people know about the other guys and how they could potentially fit into our system.

Barkley reminds me of Clausen or Leinhart from what I have seen, and appears like a potential bust. Foles looks like a statue when he throws and comes from the spread offense. Jones apparently needs to work on his mechanics.

Lets hope for luck at this point.

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[quote=SBXVII;800014]I just felt the need to point out that apparently Joey T failed to get drafted and was forced to go to Canada because he was looked at as not being "good enough" prior to the Skins picking him up from the Torronto Argonauts. He was there for 3 yrs before the Skins hired him to be the "punt returner." It took 4 yrs before he became the starting QB.

So maybe with any luck the Skins might have something in Beck that none of us have seen yet. A QB needs to be in the right place with the right situation at the right time, or Beck might be a dud. I know what your saying and I agree with you but I would like to think MS knows what he's looking for in a QB that will do well in his system. Just because Beck has not done well in other situations doesn't mean he can't do well in this one. Remember also Bret Favre was considered a dud by the Falcons and traded him away to the Packers.[/quote]


I can be way off base about Beck, but he doeesn't come off likie a starter to me. I still think this is all smoke for a big move in the works.

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[quote=Schneed10;799997]Bring back Grossman. The INTs are aggravating but he was fairly prolific in those last five games last season.

He definitely won't win us any Super Bowls but at least he'll give the young WRs we just drafted a chance to develop.[/quote]

I could totally hold my nose and live with Grossman. If he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7, I could live with that.

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This is interesting...
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f92334/article/even-with-ponder-in-mix-vikes-appear-destined-to-add-mcnabb?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Even with Ponder in mix, Vikes appear destined to add McNabb[/url]

Vikes still interested in McNabb.

Maybe it's hellacious wishfull thinking but what if....

The Vikes still want McNabb and were willing to pick up Ponder for our coaching staff in order to trade for McNabb and possibly our next yrs 2nd round pick? or god forbid one of the drafted players we took for the Vikes combined with McNabb to trade for Ponder?

It's way out there I know. But wouldn't it be weird if both teams came up with some concocted trade idea for later when teams are able to trade. I'm not sure what we would have drafted that the Vikes would have needed or would have requested we drafted for them to trade with McNabb, but I think it's funny MS said they have a plan at the QB position.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;800013]Exactly. Shanny expressed his belief in Beck's abilities since he couldn't give up a major part of the plan. He can't come out and say that we are going for Smith, Palmer, etc, as that might tip off other teams. Beck is a nice guy I am sure, but he isn't a starter.[/quote]

I mentioned this in the draft thread.....

Beck is a victim of circumstance. The very same set of circumstances that beset so many young QB's including those that teams reached for in this draft. Coming out of college his numbers were comparable to any member of the 2011 QB draft class. He was thrust into action before he was ready and it stunted his growth. The coach likes him...traded for him. It's difficult to have a difinitive opinion of a QB with only five games started as a rookie on his resume.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;800008]I am sorry, if this kid was anything special, he would not have been on 3 teams in what 5 years? I also want a young stud to hopefully be our franchise guy for over a decade like Joey T. I realize that that will be very hard to accomplish, but Beck isn't going to get us anywhere. A major trade is in the works once the lockout is over. You have two vets in Palmer and Smith that can come in and do the job. Beck is a smokescreen for what is coming. Once the lockout is cleaned up, we will be hit with news of a monster trade or the acquisition of Smith.[/quote]

Yeah, what type of quality QB has to go to multiple teams before finding a home? Please, like anyone has ever done anything like that.
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[quote=SBXVII;800029]This is interesting...
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f92334/article/even-with-ponder-in-mix-vikes-appear-destined-to-add-mcnabb?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Even with Ponder in mix, Vikes appear destined to add McNabb[/url]

Vikes still interested in McNabb.

Maybe it's hellacious wishfull thinking but what if....

The Vikes still want McNabb and were willing to pick up Ponder for our coaching staff in order to trade for McNabb and possibly our next yrs 2nd round pick? or god forbid one of the drafted players we took for the Vikes combined with McNabb to trade for Ponder?

It's way out there I know. But wouldn't it be weird if both teams came up with some concocted trade idea for later when teams are able to trade. I'm not sure what we would have drafted that the Vikes would have needed or would have requested we drafted for them to trade with McNabb, but I think it's funny MS said they have a plan at the QB position.[/quote]

When it was rumored we'd be lucky to get a 4th for mcnabb I don't see any chance at all with this idea and hope we don't either. Ponder is not worth the money he's gonna be getting much less for us to also lose a 2nd pick next year on the guy.

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[quote=diehard;799980]Andrew Luck, we're on our way...[/quote]

Put it this way. In our worst years under Snyder, Spurrier year 2 and Zorn year 2, the highest draft pick we ever got was 4th overall. We got 10th overall this past year despite have the 31st ranked defense in the league and the 30th ranked rushing attack. Sure spending money on free agents and stuff won't win you championships but it'll also prevent you from getting the number 1 pick.

Also look at the Cardinals. They had Derrick Anderson, John Skelton, and Max Hall as their QB's and that was still only bad enough for the 5th pick.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;800032]Yeah, what type of quality QB has to go to multiple teams before finding a home? Please, like anyone has ever done anything like that.
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or [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=GAN296635]Rich Gannon, QB at NFL.com[/url]

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I'm not saying their HOF QB's but the Vikes have;
Rhett Bomar; 6-2, 225lbs, 1yr exp at 25y/o.
[url=http://www.vikings.com/team/roster/Rhett-Bomar/cc834bcd-63a9-4704-9cee-d5a9dd031fac]Minnesota Vikings: Rhett Bomar[/url]

Joe Webb; 6-4, 220lbs, 0 yrs exp at 24y/o.
[url=http://www.vikings.com/team/roster/Joe-Webb/8e7f0478-6122-4945-8024-5adee19307a5]Minnesota Vikings: Joe Webb[/url]

Again I'm not saying they are great but they do have 2 young QB's who have good size. I could see them wanting McNabb to help with the developement of the two they already have and the whole Ponder pick was to be used in a trade for McNabb.

I know I'm just wishfull thinking. But it would be pretty cool if it was.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;800035]or [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=GAN296635]Rich Gannon, QB at NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Maybe we should have drafted Delvin. Apparently this Deleware is QB U.